Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2005-05-13 at 00:51:01
I was looking for a pattern. it pretty much is ^0, ^1 ^2, ^3, ^4, etc.
^0 being a point (1)
^1 being a line (x[sup]1[/sup])
I do not need to finish this for like the third time
^0 being a point (1)
^1 being a line (x[sup]1[/sup])
I do not need to finish this for like the third time
Report, edit, etc...Posted by kirby_star on 2005-05-13 at 00:55:15
QUOTE(O)FaRTy1billion @ May 12 2005, 09:51 PM)
I was looking for a pattern. it pretty much is ^0, ^1 ^2, ^3, ^4, etc.
^0 being a point (1)
^1 being a line (x[sup]1[/sup])
I do not need to finish this for like the third time
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^0 being a point (1)
^1 being a line (x[sup]1[/sup])
I do not need to finish this for like the third time
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What is the point of this post? you forgot to add zero? actually since zero doesn't exist in any of the three physical dimensions... its nothing at all... it doesn't exist perhaps... but you never know...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2005-05-13 at 01:02:00
0 is a point.
A point has no width, hight, or depth. It is exactly just a point. Not much more you could add...
A point has no width, hight, or depth. It is exactly just a point. Not much more you could add...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by kirby_star on 2005-05-13 at 01:07:10
QUOTE(O)FaRTy1billion @ May 12 2005, 10:02 PM)
0 is a point.
A point has no width, hight, or depth. It is exactly just a point. Not much more you could add...
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A point has no width, hight, or depth. It is exactly just a point. Not much more you could add...
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it is not even a point since it has no dimension so no phsical shape so it is not even a point...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2005-05-13 at 01:12:01
Then what you are considering a point is just like a very small shape. but a point does not exist, it is mostly just a reference.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by kirby_star on 2005-05-13 at 01:22:00
QUOTE(O)FaRTy1billion @ May 12 2005, 10:12 PM)
Then what you are considering a point is just like a very small shape. but a point does not exist, it is mostly just a reference.
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basically you mean a reference to a point of space?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2005-05-13 at 15:51:05
Thats a good way to put it 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-05-13 at 20:38:18
0 Dimensional space could not exsist. Simply because nothing could move inside of it, there would be no height, width, or length. This does not make it a point though. A point is when height, width, and length reach 0 in any other dimensional area. In 0 dimensional space one point would be every point, which would also be no points, because there is no definition of spactial direction.
As to spacial dimentions, mathematically there can be four dimentional objects. (And I hear someone made a 5 dimentional object?) Most well known of these four dimentional objects is the hypercube.
As to spacial dimentions, mathematically there can be four dimentional objects. (And I hear someone made a 5 dimentional object?) Most well known of these four dimentional objects is the hypercube.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by unnownrelic on 2005-05-14 at 00:13:04
I would quote people but I'm not sure how so you'll just have to figure out what I'm talking about.
By negative speed they mean negative velocity. Not just going backwards in accordance to a reference point. Because than technically we could have both a negative and a positive speed at the same time from the perspective of 2 seperate people. Like if I'm walking in a direction and someone says I'm moving forward but someone else says I'm going backward in relation to some wierd reference point, then I'd technically be both at the same time. Which brings quantum mechanics in again and that makes my brain hurt
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And wtf is a hypercube???
By negative speed they mean negative velocity. Not just going backwards in accordance to a reference point. Because than technically we could have both a negative and a positive speed at the same time from the perspective of 2 seperate people. Like if I'm walking in a direction and someone says I'm moving forward but someone else says I'm going backward in relation to some wierd reference point, then I'd technically be both at the same time. Which brings quantum mechanics in again and that makes my brain hurt
.And wtf is a hypercube???
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dust_core on 2005-05-15 at 19:41:34
As I had read the superstring theory, it is posible to go back and forth in time. Although we need advance technology and it seems that we are near to that technology.
To go Forward in time
Because time doesn't flow the same way as of other places in the universe, you can go to other places in the universe and go back to earth to advance time. For example, go to mars and stay there for a couple of hours and you will be advanced through time on earth.
To go Backward in time
It can be done by means of travelling through a wormhole or a blackhole. Travelling throught these dead stars can be risky and it is a one way trip. When a star dies, it creates a tear in the fabric of time and creates a wormhole that connects through any of the 11 dimensions of the universe. Travelling through those paths can bring you to the past or advance further in the future.
To go Forward in time
Because time doesn't flow the same way as of other places in the universe, you can go to other places in the universe and go back to earth to advance time. For example, go to mars and stay there for a couple of hours and you will be advanced through time on earth.
To go Backward in time
It can be done by means of travelling through a wormhole or a blackhole. Travelling throught these dead stars can be risky and it is a one way trip. When a star dies, it creates a tear in the fabric of time and creates a wormhole that connects through any of the 11 dimensions of the universe. Travelling through those paths can bring you to the past or advance further in the future.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-05-16 at 03:16:10
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It can be done by means of travelling through a wormhole or a blackhole.
