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you guys JUST DON"T GET IT. You should actually read the book 'THEY JUST DON'T GET IT' which is about how bad the Bush is. Read it like me and then we can talk.

the US isn't invisible. But we are pretty invisible to MODERN countries.

He's right... I'm not exactly one to support bush too Snickers... pizza? sportsbag? they'd probably shoot you if you came near the white house with a bag! Also about nuking... I agree with Chris but understand that I do not support bush! I'm not going against the republicans here but I heard Bush has the lowest I.Q. of all presidents (oh yeah, president bush, if you are readint this, no offense).

I think they haven't!
Do you really think that Iraq will not use it after all what had happened?
If they have there could be 3d worl War!

hellz no. Its not Iraq we gota worry about, its Korea (i think its South korea the crazy one), They'll try and bust out some take over the world ww2 hitler crap on us if were not careful
Just my opinion.

Adding the or a source for it would increase it's value. Just a thought, though.



But the intel's weren't the ones who decided to march over Iraq without the U.N. approval (or even without the U.N. inspectors finished). If the U.N. inspections had turned out somethin' into the WMD's field of proof, I'd be more than glad to admit that most likely the U.N. would support an eventual tactical action in there. Think about it next time, when you even try to justify similar crap with that arguement.



That's what the U.N. inspections were for (Hans Blix n' related personel). And those were cutted short due to coallition forces barging in, I might add. If you let'em do their job, it prob'ly wouldn't turn Bush into a liar afterall. Oh, wait... unless he had other interests in there.
Just not to mention no WMD's proof or even the mischevious intel the U.S. tried to feed upon U.N. inspectors.



Nuclear detterence is the term you're really searching for. And it works both ways... as we saw in the "Cold War" period.

With the U.S.S.R. dismantling and the new arising countries in the area, be through corruption or simply dying for a fast buck will sell those for dimes (read nuke arsenal). Therefore anyone irresponsable enough can buy those and try to build up their nuke research program and eventually nuke the Western world without givin' it another (reasonable) thought. *Cough*Iran*Cough*

*Mumbles & rants* Bah! Not that crap again that only Republicans defend the U.S. overseas by "keeping the peace" abroad.
1st of all, I do want some evidences of the Reps' number majority in the armed forces. And don't worry, I'll wait.
2nd, I do recall a couple of fray issues where the U.S. entered armed conflicts with the U.N.'s sanction in Clinton's time (aka ex-Yugoslavia n' East Timor).
As if the U.S. hadn't any other options to set the so called 'freedom' you're kinda preaching of to us now. Iran, most African countries (with non-democratic systems), the Israel-Palestine roadtrip to peace, Lebannon occupied with Syrian forces for about 15 years... yeah, right. Iraq was undoubtedly the main threat to freedom n' "keeping the peace" at the time.
Next time please fetch other better excuse off that 'Rep book' before saying Iraq was undoubtedbly the major threat to the States at the time (March 2003)...

And tolerance comes into play... ever known the meaning of the ol' sarcasm tool? If you don't know what it is, don't come hammering fellas to move away from ya.



Regular Rep cutting corners excuse b**ls**t. Anyone here recalls that one of the vetoeing seats in the U.N. is occupied (or should be) by the U.S., hmm? Does that rings any bells? Attitudes like the one Bush had in the Iraq invasion are in fact contradicting with it's principles (read the U.N.). Just not to mention the 'terrorists' kept in captivity without formal charging or even trials. "Keeping the peace" and 'freedom' in that area... Boo-hoo, hoorrah! And what about setting the example of justice and freedom? Just not to mention the stepping over International conventions, such as the Genebra one in this case.
Lack of factual evidences in that case also joggs some memories around I hope (read WMD's in Iraq)... *Rolls eyes* altough I don't know of what document you're talking about it's far better than pressing a U.N. resolution (aka 1441) and not waiting for it's results to be fullfilled.
Again, they could have other 'hidden agendas' for that area as mentioned above.

