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Sorry, I think that the athiests are going to hell.

They can't be satan worshippers...they have to believe in a satan first. That's a bad rep that Wiccans get too...

They're like normal people. I don't care about religous affliation too much, except in special cases. Like when someone is attacking me for being a christian like someone did yesterday...(I got angry at him).

Anyways, I'd like to think of myself to be tolerant of conflicting beliefs. I just think you're going to hell. Which is depressing...

The thing is, one person does not represent the whole life span of the Earth, one person lives about 70 years and dies. You aren't going to be alive when the end of the world comes. So you aren't going to experience it. You want life to be good while You are alive so that You can enjoy it. Understand? You aren't immortal.


Jehova's witnesses, proof you are a hypocrite, someday the world will come to destruction with only the good people spared, which is, Ding Ding, NO ONE.



You are a maniac and chaos has nothing to do with the creation of the Earth, maybe in some religion, you have your facts twisted.

Well if you ask me, if Evolutionism is true, I would rather believe that SOMETHING caused something than that NOTHING caused something(thats absurd!), since an infinite past can't exist because it would take an infinite amount of "time" to get up to today, but here we are, at today! So it takes more faith to believe in spontaneous generation (nothing caused something) than maybe random chaos or chance (natural law caused something).

Umm.. so you're agreeing with me that sine you have such a short life you should enjoy it by any means? I know I'm not gonna be alive when the end of the world comes, but whats your point?



Why do atheists always put things out of context? I'm saying that IF evolution is true. I'm not stating it IS.

I never bashed logic; I merely stated it will just lead to a dead end, just like atheists claim that Christianity will lead to a dead end.
What are you talking about: "hurting others isn't ok?" Where are you getting these sense of morals! Morals weren't created by evolution because it's an abstract concept, and certainly materialism doesn't explain morals because morals are not tangible things. What is the weight of hate? What molecules cause murder? Those questions are absurd because they're out of context questions, like what color is math? Now then, HOW CAN MORALS EXIST! Well, if there's a moral law, there's a moral law giver (principle of uniformity), but that would be stating that there is some being that gave us this law!! But no! We ruled out in advance;Given: evolution is right, so MORALS CAN'T EXIST!

Where are you getting all this bull about "sinners"? Are you saying deep down you believe that some outer being exists? The only way sinners can exist if there is a right and wrong, but we can only get right and wrong from a moral law, and can only get a Moral law from a Moral Law Giver!!!

Of course killing is ok, BECAUSE MORALS DON'T EXIST! What's this respect thing??? Respect is an opinion: I like vanilla, you like chocolate; so why should we respect anyways WE ONLY EXIST FOR SO LONG!!! Respect is just not logical or efficient. Let's go kill some people in Canada! yay!!!



Oh, I wonder why??? Maybe it's because "religion" HAS EXISTED 500X YEARS LONGER THAN ATHEISTS HAVE THERE BEEN ON THE COURSE OF THIS EARTH, AND THERE ARE MULTIPLES OF MILLIONS IF NOT BILLIONS MORE PEOPLE IN RELIGIONS IN ALL HUMANITY THAN ATHEISTS!!! ITS CALLED RATIOS YOU IMBECILE!

AND ALSO WHEN THERE IS DIFFERENCE IN OPINION THERE IS CONFLICT!!! ALL RELIGIONS TOGETHER IS VERY DIVERSE WHILE ATHEISM IS NOT!!

Now, who was it that wanted a stereotype of an athiest?
That's one.

You know, I try hard to learn about other religons...I've been offered to go to a Jewish service before, and I've gone to a channukah party and stuff. "wasting your time on prayer and church" is a harsh over generalization.

Now that's a stereotype I used to have; all athiest were irrational and made over generalizations about Christianity.

Another stereotype that I've gotten over is the non-affliated member confusing himself as an atheist. I have learned there is a difference between simply not having a religon and being atheist. I know in technicality that's what an atheist is, but I don't like that blanket statement; atheist implies to me that you've at least looked into other religons (not necessarily with the intentions of joining.)

Assuming that this isn't a joke (I think it is but meh)...