All of that is theoretical, as we have no idea what happens in the center of a black hole. Theoretically there could exsist another universe inside a black hole. The thing is we cannot see into a black hole, because gravity is too strong for anything to escape, therefor we cannot determine what sort of action goes on inside. Things go in, nothing comes out, does that sound like a transportation system to you?Also: I really like your avatar.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dust_core on 2005-05-16 at 04:25:18
Yeah, you're right. No one can tell what is inside a blackhole but astronomers believe that the intense gravity and density of a dying star can rip a hole through the fabric of space time and open wormholes to other dimension.
By definition a black hole is a region where matter collapses to infinite density, and where, as a result, the curvature of spacetime is extreme. Moreover, the intense gravitational field of the black hole prevents any light or other electromagnetic radiation from escaping. But where lies the "point of no return" at which any matter or energy is doomed to disappear from the visible universe?
The surface part of the black hole is called the "Event Horizon".
In Conlusion, travelling to it might be unsafe and unsure.
ADDITION:
Oh, I had read a theory about black hole travelling at NCSA
can the wormholes be exposed?
By definition a black hole is a region where matter collapses to infinite density, and where, as a result, the curvature of spacetime is extreme. Moreover, the intense gravitational field of the black hole prevents any light or other electromagnetic radiation from escaping. But where lies the "point of no return" at which any matter or energy is doomed to disappear from the visible universe?
The surface part of the black hole is called the "Event Horizon".
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Event Horizon
Applying the Einstein Field Equations to collapsing stars, German astrophysicist Kurt Schwarzschild deduced the critical radius for a given mass at which matter would collapse into an infinitely dense state known as a singularity. For a black hole whose mass equals 10 suns, this radius is about 30 kilometers or 19 miles, which translates into a critical circumference of 189 kilometers or 118 miles.
Behind this horizon, the inward pull of gravity is overwhelming and no information about the black hole's interior can escape to the outer universe.
The Singularity
At the center of a black hole lies the singularity, where matter is crushed to infinite density, the pull of gravity is infinitely strong, and spacetime has infinite curvature. Here it's no longer meaningful to speak of space and time, much less spacetime. Jumbled up at the singularity, space and time cease to exist as we know them.
Cosmic Censorship
It's no surprise that throughout his life Einstein rejected the possibility of singularities. So disturbing were the implications that, by the late 1960s, physicists conjectured that the universe forbade "naked singularities." After all, if a singularity were "naked," it could alter the whole universe unpredictably. All singularities within the universe must therefore be "clothed."
But inside what? The event horizon, of course! Cosmic censorship is thus enforced. Not so, however, for that ultimate cosmic singularity that gave rise to the Big Bang.
Applying the Einstein Field Equations to collapsing stars, German astrophysicist Kurt Schwarzschild deduced the critical radius for a given mass at which matter would collapse into an infinitely dense state known as a singularity. For a black hole whose mass equals 10 suns, this radius is about 30 kilometers or 19 miles, which translates into a critical circumference of 189 kilometers or 118 miles.
Behind this horizon, the inward pull of gravity is overwhelming and no information about the black hole's interior can escape to the outer universe.
The Singularity
At the center of a black hole lies the singularity, where matter is crushed to infinite density, the pull of gravity is infinitely strong, and spacetime has infinite curvature. Here it's no longer meaningful to speak of space and time, much less spacetime. Jumbled up at the singularity, space and time cease to exist as we know them.
Cosmic Censorship
It's no surprise that throughout his life Einstein rejected the possibility of singularities. So disturbing were the implications that, by the late 1960s, physicists conjectured that the universe forbade "naked singularities." After all, if a singularity were "naked," it could alter the whole universe unpredictably. All singularities within the universe must therefore be "clothed."
But inside what? The event horizon, of course! Cosmic censorship is thus enforced. Not so, however, for that ultimate cosmic singularity that gave rise to the Big Bang.
In Conlusion, travelling to it might be unsafe and unsure.
ADDITION:
Oh, I had read a theory about black hole travelling at NCSA
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Imagine a trip into a black hole. This tantalizing thought has excited much creative speculation.
There are two ways to consider the issue. One is to "watch" someone or something -- say a small robot spacecraft -- fall into the black hole. The odd thing is it never seems to get there. The closer it approaches the hole's event horizon, the slower it seems to travel. But for the crew inside, there would be no warning of its impending doom.
An accretion disk might warn of an event horizon beyond, but the horizon itself would remain invisible. And for the crew, time seems to flow normally. Nevertheless, to you, the observer, the spacecraft appears to halt, seemingly forever suspended at the boundary of the black hole. The spacecraft begins to turn orange, then red, then fades imperceptibly from view. Though it is gone, you never saw where or how it disappeared.