And if a nuke war occurs, chalk the U.S. destruction along with it too. Large scale retaliation, that's what nuclear detterence is mainly all about. *Shrugs*
I'd suggest you to punch it up in a Encyclopedia or even a Dic' (perhaps over the Net).



*Meh* Kinda what was thinkin' right about now.



*Ahem* In fact it's the N.Korea with their unique communist dinastic sytem. *Winks*
If such a thing (politically speakin') is even possible...

Diclaimer: Meh, some smillies were 'sadistically' sacrificed due to board posting limits. *Humph*

wow all I have to say is wow. My arguement is saying that George W. personnaly didn't lie to us if 3 different sources told him that Iraq had WMDs. PERSONNALY. Not that actual arguement if they had them or not. WHY CAN"T YOU UNDER STAND THAT. Yea Iraq probably didn't have any WMDs, Im saying its not Bush's fault for 3 different sources being wrong. So your liberal/democratic thinking was way off to my arguement. And the coalition forces bargining in? Those inspecters had tens years to do their job. And I can't provide any evidence thats says there is more republicans in the army then others, just the word of my friend Brad Jenison who is in the army and told me all of his friends are republicans. Really, do you think a liberal would say "I ing hate Bush! So Im going to go join the Army!"

Also, there HAS NOT been one terrorist attack on US soil since 9/11. And your saying terrorists aren't attracted to Iraq what so ever? Similiar liberal bullshit, keep telling yourself our troops aren't killing terrorists and diverting terrorists to Iraq.

I don't really believe it matters if Iraq has nuclear weapons or not anymore. We've trashed their dictatorship and put a democracy into place...

I think what will really be cool to see is if it works out.

And for that matter, if it does work out will the rest of the Middle East around it change as well?

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Be smart, look at an average Iraqi, no home, no money, no hygiene, etc.

Do you really think they could be producing 5000 warheads per year? There are just theories about them having WoMD, but think about it... where would they get the Uranium? Certainly not in the sand..

The reason they were so poor is because Sadaam was pouring all of their resources, money or not, into their military—whether it be the actual military or weapons.

And where or even what were those sources, hmm!?! *Rolls eyes n' rants* Bad intel at work and you (U.S. admin') bought it with line, hook n' sinker.



It's you who didn't understand the concept of U.N. inspection to prove that the Iraquis' had or not WMD's. (If the U.S. puts a resolution, namely 1441, to pass in the U.N. they should at least expect for it's results, not barging in at will in foreign countries or affairs without any results.)
So they've been there for 10 years... read the resolution above mentioned to see that Saddam's government had cutten those short and that's what it was for - to resume the planned inspections.
Your missconceptions of history are getting sorta amusing... or plainly not.

Eh, do you recall all those fellas that join the army to fulfill the idea of an professional carreer there or those that at the lack of a better job also join? Those ppl aren't forcefully Rep's, ya know!?! You're mostly infering in that cenario... just so you know.
The "I was told" excuse without real evidences will do me good ol'... didly squat. Just to point out that because you've said it it won't exactly be true or any similar sort.
Altough I can believe that in the army the trend is mainly righ-wing or even conservative (chain of command) due to that "do what I've told ya" discipline without much personal thinking on the matter at hands (when given orders).

Yup, I can grant ya that you're attracting 'terrorists' (and folks that also aren't, who just have a dying hatred for your country as well) into Iraq. It's way easier to hump a few borders and shoot at U.S. troops then coming into the Western world after'em.
Wich 'terrorists' you have hitted on Iraq that are actually inborn ones? Answer: None, from what I've known so far. Those came from abroad. Similar to what the U.S. has done when goin' to Iraq. If that's your idea of 'keeping the peace' the "world's shock trooper" way, then thanks but no thanks.
And those who are in U.S. custody (read Guantanamo Bay for one) are having their liberties granted according to the POW's status? Don't make me laugh when you say you're the rightheous to keep the freedom and yet fail to set the example with your own prisoners. Please cut crap and don't ignore what's right in front of ya.



