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I personally root for neither. Some atheists are entirely smarmy, rather irritating people who just feel composed to strike at anyone with religious beliefs. They tend to just be anti-religion, without any opinions of their own. Some Christians are condemning of people acting entirely within their rights, because their opinions, choices, or even something they didn't choose is different from them. They feel that anyone not into their exact religion is going straight down to an eternity of pain and suffering. Neither of them are pleasant to talk to, and they always seem to post their typically pointless comments into actual serious discussion. I actually don't care if I burn in hell for all eternity. I've done things I regret, but I can't take them back now, so I stride to improve myself. From what I've heard, if there is a God, the Jews are right. But whatever. I'd just like people to know that both sides have their own little group of assholes.

Agreed.

Personally, I think it's fun to laugh at the nutcases.

I'm not technically atheist, but I don't really have a religion. I just like to blame all my problems and fortunes on God. As far as Christians go I don't really mind most of them. Some Christian teens for happen to also be losers because of their irritating personalties (notice some, there are a lot of christian teens whom I like and are fun to talk to). If a Christian tells me I'll burn in hell I usually reply with, "Pfffft, I'll get used to it", then they'll immediatly bark back "YOU CAN'T GET USED TO IT". However this is a very small portion of Christians.

As far as religion goes I don't really care as long as you're not hurting anyone too much (if someone vomits because they see a christian church that's their problem, but if a christian starts telling you you'll go to hell if you don't join their religion that's being a pain).

There are too many topics based around religion. Get over it already.

I am a fairly religious Christian... I go to church every Sunday. Do I impose my religion on others? No. Do I go out of my way to inform everyone how Christian I am? No. I really don't care what religion someone else is. In fact, the crazy Evangelists get me pissed off. You're an Atheist? Good for you, congratulations. So long as you don't broadcast it everywhere, then its fine with me. But, if you take every oppurunity that comes forth to inform me that you are an athiest, then you're going to piss me off.

Agreed. In so many words, that's what I was trying to say.

I don't see how going to church every sunday makes you a religous christian, though...

To add to FireKame's statement, in our religion the Bible says to try and convert people to be saved. So although you don't, you should because if you are a good Christian then you obey the Bible and its rules. As for atheists I think they are just people who haven't been shown God and His many works. They are also(most of them) angry people inside who had a bad childhood or something and aim to "make fun of" others(mainly Christians for some reason). Anyways, that is just my opinion.

Not going to lie, I make fun of people a lot more than I should. Not because of their religous or sexual affliation or anything like that...

But sometimes the stuff that comes out of people's mouth is just so dumb...

This is what I mean by annoying christians, it isn't enough that they run around trying to "save" people they have to tell their fellow christians that they're bad for not doing the same. That's a massive generalization about atheists beind angry people inside, saying that is just asking for 5 across the eyes. It only seems people make fun of christians because you make it so painfully obvious you're an annoying one, don't lick a hookers ass and not expect to get a desiese. If it's your opinion start your statments with I think instead, it's as bad as the people who think when they say "I'm not racist but..." that it relives them of all responsibilty for what they say.

All these religious arguments need to stop being created or there could be a new theism section of SD.

Psycho, you aren't one to talke about making generalizations.

You said something like that about 6 times in This post.

Wow. Now atheists have bad childhoods. What else? Are they all homosexual? Do they all have AIDS? Are they the reason that black people and women are now allowed to vote? Go back to the 1950s.

My childhood was great. I have been shown "God", as you put it, and frankly He's not at all appealing. And the only thing that makes me angry is ignorance and arrogant self-righteouness.

If you were truly Christian, you would do as Jesus teachings said. HELP THE NEEDY. If an atheist is happy with his life and isn't in need of financial or physical help, don't try to convert them and say you're saving them. This is exactly why I don't subscribe to a religion anymore, there are always the folks who think they are being a "good <insert belief here>" by attempting to make someone believe in things differently.

The way you state it, it appears you believe that I should ignore people who are well off. Because, that's fruitful.

No, I'm saying don't be a "good Christian" and try to convert people by saying you're "saving them". Otherwise, carry on, I got no problem with what you believe in.

I think you know what he means, though. The poor and disadvantaged are, more often than not, in need of a savior than, say, the content and financially stable. That's not to say they might not listen, but the matter primarily focuses on helping the needy first.

Fact is, most people in the middle-class and higher don't care about being converted. They don't feel particularly in need of guidance, after all.

That's materialistic.

True Christianity transcends all of that.

Certainly. As long as those beliefs aren't forced on others, though. We all know what historical prescedences have come from mass conversion and, inevitably, the equation of conversion into control.

