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Yes, I do blame him for the debt. Maybe, he could have, you know, vetoed a few bills here and there along the way? Has he vetoed one? Nope. I have nothing against being religious, but he takes it too far. He is, at this point, infringing on the right of religious freedom by being uber-Christian and thus creating a bias against non-Christians. Captain Will summed up the conflict in Iraq pretty damn well. I feel betrayed by my own president because he lied to us.

Also watch this, it is really freaking funny.

State of the Union

Best President: George Washington. He had to set up a hell of alot of stuff.
Worst President: I don't think there is one. Maybe Reagan.
Most Overrated: Reagan. I really hate alot of the things Reagan did, said, and got away with. The man had image. That's all. If, say, anyone but Reagan trying to pull Iran-Contra, it'd be damned impossible, but this man just got the "aw, Grandpa".
Most Underrated: Nixon. He might have been a disgusting human being, he might've been terrible with people, but he was actually right about some things.

Lol, Almost no one says Iraq was a good decision!

(STARS, who doesn't know that he was secretly taking america to war. I sure as hell did since I was in 3rd grade (literally) )

Best President:
FDR - Led America out of the Great Depression, and secretly took America to war against Nazi Germany. First President to hold office 3 times. (Though died shortly after elections. (He waited until the last month before elections then started campaigning and still won lol)

Worst:
Hoover - Listed in first post. (What did they call the little ghettos? Hoovervilles?)

I agree with hoover but perhaps add George W. Bush Jr. to the end?

Also your avatar is just like mine lol!

I've had the avatar alot longer though. and no I won't add GWB to the end. Please state a reason why I should, that hasn't been stated yet. (your reason for not liking him, and do not say the war) I actually support the war, ousting a dictator whose killed hundreds if not thousands of iraqi's. Remember the little buildings with hundreds of bodies?

Abraham Lincoln is, and I quote, a "hardcore impossible pimp monster"
The best president ever has to be Emilio Aguinaldo, simply because he did so many cool things in his life, and is my hero.
The worst president ever is Nixon. He was a bastard.
It's been proven that more people hated him than liked him by his third election, but they elected him anyway because a new president would have probably lost us the war.

No he wasn't. Infact, he's the one that made our "withdrawal" from vietnam not be so shameful. He was first president to recognize Communist China and go meet with the leader there and negotiate. He also was one of the first to go to Russia and negotiate with their leader. He was very great. It's only because of that one telephone scandal or w/e which did ppl suddenly see nixon as some bad guy despite all the wonderful things he's done.

You do realise that america is in several trillion dollars of debt and going to iraq jsut increased that right?

Best: Stalin
Worst: I dunno know =)

Just for the record it's an opinion whether we won, lost, or tied the Vietnam war**

Okkk... War causes debt .. So technically when Bush made us go to war that causes more money for us to spend.

Also when you said "although good outweighs bad VERY heavily...)"

that is a lie (pointed out by someone earlier) unless you can name more good that has come out of the war.

SO HAHA

If we didn't go to war, and helped out england, I would be speaking german today.

Most overrated president is Ronald Reagan

Not the best but one of the greats!! John F. Kennedy

Hehehe, Mr. Will is back! Well a few(HUGE things) to point out. Most of your "bad" list is things that aren't actually bad, in the sense that many before him have done it. 1000+ troops died.....numbers for WWII-30 million(estimate) Umm, but yes 1000+....sheesh that is horrible isn't it(cha-ching?). Insurgency in Iraq.....yeah Bush caused that huh, because before we went in it was a peaceful country with no terrorism? Hmm. Iraq is in ruins....doesn't that happen to every country who loses a war and wants to become a democracy? South Vietnam took a while to rebuild....but Johnson was a GOOD president wasn't he....HMMMM. Argh, can't argue with the oil thing...But umm. We have troops there. Uhh, do we not have troops in EVERY country we made a democracy? I think we do...but Iraq is differnt huh. Because it was BUSH who conquered it...yeah that's it. At least now they HAVE a militia...Ahh WMD's....well you can't really argue that...although I believe they DID have them but whatever. So as you can see most of your "bad" things have been done before or are in fact not bad at all. If you will blame Bush for those things, blame Johnson, Roosevelt, heck even Truman.