The latest invasion in Iraq was so fast due to oldtimed, malfunctioning and repair lacking military Iraqui arsenal that it wasn't even 'funny'. It lasted (read March '03 invasion) what... a month? Don't humour me with your factual lack of knowledge in this matter too.
At best he was filling his own family's pockets as shown a few times shortly afterwards. For instance, those footages of it's son cars' garage.

Russian Intelligence, British Intelligence, and American intelligence. Can you count? 1+1+1=3! yeah! you learned a new lesson on math! For 10 years! They have been there for 10 years, maybe cut short every year, but that is still a decade. America waited patiently for the UN to finish and I'm sorry but terrorism won't wait. YES WE ALL KNOW Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11 but saddam did harbor terrorists. And Saddam and his high ranking people were terrorists. plus he HARBORED them, which doesn't mean that all terrorists in Iraq are Iraqis. Plus, do you think an Iraqi in the future will have a better life now? or in the past? Oh ya what 'missconceptions' of history have I had?

Basan I am assuming you are not American cause you refered to America as "your country" So WTF do you know about the military? Its ALOT didn't from all those movies and documentries you scene (if ever). And don't beleive me? Go and look up Brad Jenison, stationed in Washinton State and hes a Ranger assistant 60 gunner and his name will be there.

Most of my arguement the proof comes from the book, "They just don't Get it" which bashes Bush just to let you know.

and the Prisoners? The terrorists have no rights becuase they aren't protected by the geneva (wtf however you spell it) code. They aren't in a national army. In the USA the only rights prisoners have is Food, Water, Protection, and shelter. Plus they aren't even American citizens so they don't get any of the rights we do, why should they if they are trying to destroy our way of life? And I didn't know I was ignoring that problem, please don't put words in people's mouths/don't say shit that isn't true.

That website you provided is 2 years old, times have changed, stop livin in the past.

Our goverment is just kidding
Really, There are a lot of problems to worrying about... As I have alredy said, Iraq use it, if ithey have it...

Astounding... simply astounding. Now you (read U.S.) trust the Russian intel when earlier said by many U.S. folks that it couldn't be trusted due to conflitcs of interest reguarding Iraq's oil and/or providin'em weapons (SCUD's for example). In what we stand in the end? (Similar was said about France, btw.)
The Brits' secret service already came to public admitting that they were wrong and not investigated properly.
This is a CIA expert on Osama about the the conflict of the U.S.'s admin Middle East policy and not chasing the real culprit. Who's trying for real to pull the 'Iraq agenda', the CIA advising on the issue or the White House disreguarding it's intel? And btw, the U.S. tried to feed their mischevious intel to the U.N. WMD's inspectors... no doubt a 'very reliable' source. Please don't say that the U.S. intel pointed there, 'cause in fact it hasn't. The U.S. leaders did (read G.W.Bush, for instance), not exactly the intel. *Rants*

Afterall in wich of these do you want me to believe with no doubt, by only trusting their word on it? A world organization and it's officers or a couple of politic leaders when running their own agendas for their countries? That's why I continue by my stand, investigate better before making accusations (like the U.N. dioes or tries to).



Cut the stupid innuendo. I'm not retarded to your extent. All I asked was for the sources not for you to voidly show me you can count as well. *Sighs*



*Meh, sigh* Read carefully my above post on the same subject. There you'll find the reason why it wasn't really 10 years they had to perform the inspections. Not goin' to repeat yourself to death with the same reasoning are ya (10 years crap)?
And since it seems to me that you're not goin' to research on your own what that resolution really was about, here's a hard copy file of it.