The part in red has nothing to do with evolution.
The rest makes perfect sense.
What's your problem?

Now, you see, this is where your post really goes to hell. Just because there isn't a god doesn't mean that life is pointless. Can you please try to explain how any of this is connected?

Atheism has no stand on how the universe was created (or if it was created. If god can have always existed, why can't the universe?). And the babies thing just confused me... were you talking about abortion? If you were then what the hell man? You aren't killing a babe by having an abortion you're killing a fetus (and it's debatable weather you can even consider fetuses to be alive in the first place).

EDIT:

Aren't you the same guy who asked how to make fire?

Thats the thing about religions and science both, you can't prove anything, right or wrong. It is simply how you believe everything works. Even if some rare event happens that seemingly proves one belief to be correct; it would be influenced by the veiws of the people who believe in it.

Atheists simply do not believe in god, many of you talk as if they don't believe in anything. Many Buddhists are Atheist. I just feel like it might have needed clearing up.

I'm ok with them as long as they don't bitch about saying "under god" in america's national anthem. Or bitching about having the 10 commandments outside government buildings. Thats just stupid, I frankly like saying under god and seeing the 10 commandments, gives me a sense of pride to live in such a good country (country as whole, I know people hate Bush but Im talking about the country) and I don't want 200 hundred years of heritage ruined by some people you bitch about having to say 2 words and such. (just using 10 commandments as example+"under god" thing, there probably alot mo issues)

What does under god and the ten commandments have to do with the nation? It has to do with religion, and if people don't wish to say that then just let them not do it, There is a whole thing right now to see if that should be taken out of the national anthem because of religion.

The "Under God" statement was added in the 1950s, so it's not hundreds of years of culture. If you want nonsecular culture, try going to a church. But don't force your holy texts on anyone else.

"Under God" was added to make america appear more anti-communist.

so? what ever, its still apart of our nation's history, and u get my point becuase its simple

Your point is to call atheistic people B*tches for refusing to sing a part of the national anthem.

No, they ain't bitches, I just don't like it when they complain/bitch (same thang to me) about curtain things that have to do with religion in our country, you can bitch about something but still be cool--just becuase you bitch(verbaly wise) doesn't mean your a bitch(as in person/character) and if I do remember correctly when I visited washington d.c. there was the ten commandments in/out of many important government buildings, bu that was when I was 11 so its hard fo me to remember but I know it thurr.

As an atheist, I'll say how I feel about Christains, Jews, and other religions.

EVERY religion has people who most "normal" people who label bad, or even evil. Same goes for atheists. Christianity had Hitler. Atheism had Stalin. There are people who are just plain assholes on both sides. Similarily, there are those who are very kind and nice. To me, it doesn't matter whether you are religious or not, but whether you are kind at heart. Your religion is your own choice. As long as you don't force your views onto others, I have no problem with it.

Now, I do have to note that I have argued with somebody on the subject of religion. This person is a guy at school who does try to impose his view of religion (Christianity) on others. I do not take it kindly when he keeps on telling me that I'm going to hell for doing something sinful (mainly swearing or something like that). And the fact that he's a hypocrite, and doesn't know his own religion well (come on, even I know the story of Samson), and generally, an asshole.

On the otherside, I do know of an atheist who's an asshole as well. He argues about everything possible, politics, games, reliion, food, heck, even th colour of the sky once ('twas amusing). Heck, sometimes I think he's arguing for the sake of arguing. As you can imagine, he gets into arguements very easily.

So, does it matter to me whether or not you're an atheist? No, as being religious does not make you any different. If you're an asshole, it won't matter to me if you believe in a religion or not - you're still an asshole. If you're a nice person, it wouldn't matter to me if you believe in a religion or not - you're still a nice person.

lol...christian nutcase thought I was a heathen for not liking the christian rock radio station.

she tried to convert me.

granted...I get a lot of crap from my atheist friends too. but she was just ammusing.

OK THIS IS MY POINT!!!!!! They are OK/ i know some and they are tight!!!!! BUt I don't like it when they complain about stuff like "under god" in our government and such(and other examples too!!!) PERIOD, end of story, no mo debating with me I'm tired cuase I just got back from lacrosse practice and the coach ran us soo much, this one fat long-pole defencemen threw-up, it was sick hahaha.