Mr. n20. (sidenote: make my siggy damnit ) Well it ISN'T an opinion. Goals for Vietnam: stop the spread of communism, make it a democracy, provide aid, free them from France. Outcome: Vietnam became a Communist nation. Plus the fact that we lost thousands of troops. The war made no progress(it finished on the...18th I believe, Parallel, where it began). So we lost....you can't argue that. bush went to Iraq....spent money....saved a nation...got us oil....rescued THOUSANDS of people(if not millions.....) but it cost us a few bucks. He is a bad man. How much did Vietnam War cost? Korean War? WWII? Hmm. Iraq is the least amount out of all those. We wasted more money in Vietnam than in Iraq by three times as much! Or was it Korea....oops oh well.

Blame other presidents if you want, stop following the crowd and hating Bush. he did nothing wrong that others haven't alreayd done.

There is one point I need to let all you bleeding heart liberals (I'm a moderate) understand is, 1000+ of our dead troops in the Iraqi war is NOTHING compared to WWII's. Me personally, I'm not really FOR the war, as in, me go up and enlist. But we're America, we have a history of imperialism. Come on, give it up. We're supposed to be arrogant assholes.

Actually the conflict in Iraq has cost over half the price of the Vietnam conflict already. However, as the typical American, you fail to note that the Muslim people see this as an invasion on their soil by infidels. Of course there will be an insurgency, and damn you for condemning them. I also believe the totally amount of U.S. fatalities is over 1,500 now. Actually, in WWII, you were off by at least a few million, because Russia had 27,000,000 fatalities and Nazi Germany 3,000,000 (U.S. only had somewhere around 300,000). Most of the Russian deaths can be accounted to the meat shield tactics of Stalin as he desperately held the Germans back so mass production behind the Urals could commence. Bush told us that Saddam had WMDs (I didn't believe him back then either). He lied. We unjustly invaded a sovereign nation (well not unjustly perhaps, but misjustified?). They're still angry over the stolen land of Palestine. What is so hard to understand about why many of them are angry with us? It's not because they're Muslim - it's because we've pissed them off too much. Remember reading those newspaper articles about how a single suicide bomber killed 150 recruits waiting to sign up for Iraq's military? There were several, at least, of those alone. Sharpshooter and rocket grenade activity have killed plenty of our own troops, and it will continue to do so. What of the economy? Can we continue to wantantly spend money on Iraq? It's a worse situation than Vietnam.

Iraqi's are mad at us? *laughs uncontrollably* The way I see it(and read it and hear it....) they are damn happy. Why are they signing up for the military if they are against it? Hmm. No one has seent he video clips of them electing a president for the first time ever? They were all moping around and cursing weren't they...didn't think so. Ok so you added to my point by showing we lost WAY more than 1,500(by your account) in WWII. Thanks. Insurgency, stop pretending it is America's fault. They were there way before we got there, so stop using that "argument". Unless you haven't heard of all teh bombings going on in the world? Are we in every country being bombed? Uh huh.....so then. Worse than Vietnam...I am sorry but that is plain ignorance. It is saying the Trade Centers was worse than Pearl Harbor. Retarded by my standards.

I keep on trying to decipher what you type... are you perhaps foreign? If so, I can easily forgive your poor wielding of the English language. If you are American, shame on you.

Besides, the insurgents are almost patriots in their own way. I don't support them, but it's nearly an admirable trait. I'm done arguing with those who refuse to look at anything besides their own viewpoint.

Insurgents are patriots? Before you start chanting that read "They Just Don't Get it" which is written by an old military man by the name of Colonel David Hunt. In this book is the al Qaeda training manuel to train terrorists whiuch was written in the early 80's. It was abtained in a cave in Aphganistan and translated into enlgish in the book. I read the manuel and I have to say, Bush is not at fault for causing more terrorism, America is not causing more terrorism. This first few pages of the manuel tells to kill any one who is not Muslim. And in the "targets of interest" section it clearly states tourists, any one who isn't muslim, embassadors and so on. This was written BEFORE the first Iraq war. I highly suggest reading this book if you really want to understand the insurgents. I understand them now. I know their tactics now. I know how they buy and store weapons. I think I have the best understanding of the insurgents of all of you now that I have read it. Did you know the insurgents in Iraq? Only about 1% of them are actual Iraqis.