Now brace yourself! Imagine that you are venturing into the black hole yourself. As you travel toward it you may notice nothing out of the ordinary, except an inability to steer yourself in any but one direction -- which is toward the "invisible" hole. You would never know when you had crossed the event horizon were it not for the increased gravitational tugging that draws your body longer and longer, squeezing in from the sides. You wouldn't last long, which is too bad, because theorists believe that inside a black hole, time and space are scrambled up strangely, such that even time travel, or travel to different universes via so-called "wormholes" might become possible, if (and a big IF!) you could survive the extreme gravity inside the hole.
Einstein's Theory of General Relativity predicts that though the gravitational field around a massive black hole is stronger on the large scale, it will exert weaker tidal forces than its smaller counterpart, at least outs ide the event horizon. These forces are what would stretch and squeeze you into spaghetti. So, if you insist on exploring the vicinity of a black hole and want to play it safe, pick a big one!
There are two ways to consider the issue. One is to "watch" someone or something -- say a small robot spacecraft -- fall into the black hole. The odd thing is it never seems to get there. The closer it approaches the hole's event horizon, the slower it seems to travel. But for the crew inside, there would be no warning of its impending doom.
An accretion disk might warn of an event horizon beyond, but the horizon itself would remain invisible. And for the crew, time seems to flow normally. Nevertheless, to you, the observer, the spacecraft appears to halt, seemingly forever suspended at the boundary of the black hole. The spacecraft begins to turn orange, then red, then fades imperceptibly from view. Though it is gone, you never saw where or how it disappeared.
Now brace yourself! Imagine that you are venturing into the black hole yourself. As you travel toward it you may notice nothing out of the ordinary, except an inability to steer yourself in any but one direction -- which is toward the "invisible" hole. You would never know when you had crossed the event horizon were it not for the increased gravitational tugging that draws your body longer and longer, squeezing in from the sides. You wouldn't last long, which is too bad, because theorists believe that inside a black hole, time and space are scrambled up strangely, such that even time travel, or travel to different universes via so-called "wormholes" might become possible, if (and a big IF!) you could survive the extreme gravity inside the hole.
Einstein's Theory of General Relativity predicts that though the gravitational field around a massive black hole is stronger on the large scale, it will exert weaker tidal forces than its smaller counterpart, at least outs ide the event horizon. These forces are what would stretch and squeeze you into spaghetti. So, if you insist on exploring the vicinity of a black hole and want to play it safe, pick a big one!
can the wormholes be exposed?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by unnownrelic on 2005-05-16 at 22:48:47
Now by exposed what do you mean?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dust_core on 2005-05-16 at 23:48:33
I mean, can the insides of a black hole be exposed after a long time of existence? To be clear, when a black hole evaporates, can the wormhole be exposed and be used by us humans?
I think it's impossible.
I think it's impossible.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by kirby_star on 2005-05-16 at 23:53:04
QUOTE(Rantent @ May 13 2005, 05:38 PM)
0 Dimensional space could not exsist. Simply because nothing could move inside of it, there would be no height, width, or length. This does not make it a point though. A point is when height, width, and length reach 0 in any other dimensional area. In 0 dimensional space one point would be every point, which would also be no points, because there is no definition of spactial direction.
As to spacial dimentions, mathematically there can be four dimentional objects. (And I hear someone made a 5 dimentional object?) Most well known of these four dimentional objects is the hypercube.
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As to spacial dimentions, mathematically there can be four dimentional objects. (And I hear someone made a 5 dimentional object?) Most well known of these four dimentional objects is the hypercube.
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Did I not state that clearly enough up in one of my posts, and yes a hyper cupe is a 4 dimensional object when rotated flips inside out and vice versa
dust, no!!!! read all my posts in the other serious discussion topics where I clearly explain how time travel is impossible!!! and I quell any resistance there and what does this have to do with negative speed? time travel is not negative speed! it is the movement among the 4th dimension!!! post something about time travel in the other serious discussion topic "The Thought of Time" and I will answer you there but not here k? take no offense lol
Lol, we have a liklier chance of going through a wormhole than travelling through time.
Oh yeah, unownrelic, the going backwards and forwards is NOT negative speed, it is simply relativity or what was that word? AAAARRRGGGGGHHHH I forgot... perspective I think maybe... anyways that was answered a long time ago was it not?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-05-17 at 17:18:22
Late reply.
Yes, it is a point. Points do not have any physical shape(duh), but it doesn't mean it isn't there. That's like saying the first dimension doesn't exist because you can't see it.
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it is not even a point since it has no dimension so no phsical shape so it is not even a point...
