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You seem to have the same mentality as the conversionists except you're not as annoying...

People should have the right to choose what they want to believe, not be pressed into believing something or told by someone you're gonna burn in hell forever for not believing what they believe in.

Well what about all of those other religions who believe in the same thing?

Don't say Christianity was the first religion either because you KNOW it isn't.

Most people would probably think that this is an insult, but it isn't!!! You shouldn't keep pressing upon a person until they die, thats absolutely true! God has infinite patience, but that didn't mean he was just gonna let himself be a doormat to the Israelites. He gave up on them for a time too. Although I believe that Christians should push their faith upon non-Christians (It wouldn't be loving in our "religion" if we did that; its definately "loving" to not tell people something that might affect their eternal afterlife!!), BUT Christians shouldn't be anal retentative...

In short, ShadowBrood stated excatly how I am, which I believe how Christians should be.


Even in Christianity thats a "duh" statement (God gave mankind free will). Yet, it seems to slip their minds when they're evangelizing.


On your first sentance, all religions don't believe the same thing! There are more contradictory statements between religions than their are similarities. Of course, they may have equal morals and possibly equal beginnings or ends, but they differ greatly.

Let's take Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.

Christianity: Book- Old&New Testaments. Sprang off from Judaism in 0-30 AD when Jesus came about. Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and was a miracle worker. He was crucified for his beliefs, and the desciples believed he rose from the dead as Jesus himself prophesized. Jesus claimed that he was the final sacrifice for humanity's sins and that you can only come to heaven through God. The New Testament were written by two of Jesus's twelve desciples, one physcian, and a Legalistic Jew turned Christian by "miraculous" means Paul.

Judaism: Book - Old Testament. They believed that Jesus was a blasphemer and crucified him. Their "sins" are washed away by means of sacrifices. The Jews wrote the books "with God's influecnce". The Torah is included as the first five books.

Islam: Book - Ku'ran. They believe that Jesus was a prophet, and that Muhammed was the final prophet sent from God. He wrote the Ku'ran "with an angel guiding him".

Now of course, I know the most about Christianity, so I could write the most about it, but there are already major contradictions here.

Christians claim Jesus was the son of God and you can only get to heaven through him.
Jews claim Jesus was a blasphemer or prophet (and ignore Jesus's own claims of being God) and you can only get to heaven through good works and sacrifices.
Muslims claim Jesus was just a prophet (and ignore Jesus's own claims of being God), Muhammad was the last prophet, and you can only get to heaven through good works.

So, how can they be ALL right? The Law of Noncontradiction makes it that two contradictory things can't be right. Also, don't forget that these "narrow-minded religious folk" believe that everyone that isn't part of their religion is going to hell!!!

Speaking of hell and evil, I think Christians and Jews see evil as a concrete thing, while Muslims believe that this "concrete evil" doesn't exist; its just all in our heads.

Dont muslims need to do the 5 pillar things to get to heaven?

That was an in-depth and intuitive answer. /sarcasm Honestly, what the hell did I do to you? Back on topic: Anyways, all I've heard, for the most part, from believers is "yeah, we should force it down their throats, but we should do it in a nice way!" and all I've heard from the nonbelievers is "Give people a choice". Freedom of religion means the freedom to not have religion, I'd prefer exercising my free will, but going to hell, over worshipping some invisible man in the sky, following strict rules, and going to Heaven.

*Sighs*. And it begins. Well I am back on this topic and I find myself wondering why people don't give me a try. Everyone makes there judgments(which in the Bible it says not to judge...yet you guys don't read the Bible do you?) about me and it gets quite annoying. I never said "Force people to convert to Christianity or let them die." Now did i. Bible says you must "TRY"!!!!!(did I emphasize that enough???) to convert people. It is, in the end, there choice rather or not to believe in God or to think He is a fake(or what have you). So you guys are misinterpeting my comments. Also, I find it offensive that you make odd statements that don't really fit. For instance, when TheoreticalHuman said, "Anyways, all I've heard, for the most part, from believers is "yeah, we should force it down their throats, but we should do it in a nice way!" and all I've heard from the nonbelievers is "Give people a choice"." I found it offensive because based on that you make it seem that I want to FORCE you to become Christian. And obviously I don't I am only trying to tell you that if you do become Christian(and follow its ways of course) you will be saved. There is probably some dumb comment made by one of you I forgot to address but oh well.

See indecisive, we don't mind (or at least I don't) being asked to convert, but when you get like 7 evangelists (before I moved, good thing I get none now) a day going to your door saying, "Convert or you're gonna ing burn!" In nice terms, then you get sick of it. Their being just a little bit TOO good of Christians. They also act like the KNOW you will burn and act like it's a really big deal. Who says I can't get used to it? It's all from perspective. See, the Jews might think you're going to burn in hell for not believing their religion, but that's their perspective!

Basically most people don't like changing their beliefs unless they do it or they get EXTREMELY good reason to do so (not you're gonna burn).

*sarcasm "The good old evangelizing days..."

Christians shouldn't be "forcefully nice"; thats the same definition as assertive. I agree on indecisiveman's response: Try.

I do agree with you Brood; there are too many Christians who overstay their welcome because of religious terms.

Shadow whoever those peple are they are falsely representing Christianity. Let me start by saying I believe there is only one type of Christian....a Christian. Menaing, I don't believe in all those "sub-Christianities", you are either Christian or another religion. Catholics, Coveteists, Evangelists, etc., are not Christians in my book, else they would call themselves "CHRISTIANS". My church is a chain of churches in which only those who claim to be Christian are in fact, Christian. Church of Christ is the name just for future reference. So when you say an Evangelist came to your house and said those things that doesn't involve me because I am Christian and not evangelist. Now if a Christian ever comes to your door and talks like that ask what church he goes to and inform the preacher what he is doing. If the preacher is a good follower of God he will apologize and maybe even get on the case of the person who falsely represents God.

All I'm asking is that you don't come up to me in the street shoving your religion into my face.

Simply what you're taught and what you're learning do not influence your actions. However, your interpretations of your knowledge are based on what you have learned before. If you don't have a solid foundation, everything else built upon your first knowledge may not be causing you to perform the actions that were meant by the new teachings.

Thus, religion plays different roles depending on other factors that may have influenced you to produce a different understanding of it.

For the record, I'm atheist.

In here, I tend to agree with D_Scypher, Nozumu, ShadowB. and some of Mr.Kirby's statements the most (mainly the fact ones that we have free will and that many religions don't find enough common points) to have good inter-diplomacy relationships thus clashing sometimes with one another. We all need a getting along religious diplo' here.

Edit add: And if anyone didn't know already, I'm agnostic.

Let me get this straight, if a Christian fails to 'save' and atheist, do they fail to fullfill their duties as a Christian? I am sorry if I got this wrong, but, I have never read the Bible.

No. The purpose is just to save as many people as you can, you see? If you can't save someone you can't hold yourself accountable for it. So no, there is nothing about "fulfilling" yourself in order to be Christian. Good question