This is one of the many things which annoy Christians; this comment right above. Think about the Pharisees for a moment. They were well-to-do people. They prayed in the streets, they tithed, they followed the law. If you've ever read the Bible, who are the people that Jesus speaks the worst about? Pharisees and hypocrites (which are the same thing!). Even though they thought they were right, Jesus saw their hearts and knew that they did these things with arrogance and no repentance behind the sacrifice. They just followed rules but had no feeling behind them, which made Jesus speak so vehemently about them.

In other words, even though in the world's eyes someone is financially stable, in God's eyes we are all sinners, which is why Christians go "nutso" as you call it by trying to convert as many people as they can. In a Christian's eyes, the only "stable" people are Christians on firm foundations. Everyone else is as poor as every other person, regardless of actual wealth.

PS Is anyone a Deist in here?  I need to fix them.

Agh, very good point. I take those comments back then.

I admit, though, that I'm annoyed by conversionists who walk around busy streets and approach everyone they can in attempts to assert their beliefs. I don't know if any of you have had experiences with them, as I live in a big city and they're a lot more prevalent here. Religion shouldn't be pushed upon people, it should be taken by those willing.

Gasp! He actually was honest! (*is dillusioned)

Christian: I'm assertive!
Non-Christian: No, you're pushy.
(Ah yes, gotta love them loaded words.)

True, religion should not be pushed upon people. I know what I'm going to say may sound like some cop-out religous wishy-wash, but it would be intruding upon their free will if you force them to do something; in fact, God can't force people to obey him either! Read the Old Testament and see how many times the Israelites ignore him and turn to idols. Pity the almighty being...

In any case, you're right in saying that it should be taken by those willing. Well, sort of.. how can I type this. Christians should press upon people the word of God, but they shouldn't be the ever-obstinate door-to-door salesman that won't take his foot out of the door.; that is very annoying and makes Christians look like total yahoos.

Still, I think it would be funny if I could bump into one of them. Of course, you have dealt with them so many times they're just a nuisance and a bunch of nutcases to you.

To be short in sweet and wrap this all up in one sentence:

not even if you keep bugging it.

lol, Hey, I may not fully identify with Christianity, but I was still raised Christian and I know when I'm beaten by logic and reasoning. And also when it's been shown I don't know as much about religious bases as I should.

Personally -- and this is completely my own view -- I don't think any religion should be intentionally pressed on, and that telling one's followers to spread the word causes a lot of problems. However, I'm far from a conventional theist, I suppose... My beliefs are based a lot upon many philosophies (religiously-based or not), and even then I'm still pretty young and so I choose to leave things, like the definite existence of God, up in the air.

So, I just want to let you know where I'm coming from, and that's a point of view that requires a lot of experience and wisdom to decide the right beliefs for oneself; because it took me a lot of time to have the chance to see many philosophies, and be content with something... And so I guess that's why I don't like the idea of all of religion's followers becoming preachers, because it's sometimes extremely one-sided and not always well-informed, you know? I mean, I would listen to the religious professor who has studied much about that religion and even others, but probably not the random religious zealot on the street...

The problem with the Christians who have attempted to convert me is that they hold a double standard. It's offensive to them that I should refute their reasoning and try to turn them into atheists, and yet they don't see that their own attempts at conversion are for exactly the same reasons. That's why I don't bother explaining atheism to anyone unless they ask me about it or try to convert me from it.

It's an inside joke, don't be stupid, there are 1 or 2 90-borns I don't find completly revolting (I'm thinking hard here, I can't remember who they were). You see, thing is people born in 1990 are GRADE 9's (understand now?). Everyone 13 and below is just annoying because they think they're tough shit all the time and don't know their place. Name one 90 born on SEN who hasn't been an annoying little shit.

Back on topic is this, early I remember something I read catching my eye, something about Jesus magically knowing that all non-christians deep down were immoral and didn't understand the basis behind the rules. If that's not a low blow I don't know what is. I consider myself to be a pretty moral person... in that even if I knew I'd get away with it I wouldn't break the law (unless it was something dumb like not being allowed to eat and orange in the bath tub... then I'd do it on purpose and tell everyone what a badass I am). If I were deserted on and island with only a few other people I wouldn't steal their food or anything dumb like that.

Again I'd like to say the 90-born thing was a joke, maybe you should get out more. I did give a lot of valid points in that thread while he kept throwing out bullshit (typical among 90-borns [kidding again, don't get excited]). But whatever, that's life.

I was born in the 90's. Am I an annoying shit? Anyways, I agree with D Cpyher. It's really aggravating to deal with someone who thinks you're going to suffer in hell for all eternity because you don't think some carpenter born two thousand years ago is the son of God. I've never read the Biblic verse that says "And the Lord said: Unto all my followers, I give thee a Commandment: Thou shalt be an irritating arse and thy opinions shalt be definite, turn a deaf ear to the rights of thee heathens, and push thy beliefs upon them to the extent of harrasment, for you are the voice of God." Then again, I haven't even finished the New Testament.

Yes.