Oh and by the way, this book BASHS the hell out of the Bush Administration. So don't think its a right wing book.

If any of you have any questions on how terrorist conduct business or want to know more about the insugency, pm me!

Best: JFK, FDR, or Abe Lincoln.

Worst: Bush.

Honestly, I'm, going to get some facts about him to show how shitty he is in everything. I'll add on more later.

- 152 executions under his terms as mayor.
- Proposed lossening protection of endagered species.
- Overturned limits on mining waste sites.
- No gay marraiges. (Not getting into this)
- Told Congress not to offer a Medicare prescription drug benefit to the poor.
- Gave federal funds to religious groups.
- Tried to expand the death penalty.
- Allowed the sale of PCB-polluted lands.
- Chose not to regulate auto emissions. (Kinda hard to control, but still)
- Relaxed clean air rules.
- Lied about air quality after September 11 attacks. (This could ing cause birth defects, cancer, you name)
- Blocked plan to upgrade nation's power grid.
- Cut pay for soldiers in Iraq. (If your gunna send them there for no damn reason, at least give them decent pay.)
- Used the IRS and federal funds to send out a campaign letter -- again.
- Proposed eliminating protections for historical sites from highway projects.
- Propsed cuts to Medicare funding for cancer drugs.
- Exposed an undercover CIA agent in an act of petty vengeance.
- Obstructed September 11 investigation..


Still a good pres?
Don't believe me?

http://www.wage-slave.org/scorecard.html

your shitty me right? Your using proof from an online journal site......any one can get on that and say what ever they want and call it ture, give me another site that is not a blog/journal/xanga type site for proof.

Ok, those might be bad, but they're not as bad as what other presidents did in the past.

And if you dont know who im talking about, look up Hoover or Harding.

152 Executions: http://www.bushkills.com/murders.html

Endangered Species: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...2-2004Jul3.html

Waste Limits: http://www.cehn.org/cehn/reporttoxic.html

No gay marraiges: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,112314,00.html

No Medicare to poor: http://www.bluebus.org/archives/000332.php

Gave federal funds to religious groups: http://www.detnews.com/2005/religion/0504/14/A01-150360.htm

Tried to expand the death penalty: http://www.prisonactivist.org/pipermail/pr...ber/007918.html

Allowed the sale of PCB-polluted lands: http://www.progressivetrail.org/articles/0...ClubStaff.shtml

Relaxed clean air rules: http://www.sierraclub.org/planet/200302/clean_air_act.asp

9/11 Air Quality: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/09/...ain567489.shtml

Power Grid: http://paleblue.us/archives/000462.html

Iraq Soldier Pays: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/135143_troops15.html

IRS fund for campaign letters: http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml/Bush..._accountability

Propsed cuts to Medicare funding for cancer drugs: http://www.globalaging.org/pension/us/soci...cancerdrugs.htm

CIA agent exposed: http://www.dailycardinal.com/news/2003/10/...ia-512142.shtml

Obstructed September 11 investigation: http://groups.msn.com/DemocratsforChrist/w...licitin911.msnw

GG, no rm.


Also, Hoover wasn't so bad. Even though he was trying to help like the big stuff instead of everyone, he did try to help the depression.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/hh31.html

All those sites are baisd to the max. also this isn't a game.

also,

Clinton didn't do much on those topics either. hey, if you want the perfect America, WHY don't you be President You seem like an expert on everything

The bottom line is you CAN'T make every one happy. Every decesion is going to piss some one off. That DOESN'T make them a bad presidetnt.

Exactly. No one is ever happy. But I must say that Bush could make a lot more descisions that would make more people happy. Like cutting Medicare, was that good? Selling poisoned land, restricting protection of endangered species. Hell, he might actually be a good president if he could lead better than a monkey.