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Report, edit, etc...Posted by ScrollMaker on 2005-03-10 at 22:03:16
How do you feel about athiests? Are they the anti-christ, sinners, average joes, annoying, good fellows, or what?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-03-10 at 22:06:53
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sinners

You can only "sin" in a religion, so you are not sinning if you don't believe in sinning at all.
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Are they the anti-christ

No they are anti-religion.
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average joes

Depends on if thier name is Joe. wink.gif
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annoying, good fellows,

It depends on the Athiest.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Nozomu on 2005-03-10 at 22:07:18
I think they're just people, and should be judged by their personalities, not by their religious beliefs, just like anyone else.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2005-03-10 at 22:23:02
You can be atheist and not show it at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ScrollMaker on 2005-03-10 at 22:27:12
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You can be atheist and not show it at all.

But how do you feel about them?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-03-10 at 22:31:22
Is it okay if I stereotype, just like they stereotype Christians?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LegacyWeapon on 2005-03-10 at 23:30:29
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But how do you feel about them?
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I don't mind, it's their own decision. Usually it depends on how the other person views them. If an extremely religious person sees an atheist, they might think that person is bad. So I guess it depends on the person who is viewing the atheist.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-03-10 at 23:32:07
How do i feel about atheists?


The same way i do with anyone else. Normal people that have the right to their own actions/beliefs
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ScrollMaker on 2005-03-11 at 00:00:44
QUOTE(Neiji @ Mar 10 2005, 10:31 PM)
Is it okay if I stereotype, just like they stereotype Christians?

Go for it. What are some atheist stereotypes?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-03-11 at 00:04:06
I'm not too partial to those atheistic, anarchist, people. You probably know the ones, rebelling against everything. From those of them who I know, they seem to not know what they are standing for, and they seem pretty unhappy.
Atheists in general, I like, they make up most of everyone I know.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2005-03-11 at 00:07:37
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atheistic, anarchist

Two totally different things.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-03-11 at 00:10:52
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Go for it. What are some atheist stereotypes?
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Stereotypes?


Hopeless ones, destined to hell, unsaved, corrupted-by-satan people, selfish, mundane, logical, firm, strong, anti-REligion, etc...


(This doesn't mean they're true or what i personally think of them or nething.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-03-11 at 00:54:36
Well, I almost all the people I know to be atheist, I respect, but the same could be said for people I know to be Christian or what-not to, so, no opinion.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-03-11 at 01:10:51
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atheistic, anarchist


Two totally different things.

I know this, but they said that stereotypes are allowed, this is one stereotype I have seen.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-03-11 at 02:30:52
Well uh.. this is rather odd Rantent, because in a way Atheist and anarchist are related when I think about it. No, I'm not saying that atheists want to destroy the government and have total chaos reign. (even IF they believe that total chaos created existance) From my knowledge, none of them want to promote the destruction of order. Instead, the philosophy of evolution (because that is the main choice of atheists, since belief in ignorance is an agnostic) somewhat represents anarchy.

Think of evolution for a moment: something just poofed into existance, and then by forces of nature and mutations this "something" changed/evolved into different branches, which we call Animalia, Plantae, Archaebacteria, Eubacteria, Protista, and Fungi. Or, if you think of it as domains: Eukarya, Archaea, and Eubacteria. So knowing this, we have exactly the same amount of relevance to exist, but just in different forms since God does not exist. Then of course, the question arises: what is the point of anything? There is no point! With this, Science is irrelevant, logic is irrelevant, facts are irrelevant; where are they going to lead us in the end? Nowhere! With this mob attitude, we should just party hardy, rape, steal, plunder, do whatever we want; we're only here for a while right? What's the point of the government? Nothing! It just ruins our fun!
We must have order for a better life you say? We were created by chaos, so we should live according to it! All life is about chaos!!! Eat, drink, and be merry! Killing babies is wrong? Not a chance! And why stop at babies??? We're all equally worthless; let's kill for the amusement!

So you see, atheism (or, more specifically, the main belief of atheism: evolution) links to anarchy (Latin meaning- archy = rule, an = against: anarchy = against rule)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ianvo on 2005-03-11 at 07:50:29
Well, Mr.Kirby, 'tis quite an interesting viewpoint on it, well-said.

I don't have a problem with Atheists at all... well, most. I have a problem with those trying to shove down everyone's throats that there is no God. I get a problem with anyone who tries to do that with anything.

Personally, I grew up as a Catholic (SEVERE Catholic) and I was taught to hate people like Atheists and all the other "enemy" people. When I turned 15, I realized that... y'know, it's a load of crap and hypocrisy. Not religion or Catholicism, but the fact that everything I heard in that church was preaching forgiveness, love for one another, and all this great stuff. Then, later on, we decide to hate atheists, homosexuals, people who have sex before marriage, the list goes on.

So... yeah, I don't have a problem with atheists at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by AqoTrooper on 2005-03-11 at 08:00:08
Ok...

Reading the posts above made me feel lonely, am I really the only Athiest here??
By my 'religion', jewdaism, I should be a Jew just because of being born to Jew parents, means that unless I become Christian or Muslim, I stay if I either want to or not.
But - I don't belive in god, don't eat kosher, infect - the only bible rules I accept are "don't kill", "don't steal, etc - because that's the law! so I can't really be considered Jew right? I didn't even celebrate my Bar-Mizva!

