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All I know is that I have more fun when I act impulsively, so I tend to put myself in situations where I will. All I want to do is have as much fun as possible before my short life is over, and music, alcohol, and human contact, sexual or not, all allow me to have a lot of fun.

Actually, I'm all for sex before marriage, but only in the right situation. I guess I didn't say that clearly earlier. Hooking up with girls makes me feel guilty. Imagine how guilty I'd feel if I actually slept with some girl I picked up. But if I was in a comfortable, committed relationship, I'd go for it.

So many things I want to say, but then I would not be "mature" by stating such religious gobbldy-gook.


Don't worry, you stated it: "If proper precautions are taken, sex before marriage is perfectly safe. This is, however, different from indiscriminate sex with many partners, which can lead to the quick transfer of venereal diseases."

Hey Nozomu, did you understand this?

I believe its a very important point to realize.

P.S. If anyone sees any sarcasm in my post at 9:42 PM, I wasn't trying to use any insults or sarcasm at all. Techincally, I could say "looking like I was sarcastic was a bonus", but I didn't want it at all.

You're right, logic can't explain everything. For example, logic doesn't make me as happy as acting on impulse, so I abandon it when I feel the situation warrants such a blatant disregard for it (such as when I fall for a girl or whatever). Everyone has the right to act illogically - it's part of being human. But persuading others to act illogically is a whole different matter. That's what bothers me most about religion. It tells you how to live your life. I can make up a system of my own that is equally illogical and yet allows me to enjoy myself a hell of a lot more than if I was concerned about "values" and such. So I do, and I don't make any apologies for it. However, I would never try to push it on other people. Unless they ask my opinion. If they do that, they deserve what they get.

That's an interesting hypothesis about Christians, and I agree with you. Emotions tend to push logic from the picture, and faith in Christianity is no exception to such a well-documented part of human nature. I think all the Christians here can agree on that, as well. FireKame, for instance, told us straight up in the Faith vs Logic thread that she isn't solely reliant on logic to form her conclusions about religion.

What do the rest of you guys think? Does intense emotion cloud your judgement? I know it clouds mine. Do you think that you have deluded yourself in some way in the past because you felt strongly about something? I know I have. Hmm... Maybe this should also be a new topic. Sorry to bring religion back into this, guys, but this is probably one of the few facets of it that we haven't discussed thoroughly. Not to say that your answer to this question should be pertinent to religion. It can be any part of your life.

What's all this talk about 'preserves?'

Is this another American euphemism, like how 'husky' means 'clothes for the quite fat?'

I have feeling that 'preserve' means 'contraception' or 'condom.' I could be wrong - why don't you say something as it is? It isn't like anyone will take offence at something so mild.

Errr this has really no meaning. It's like calling you a boy, a guy or a man. It's all the same.

I don't see how you see "preserve" as a "special" word that only nerds should use. Everyone says that over here...

I don't.

And please, stop basing your facts over a partially-fictional book. It's not like heaven or hell is a place, it's a feeling. At least that's how I now interpret it. Hell is like when you couldn't finish what you started, when you've done something bad and feel all bad about it, that's the suffering. If you've done nothing bad, basically you feel heaven(Or you're "in heaven"), you don't feel bad about anything you've done, etc.

I would only have sex before marriage in a situation where I feel I could live my life out with this person. Given the fact that I am a teenage male, nearing the legal age of consent in my state, I think about sex once in a while. I have not actaully had sex yet, though, and since I might some time soon my opinion might change.

Why not... Your just gonna have sex when you get married....Why wait?

Hahah thats pretty ironic Nozomu, because that has nothing to do with what I was trying to show, YET what you're saying is 100% true!!!
I've been trying to tell my fellow Christians that you shouldn't believe on 100% faith, because that's just plain stupidity. Paul, one of the great Christian leaders after Jesus's death and was formally a zealous Christian-persecutor, wanted us to inspect the Bible to make sure what he was saying was true. There is nothing you take 100% faith in because its sheer stupidity, so why do that with God?