Yes, often, fanatics are quite...amusing. But then again, they can be quite...fanatical. Just look at the crusades. Then again, it can be said that they are amsuing a well. Just...scary that people would go that far.

Side note:
Hey, that's the convo I had with you in your sig!

EDIT: this was intended to go right after Firekame's post

This shouldn't be too difficult... or should it?


Define atheist.

Now I don't want some dictionary bullsh, I want your definition.

Well, let's see... whats the #1 stereotyped reason that atheists make of Christian's reason for believing in a fantasy.. oh hmm... maybe it has to do with that we can't get over ourselves and realize that there is no point to the universe? Even Yoshi spouted this answer in an earlier thread.





Atheists are quite an interesting breed... oh wait.. we're talking about the person themselves? There's not a difference between humans. God commanded Christians to love others. People must love the person, not their thoughts or actions. I may think the atheists are in err, but they are humans just the same.

Edit: An atheist is a person who does not believe in God. Usually, atheists go to science as their shelter, but a few go to religions that do not associate with creation of the earth. They study their arguments thoroughly and speak usually with an arrogant authoritative attitude. The most likely reason for this arrogance is that because they've inspected the same information so many times that has its natural bias against intelligent design and rules it out in advance, their self-esteem peaks and turns into arrogance. Oddly enough, Christians are not noted for this tendency of arrogance, although they probably study books that have a natural bias against evolution and other religions as well. Most atheists have some sort of obstinance when it comes to talking about creation because it seems they wish to ignore that gap even though you are supposed to get the most logical conclusion that fits ALL of the data. They also have a learned reluctance to think that everything they do takes a bit of faith, and mask it by using terms such as 'Repeated forsenic observation' and 'inference'. In essence, atheists (whom believe in evolution) take as much faith if not more in believing of macroevolution, because fossils don't give accurate readings of similarity of species and that there is no recorded evidence of macroevolution, as Christians do in believing that an eternal, extremely powerful, personal being created the earth and part of it came down in form of a human named Jesus and defeated evil by resurrecting from the dead.

Edit#2: Fixed it for ya Spaceboy... I forgot to put a /quote for Chill's first quote.

Edit#3: Ugh.. why did they HAVE to take away the Karma?? .. I would've been rich by this quote (>.<).

What's that got to do with your arguement. It weakens it substantially.

That's what I don't get, another stereotype; atheists like to throw the bible back in our face even though they don't believe in it anyways.

what is up with that?

Hmm...somebody who does not believe in the concept of (a) supreme being(s).

EDIT: Mr Kirby, that was one of the most confusing posts I've ever read. PLEASE fix the quotes.

EDIT2: Thanks man! Much more legible.

Oh, thats a standard logic argument; It's where you find something that contradicts itself to prove it wrong.

Edit: For your first sentence; that wasn't an argument.. that was actually the only part on topic. Notice the topic name: "Feelings Towards Atheists"

That's why I included that; it is separate from the logic.

rhetoric or something?

so are you saying I don't love other people because I'm Christian?
or are you saying I should because God said so. But if you do something because a superior being said so you obviously wouldn't be atheist.

harsh over generalization again.

Umm.. I never said that.. because 1) Personal attacks is a logical fallacy and 2) I haven't said anything about you. I always heard that women search for the meaning of the text spoken, but I'm a Kirby; I type what I mean.



Well didn't Jesus say to "love others?"



Yep, so are you saying that you're an atheist? I should have made a ------- bar above and below the text. It is separated from the logic piece because they are two separate trains of thought.




Not meaning to pun, but you're being too general on what you mean by generalizataion: what part am I generalizing on?

How about human rights? Almost EVERY society, no matter what god, deity, person, thing (for a lack of a better word - don't take offense in this) they worshipped, killing was considered immoral. Theft is considered immoral. "Don't do to others what you would not want yourself" applies to many religions as well. If it applies to so many different religions, with many different ideas of (a) supreme being(s), wouldn't it be logical to think that these are traits generally accepted by all? Do we need religion to tell us how to be moral?