Now, some said atheists are anarchists, I don't belive it's true.
Do you think that only beliving in logic and not in myth makes someone a mad loner than doesn't care of prinsipality or manners? I don't just go around and bash people because logicly it's possible...

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Is it okay if I stereotype, just like they stereotype Christians?

Excuse me? you just did stereotype atheists as people who stereotype Christians (as if that's the only religion you know of...), which is not true.
I never stereotype groups, no matter if those are nations, religionists, or whatever else, I treat people as if they are all the same and only have different opinions, but I don't decide what are a person's opinions before I meet him.

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From those of them who I know, they seem to not know what they are standing for, and they seem pretty unhappy.

Most of the people, where I live, who are atheists, are very happy and act like everybody else, you shouldn't tag them as unhappy.
On the other hand, personally, I am unhappy, but I'm a weird exeptional so eh...

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the question arises: what is the point of anything? There is no point!

Exactly! that's why you should spend as much time as you can by having fun and not by whasting your time on going to churches and praying!
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With this, Science is irrelevant, logic is irrelevant, facts are irrelevant; where are they going to lead us in the end? Nowhere! With this mob attitude, we should just party hardy, rape, steal, plunder, do whatever we want

That's where you're wrong.
You see - knowing that anything has no point, that life's gonna end, and that whatever you do won't make a change, doesn't means that hurting other is ok!
There's one thing called logic, and that's just fine, it helps to do many things and make the life better.
There's another thing called respect, and that should be ignore; just if someone doesn't belives in santa claws deosn't means that he should be happy when he gets presents, and just the fact that someone donesn't belives in god doesn't means that killing is ok! because just as there's YOU, and what YOU want, there's also OTHERS, and what THEY want, and having respect to what others want, doesn't make someone a damn sinner who kills and steals.

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I was taught to hate people like Atheists and all the other "enemy" people.  When I turned 15, I realized that... y'know, it's a load of crap and hypocrisy.  Not religion or Catholicism, but the fact that everything I heard in that church was preaching forgiveness, love for one another, and all this great stuff.  Then, later on, we decide to hate atheists, homosexuals, people who have sex before marriage, the list goes on.

Exactly! religion makes no sense! it was created so long ago when human were un-civilized and, personaly, I can't realise why do people still belive in that myth.

If you want to belive in god, I have no problem with that, I'm not going to try to convince you to not belive in god because I obviusly won't succed and you already said that you hate people who do that.



But - and thats for you all to think about, religion caused more deaths and killing, crime and hateread, than all athists together ever did.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-03-11 at 15:05:27
Atheists are just as irritating as theists. I can't stand either group when they get on their respective high horses.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-03-11 at 16:46:21
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Exactly! religion makes no sense! it was created so long ago when human were un-civilized and, personaly, I can't realise why do people still belive in that myth.


No, I thought humans were always civilized, according to our belief. In your belief, humans have created all language in this world, and become civilized on their own. I think that's pure crap. Why don't scientists create a machine that speeds up time or something and put a germ in it and see that mutate into a human. They can't cuz they can't prove Christianity wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Xeno on 2005-03-11 at 16:56:26
I'd just like to say that since I'm athiest religion isn't really a topic for me, I couldn't care less. I don't view others as stupid for having beliefs and I don't think they're throwing their lives away. They can do what they want to do and, well, I just won't do anything.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-03-11 at 16:59:29
You're an apatheist then, Xeno. tongue.gif

Atheists generally try to indoctrinate theists, and vice-versa, although atheists tend to have to be provoked first.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Xeno on 2005-03-11 at 17:02:51
Well that's just super. wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-03-11 at 17:14:51
You know I made that up, right? It makes sense though: If you don't give a damn about something, you're apathetic towards it.

If you're apathetic towards the theism issue, then you're apatheist.

Kool, I coined a word. biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ScrollMaker on 2005-03-11 at 17:18:57
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Why don't scientists create a machine that speeds up time or something and put a germ in it and see that mutate into a human. They can't cuz they can't prove Christianity wrong.
ROFL. Someone please tell me you thought this was as funny as I thought it was.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-03-11 at 17:42:17
It's not one's beliefs that influences one's actions, but how said person chooses to use those existing beliefs to influence future actions.

If you choose to ignore science because you feel obligated to do so by your religion, that's an action influenced by your beliefs; and if so, my own beliefs would influence me to call you an idiot... though one who can change. If you were once flexible to have followed that religion, then be flexible enough to set it aside when the circumstances require you to do so. On an internet forum, I suppose you can say anything you want...

ADDITION:
Please don't try to say evolution is impossible just because we humans can't speed up time; it can easily be argued that we humans aren't evolved enough (mentally) to do so. Of course, my personal opinion is that it can't be done. But those are just influenced by my beliefs.

ADDITION:
Church isn't useless, some people live better with "spiritual guidance", so unless if you'd like to start a support group for those people, let them stay in church. It's their own choice if they want to listen to hours of yap yap yap just to get a few seconds of inspiration, if any...
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