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I got all my knowledge of the Bahai faith from a friend of mine who happens to be Bahaist. Bahai is one of the better religions in my opinion, they believe that all religions are basically one and the same under different human interpretations. They were founded by an Iranian man who was said to be much like the prophetic figure of the past, Jesus, Muhamud, ect. Umm... I would tell more, but I can't remember what my friend told me.

Religion to me, began simply as a sort of charm that people made to help them through times of stress. This mixed with ideals of how life should be lived is what most religions achieve. After leaders developed in society, (way back when) they spread their ideals to the other people who were under them. Basically this continued on, and while you moved from one area to another, you adopted the beliefs of the area's ruler. Then Abraham came up with the defiant idea that his god came with him where he went. Many other great minds helped mold todays religions. Zoroaster for instance invented the so readily accepted idea of good/evil. These radical veiws along with cultural beliefs, have shaped what are most religions today.
I believe that a person should not have to rely on a greater power to accomplish great things, I have the idea that you should believe in yourself. (sounds kinda cheesy, I know)

Not this thing fetched back again... *Rolls eyes* so you would believe in my invisible pet dragon without a shred of doubt!?!

My guess is that those folks want a gullible logic explantion to be drawn from it, that can be concluded/proven of God's/higher whatever's existance.
My posture through this one is simple... sorta. There could be a higher entity or not, but 'till proven I'll take my chances with a logic and/or Science PoV's backbone.

Side note: Religion imo it's like football, everyone chooses the 'team' that fancies (aka identifies) the most. *Smirks... kinda*



The "see" up there is in italic why, may I ask (aka it isn't in the literal sense, is it)? Now you're a mind reader... this sure widens my perspective.

On a serious note, though. Perhaps they want to see the proof(s) to evaluate it for themselves and not based on what other ppl tells'em. *Meh*



Agreed thoroughly. Thus my comment on why what's considered 'normal' is highly overestimated.



From this one I can infere that you're Atheist or by other option (read Agnostic). Am I right?

Atheist... As far as i see, there are no signs of gods really existing...

Atheism r teh rox0r.

More atheists than agnostic people (open your minds a little). I'm actually surprised a little at the fact monotheists have stayed neck and neck with atheists.

Atheistic (freak), if you show me definite proof god exists, then I will believe. I have tried reading the bible, and failed...

Monotheist. and uh... i believe in god, but im not sure. Dont really go to church every sunday or anything. On sacraments i might go to church. Or every double blue moon. Im not one of those SNL church ladies...

ya know what i mean..............

And LtDonny, stop flaming people. Why dont you SHOW ME PROOF GOD DOES NOT EXIST!?!

Dont 'dis' other people's religion.

Atheist...

Prove God doesn't exist? You can't. The beliefs and myths surrounding the idea of god or gods is so vague that you cannot possibly prove either way they do or do not exist.

It would be like tripping over something, then blaming it on a God of tricks. When someone else would simply say you just lost control of your motor skills briefly. Neither is true, neither is false. It cannot be proven either way.

So it works both ways.

zactly, so ltdonner should shaddup.

warhammer sounds more like a diest.. =/

GOgo atheists, simply because of a lack of evidence for god!

Tuxedo... are YOU God? You're just too all around awesome. It's kinda scary. Well, no, you've made mistakes. But very few. I'm not sure on God. I need evidence, but sometimes I think maybe. Take Franklin Roosevelt. Born rich, and the most powerful ppresident of all time. He acts far beyond his restrictions as President... then, bam. He ends up paralyzed.

How am I flaming people? I was calling MYSELF an atheist freak. Besides, how can I prove that god does not exist? Can you show me proof god exists?

There's 1 thing that always itched me about religion, is the entire faith thing.
Never believe in something ONLY because of the faith part. Because, I can show you a dozen counter examples on why that's bad. Infact, I think a lot of us can.

Only one religion is right. It's just up to us on finding it. And for all we know, it may have been the puritans, or roman/greek gods. But hey, they're wrong because our mommies and daddies told us they were wrong. Right? Please.

on a side note: The arguement about God is proablly without a doubt, the most important arguement ever made. And yet, some of us try to stay away from it. If we were to finally resolve this entire debate in less than a thousand years, I could see the small chance of true world peace.

EDIT: warhammer, you've offended me now. Telling donny to shut up. If you can't handle the heat, get off the internet.