What I was actually trying to state was that even though you realized what you were saying about being with the right person and feelings were subjective, you didn't want people to rule out the possibility of sex before marriage.

I was using
chr = christians. I was using your own anology to show the relationship was mankind and the right person, God. Sometimes logic can't explain everything. Usually, this "joy" comes first; you just know its right. Of course, emotions are deceiving, and after the "blind faith" dissolves (if it dissolves), you think logically if God truly exists.
This was the important statement I tried to show you because emotions do say something; not always the right thing, but they do say SOMEthing, and they also fit your own train of thought about life. I think its interesting what you thought I was showing, yet you brought up a point JUST AS IMPORTANT!!!! Good job!

I never said it was a nerd word - it's just a stupid word... a euphemism. It's a typical American euphemism at that.

The Nazis did it too when they were talking about the Final Solution. They weren't killing the Jews, they were 'liquidating' them (Not trying to draw a comparison, I'm just saying that many people do/did it). Euphemisms are good in some circumstances, like when you're taking the piss, but they're silly really.

Saying 'Put a preserve on before having sex and you wont get her pregnant' over here would be like saying 'Put a jar of apricot jam on before having sex and you wont get her pregnant.'

Apricot preserve is not a fruit-flavoured condom, you see - it would be a type of jam here. That's why using the word to mean contraception sounds silly to a British person.

It sounds like it's skirting the issue as well. Like politicians do.

You cant get married in a Catholic chruch unless you are Catholic...

90% sure!!

[center]What is it illegal or something if you're not?[/center]

he he he sex

lol just kidding DT u rule dude

anyway i'm not married, and yes.....i have had sex
not a memory that i like to remember but it's not bad, but it's also not good

it could strength your relationship but it could also break it apart

No, it's not illegal, but a lot of crotchety old conservative Bible-thumping politicians wish it was.

God (if he exists) would wish it was too and that more people believed in him, but that's the other edge of the double-eded sword of free will.

Well, I'm not about to jump into the whole religion debate. My reasons for not having sex before marriage are much more simple and it doesn't involve religion in anyway:

1) I have a fiancee, so give us time.
2) I... just don't want it.
3) Neither does she.

Plain. Simple.

Is this topic actually appropiate for SE.net.
I don't argue with the "serious discussion"...
BUT HONESTLY people...
For a starcraft based site...
I think this is just too much...
No matter how serious a forum may or may not get...

If you don't want to discuss it, don't post in this forum. Simple as that.

and...1 2 3 Back on topic! xD

*verbal warning*

The Bible said after mariage ....the sex!
Before is "fornication" same to "SIN"....

Sure, we'll give u time

And why dont u guys want it?? It's the best feeling in the world!


This is absolutely appropriate for SEN, i've seen much much more grotesque and inappropriate threads/polls flourish our forums. Infact, this thread is rated G, not PG or PG-13.

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But back on topic...

Sex before marriage is pretty much strongly discouraged because:
1) To some people, it's a sin
2) You can get her pregnant
3) You guys would lose ur virginity
4) You can get STDs
5) Ruin yalls relationship
6) Get punished by ur parents like BeeR_KeG[eM] (cuz they found out)

Didn't you all see the map 'Kerrigan Has Sex With Duke'? Even SC characters do it before marriage.

No i have not..... I heard it was just a tank dancing with some soudns and Oh look jim joins in...

LOL, that map sounds hilarious!

But seriously, I'm Catholic, and such a thing is a sin in our eyes; that doesn't mean we don't do it, because part of being Catholic is that the church makes sure you always feel riddled with guilt.

But I am one of the young adults in our church that say "no" to sex before marriage.

So in summery:

1. Sin
2. Keep it simple until marriage
3. Feel better about yourself
4. Gives you time to do stuff productive

There's my two cents.

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