Gimme solid proofs that he has harboured terrorists, especially related to the Al-Quaeda - the real guilty party for the 9/11th.
In fact, if they were already in Iraq when the latest invasion started (March '03), then they'd prob'ly came to public (as they do now) to fight / threat the coallition forces or even the citizens of those countries in Iraq. As I recall it only Saddam's troops engaged the coallition troops during the invasion time until they detroned it's regime. Inferences, is what you're really makin' here and not really proving what you state.



*Peeps at it's own flag near it's own nick'* Yep, it's not an hidden fact around here, or even in other places *Cough*WB's*Cough*, that I'm not a U.S. citizen (luckily, imho).

What do I know about the military? Gee, this one will be difficult... I was a military for a short period of time, so I know by experience what usually drives those fellas. And am in one of the countries that supported the latest Iraq invasion (read that bellongs to the 1st coallition forces in the terrain).
These thing are better known from personal experience, trust me. I knew some things from my pals telling me but only when 'felt'em in my skin' I really realized what they talked about.



So? *Shrugs (shoulders)*



Just so you know here's what PoW's really are. Not what you've been fed upon, or are tryin' to feed us.

I didn't said you were ignoring the issue but instead that you 'preach' about freedom, liberty, democracy and all that jazz but look sideways when it relates to setting a good example to others around with it.
Similar goes for the "Patriot Act" crap, btw.



And so the news from the site I provided are 2 years old. So the Iraq invasion. What a real coincidence, don't ya think? Just to show ya that even in those days it was already known. Yeah, I could punch up more recent news about it, but you'd prob'ly would say that this is now well known.
That was with the intent of showing that you (U.S. admin) conveniently hid that fact from the general public 'till later on. Can you at least say diverting attentions, on purpose, with me? Hmm!?!

Disclaimer: Perhaps it's a late reply (I know), but only now it's when was able to do it properly (by my own posting standards).

heres a fact president bush is a f8cuk head and every 1 knows it most of this country voted for there own party and those dumb ass americans should have pic john kerry the only reason bush was elected in the first place was because he was president bush senior's SON that the ONLY REASON WHY



SO SCREW HIM AND HIS FAMILY

HIS FAMILY ALONE KILLED THOUSANDS UPON THOUSONDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE SO DANT SAY HES A GOOD MAN OR HE DIDNT LIE HE LIED

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in ICP standard there SOULS WERE TESTED IN THE MIGHTY RIDDLE BOX!!!!!!

What I don't get is how out of millions of citizens living in America, two people from the same family became president, especially since they are father and son. What the hell is this some inheritence to being president?

I'am seriously getting tired of saying that Americans are stupid. And dumb asses. It is really pissing me off.

There should seriously be a rule where some one cannot say anyone is stupid...

Just because I was raised here... Doesn't make me stupid. So keep your comments to yourself.

Stop flaming or I'm going to start handing out bans for this forum.

Thank you Yoshi... It really got me mad when he said

"Those dumb ass americans"

The British intelligence was faked or at least highly exaggerated. The Defence Secretary recommended that our intelligence was not grounds for war.

amen but you forgot to add they have no souls either jk jk

im an american to and why cant i express my opinion i have the right of freedom of speech so why would i get banned for expressing my opinion
so next time u say something about me saying stuff like that look into my rights before u say anything

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and im not flaming im just saying my rights is that so wrong yoshi?

it was actually weapons of mass destruction which can be gas weapons too. There has been an increase in jobs now, more then clinton's time. Every president has had to use sheets to read their speech from. Clinton didn't do anything better then Bush has done, Bill Gates is the reason why part of the economy went up.

You're only saying this cause you support Bush lol, no offense but I don't support him. I believe we didn't exactly find any "weapons of mass destruction" I think Bush captured Saddam and said we freed a country as an excuse to the matter that we did not find any "weapons of mass destruction". That is my opinion and take no offense at it. that is all... oh yeah, I'm not a flamer lol lol, that is all...

duh, way to state the obvious

If you are american... Why would you call yourself a dumbass?