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Umm, ok. I thought I said eternity was infinity, thus, not ending. And yeah, people go to hell for an eternity means they are sent to hell forever. No end.


Nope, you don't. This doesn't mean there can't be one.


If you don't know the defintion of a word, I would strongly recommend you to not argue if you're going to be as ignorant as to not look it up.


Ah, but it did begin. It began with 1. And then it loops forever. (Or as much as the computer can handle, but if we think with our brain, which has no limits in imagination, it's easy to see it loops forever).


I'm not resetting it to zero. It basically means, while the variable is greater than 0, continue the action, which is adding 1 to the variable.

And yes, I realize outside forces can destroy the computer, but that does not destroy the concept.


You don't reach infinity, you can only reach the limit of infinity. Math terms, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limit_%28mathematics%29


It's a trick question.

And since I didn't respond to your anwser to that post in that thread:

"Extra things" like God? Because it matters?

Simple. Because he didn't. Well, actually, time started when God created it. From my own thoughts I like to play with, I theorize time never existed in real reality, we are just "reading" the book of life. Time is just how long it's take us to read it. Again, this is just playful thoughts.


Just like I said in the above post, with infinite amount time, that same event could have happened infinite amount of times, infinite amount of years ago.

So this is what I've been saying all along.
And anyways, what did this "dot" do with the "time" before it created time. How can there be action without time? What was going on before time existed? I'd still like to know.
Of course, you'd reply with something like "well, we can't be sure because we weren't there, that's why it's a theory..." or "we don't have the same conditions" and blah blah blah, but you are so confident to back up the "law" of evolution, where no one was there to observe it happening and does not even fully understand it (no one here, especially, knows everything about evolution).
Such a superstitional religion you "scientists" have.

If you want to get into literal meanings, only a robot could be a scientist. Why? Because the zeigest of robots is an emotionless, logic driven, faithless machine. It wouldn't believe in Evolutionism, Creationism, or any mix of the two, until the theory could be proven doubtlessly. A scientist would be one who listens exclusively to science, the provable, what can be observed, measured, proven. By the way, none of us are scientists, or else we'd most liely be making some kind of Creationist ki- cure for cancer.

Can one of you guys please tell my why math can't be infinate?
Name the number of years god has existed.

..A thought just came to me.

This is all ones and zeros to a computer.
Answer me this, how many different calculations can a computer do?

How many different applications can be made?

How many times can the skin of SEN be changed?



I'll tell you this.
Tangible = bullshit.

I have one big question, and I think this may offend some of you, but oh well.

WHO CARES?

lol cheeze... I think i just invented the term "Christian sucker punch".

Now of course I don't want to turn this into a atheist vs. Christian thread, because that's what this mini-series is for! This one thread has nearly served it's purpose IN JUST ONE DAY, and I am preparing the next thread title in my mind.
Oh, and darkblade, infinity DOES exist (in the intangible realm of course). I'll give you a simple math problem. What is 2 divided by 3? I'll will show you.
__0.6666
3/2.000
_-0
__20
__-18
___20
___-18
____20
____-18

Now tell me darkblade, will this go on forever? No you say? Because it only "seems" that it goes on forever? There are two problems with that:
1) By claiming it only "appears" infinite, it means you know where it ends, since you claim that it has an ending. In other words, if this series was not infinite, you would only know if you found the end of it yourself!
2) The principle of Uniformity agrees with this series of infinity. The principle of Uniformity states that natural forces from the past does the exact same effects on things the same way as they do in the present. An example would be that an object put next to another object gives the quantity of those objects together (or simply put, 1+1=2 in the past and in the present). The principle of uniformity proves infinity because it states that since the cycle repeated itself in the past, it repeats itself in the present AND FUTURE.

Now realize, since this is the tangible world, we, as humans, cannot write out the number 6 an infinite amount of times (the number 6 is intangible, but the lead from the pencil isn't). That does not mean that infinity does not exist. This is the problem RexyRex brought up.

Rexy asked, "How many calculations can a computer do?" If the computer never breaks down, probably infinite.  BUT, how many calculations has all the computers in the entire universe(tangible) done? Not infinite.  You can never tranverse infinity in the tangible world, which is why I made this thread.  I like to see people try to work for infinite dollars, WHICH DOESN'T EXIST mind you.

As with Rexy's other questions, use the same logic applied above.  Although its theoretically possible for infinity, its not achievable.  There is an infinite number of mathematical points between a bookshelf (ruler postulate), but you can't fit an infinite amount of books between it.

Then that means the robot CAN'T be a scientist because to PROVE science, because you need to use the METHODS FROM SCIENCE and EXPERIMENTS from science to prove that science works!!

Theo, you messed up here because you defined a scientist as someone who only believes something is 100% accurate, but by the definition of forsenic science you CAN'T be 100% accurate because you weren't there! Of course, this robot could do science of the present, but it could only prove things it had seen and observed, and that's a very narrow-minded scientist, even more narrow-minded than ones with a bias.

Actually, why do you think scientists exist? Because they DO have a bias! We already have assumptions. If some guy claims that the earth is flat, and you already have evidence from numerous places that the earth is round, wouldn't you think he's a loon? "Oh you're so 'biased' Theo!" Bias is not a bad thing, because we're all biased because we believe more in what we think is true than what we think is not!

My gosh I'm saying more obvious things than when I was talking to Cheeze

Maybe if you follow my mini-series you'll find out soon enough alpha.

Ok Kirby, you got me.

An infinitely Single number repeating infinitely is infinite. I am caught red handed .

Now i don't want to get this started into a debate on beliefs in religon in the first place, but before an answer was resolved this could easily have been turned into a debate on religous beliefs. It could have been as simple as, You either believe that infinity exists or you don't. And eventually someone would of said that this is just like beliefs in god. An Atheist would say explain how god exists, and a Monotheist or Polytheist would've said the opposite. And thus the concept of this thread had alot to do with the edge of atheism and Religon. But luckily we never had anyone go that far .

Well im done for posting on this topic. Riticule my post if it seems wrong to you =).

And this about concludes the first of my mini-series. "Infinity, oh infinity".

If you have read this entire thread, you probably came to these conclusions:

1) Mr.Kirbycode774 made the challenge because he already knew infinity cannot exist in the tangible realm, which was noted by his wager of "infinite dollars".

2) Tangible means "can be touched". There is no known object that can be touched that can be infinite in any way.

3) Infinity may not exist in the tangible realm, but it does exist in the intangible realm.

4) Mr.Kirbycode774 made an argument on page two that the universe had a beginning, because it would take an infinite time from the creation of the universe to the creation of man if it always existed.

5) Mr.Kirbycode774 somehow wished to relate infinity with the battle of Creationists versus Atheists.

But it's still not tangible.
And i'm not understand what was the point of your post either(i didn't understand what you were trying to point out.)

You're really passionate about attacking a post that took me two minutes to think up on a topic that has essentially no meaning, Kirby. Yeah, I was wrong... still... what was the purpose of this thread? To state that infinity is real? To state a difference between tangible and intangible? Or simply to make a point that people incorrectly use the term infinite? How about this: Infinite has no end, and therby, no beginning. The CONCEPT of infinity, not the person adding, the Universe expanding, or the computer calculating. There. Everyone shut up about the nature of infinity. Some things are a waste of time to think about.

Is it REALLY theo? Well, I believe Theoretical Human has made a great 2nd concluding statement (1st at post #33). And with that, I close the first of my mini-series.