I agree on that note. Terrorists twist things around for their religion. Does that mean my belief of rebirthing should be like "You may die and you shall be reborn and serve us again"?

No... It should not, yet, some people think religion is worth fighting for. But, does this mean we should banish all beliefs? I do not. Beliefs become problems when you are using violence to make people go into you beliefs.

Nono basan, i was saying that i'm seeing some atheists/agnostics using the "I wont believe until i see him" reasonings as their only reasons which I find stupid. (and that's why i italicized "see" to emphasize seeing an image of him, not neccesarily receive logical/scientific explanations).

Alpha it isn't about Warhammer "taking the heat". he was merely saying it isn't right to make fun of people's religion, not saying he can't handle it. As for the whole "prove God exists" thing....geez. prove God DOESN'T exist. It won't work. Neither will. Some people think rocks collided(very loose) and made a planet(perfectly spherical might I add....) and then made tiny organisms(uh huh....) and they "evolved" into bigger things, eventually becoming humans(and the humans never "evolved" into anything else....riiight). Well all I am saying is if you are going to use "Prove God exists" as an excuse not to believe then you CAN'T reject the fact that YOU can't prove he DOESN'T exist. So either way you need other reasons. There isn't ONE religion, God says nothing is perfect. Meaning religions can get close to what He wants, but tehre will always be SOME flaws. Alpha, go ahead and point out those supposed counter examples you have stored up in your brain. I want to see them.

Why do people always want us to disprove his existance? Hello, Burden of Proof? Gogo. It's your turn, not ours (You're in zugzwang, meaning you don't want to have the move).


I don't see how that's different than god coming down to earth, making things from basically nothing, thus, violating all three thermodynamic laws.


Yeah, like women coming from a rib is possible.


Except himself.
Too bad to be perfect, is to be flawed.

God is a spirit....not a person or "thing". Therefore he can be perfect. Anyways...why are YOU guys always asking US to prove He DOES exist? Hmm, works either way doesn't it. The fact that atheists asked "first" is irrelevant. So we aren't just reflecting the question upon you, we are saying it is pointless if you yourself can't answer it. When you were born, you were atheist right? I don't think so. your surroudings changed you into an atheist.(you in general, not "you"...err confusing) My point is it is natural to believe in a God. Why? He made us, therefore implanting that in us. You can say our parents taught us...my parents never "taught" me right or wrong...it came naturally. It is natural to believe in God, becoming Atheist feels wrong because...it IS wrong. In my opinion anyways. Hope you understand that...

Ad Hoc Fallacy. (w00t!) Excuse. Nothing more.


Because the Burden of Proof demands it! Sucks doesn't it?


True.


True. But we don't need to answer it.


No, I was too dumb to know what an "atheist" was.


I changed myself due to a lack of reasoning and evidence within religion. So religion changed me. (Is religion a surrounding?)


Maybe. Luckily, that's irrelevant.

As for everything else, it's all opinion. We all know we can't fight opinions!

You are right on the heat I thing. I was wrong. I apologize.

Burden of proof, go look it up.

Are you one of those people that say,
"Us evolving makes no sense! That can't be possible! Some kinda being (God) had to create us."
I'm just curious.

Also, for that whole more than one religion could be right thing, is just you talking like me when I was talking about the heat thing. You got your head up your ass. If I seriously need to show you why there can't be more than 1 that's correct (By correct, I mean it's bible is 100% correct), then I just don't know about you. Seriously.

And finally, for that whole part about saying my counter examples are stupid, before I even showed them to you. Ya, I got one:

You could prove me wrong that 1+1=2 not, 11. But I could still have faith that 1+1=11, no matter how much proof you showed me. (Faith can sometimes lead to denial, and shouldn't be used as the ONLY condition why you believe in something)

The piont of faith leading to denial leads me to nothing. All of this... we are just arguing over an argument that can NEVER be solved until we DO or DO NOT enter heaven or the afterlife.

Leads you to nothing as in, wether your god exists or not? Yes, that's true. But it helps us find a solution, without the whole dieing part.

How about we not turn this into a Jihad existance of God debate. This thread is to post your beliefs, not argue them. Stop now or I will lock it.

That's why I said earlier, that the god debate is the most important debate there is. SOOO many arguements lead right back up to it. I'm afraid, you may have to lock this.

EDIT: (Next time you want no one to argue in a thread, make sure you say in bold letters: "NO ARGUEING" then just hope they comply.