Yes, it is a point. Points do not have any physical shape(duh), but it doesn't mean it isn't there. That's like saying the first dimension doesn't exist because you can't see it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by unnownrelic on 2005-05-18 at 19:41:07
But really though, wtf is a hypercube?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-05-22 at 21:10:04
Hm...i've read this entire thread, taken a look at everything here, and selected certain things i'd like to reply to.
Time travel isn't really possible you see. Heres one way of looking at it. Time is the delay between 2 events. Events like these require motion. Motion is a form of energy. In order to go back in time, you would have to negate motion, and all that does is negate energy. Enery doesn't really have a point beyond 0, and besides that, you literally CANT negate energy. So there ya go.
No. If we did, we'd be inhuman.
First off, a good way to look at time is using color, like with a grayscale. White is current time, and everything below that is further into the past, with black being the supposed beginning of time.
As for antimatter, its just the exact same combination of the its counterpart, with opposite charges. Its like putting +1 and -1 together, you get a zero, which is actually an explosion or "release" in energy.
Hm..i've been considering something. Why is it that a black hole is circular? why is it that it only spreads out in a tornado-like formation. If it were really a single point, wouldnt the outer area be a sphere? There must be more to it then this. And another thing, should the possibility of Black Holes leading somewhere be true, wouldn't it also be true that there is an opposite of a black hole? Not a "white" hole, but something that spews out matter, rather then sucking it in. Seems like something to think over if you ask me.
QUOTE(unnownrelic @ May 6 2005, 09:15 PM)
0 and 1? What's that supposed to mean, the first dimension and non-existence?
And okay, the fourth dimension may or may not be time, but assuming that it is, then we could travel all throughout time, not just back and forth. But assuming that it isn't time then does anyone have any ideas about what it could be? I mean the fourth dimension might just be the whole negative speed thing. But like I said negative velocity is like taking nothing and collapsing it, you just can't do it as you already have nothing and you can't get much less than that.
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And okay, the fourth dimension may or may not be time, but assuming that it is, then we could travel all throughout time, not just back and forth. But assuming that it isn't time then does anyone have any ideas about what it could be? I mean the fourth dimension might just be the whole negative speed thing. But like I said negative velocity is like taking nothing and collapsing it, you just can't do it as you already have nothing and you can't get much less than that.
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Time travel isn't really possible you see. Heres one way of looking at it. Time is the delay between 2 events. Events like these require motion. Motion is a form of energy. In order to go back in time, you would have to negate motion, and all that does is negate energy. Enery doesn't really have a point beyond 0, and besides that, you literally CANT negate energy. So there ya go.
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Ever consider that maybe THERE IS NO 4TH DIMENSION?!
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No. If we did, we'd be inhuman.
QUOTE(unnownrelic @ May 8 2005, 07:47 PM)
Wow, I think that's the longest reply I've ever seen. And I guess that it makes sense that the fourth dimesion is movement.
Edit: It also makes sense with the other things. Like it's sitting there in a line. Then it is spread out along a horizontal (or vertical it doesn't matter) plane and then taking the existing one and spreading all over the other plane (the one you didn't use). So that means that the third dimension is the equivelant of the 0 dimension of normal space. Also, it doesn't have to be multiple universes, it could be that it exists in all states at the same time.
And has anyone noticed that we aren't really on the topic of negaticve speed anymore or has that already been solved?
And somebody said something about antimatter. I don't know who but I have an interesting paradox for you. In the laws of physics (I think) it says something about matter cannot be destroyed or created. If that's the case, then what happens to the matter and antimatter particles when they collide? I just thought that was interesting.
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Edit: It also makes sense with the other things. Like it's sitting there in a line. Then it is spread out along a horizontal (or vertical it doesn't matter) plane and then taking the existing one and spreading all over the other plane (the one you didn't use). So that means that the third dimension is the equivelant of the 0 dimension of normal space. Also, it doesn't have to be multiple universes, it could be that it exists in all states at the same time.
And has anyone noticed that we aren't really on the topic of negaticve speed anymore or has that already been solved?
And somebody said something about antimatter. I don't know who but I have an interesting paradox for you. In the laws of physics (I think) it says something about matter cannot be destroyed or created. If that's the case, then what happens to the matter and antimatter particles when they collide? I just thought that was interesting.
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First off, a good way to look at time is using color, like with a grayscale. White is current time, and everything below that is further into the past, with black being the supposed beginning of time.
As for antimatter, its just the exact same combination of the its counterpart, with opposite charges. Its like putting +1 and -1 together, you get a zero, which is actually an explosion or "release" in energy.
QUOTE(Rantent @ May 16 2005, 01:16 AM)
All of that is theoretical, as we have no idea what happens in the center of a black hole. Theoretically there could exsist another universe inside a black hole. The thing is we cannot see into a black hole, because gravity is too strong for anything to escape, therefor we cannot determine what sort of action goes on inside. Things go in, nothing comes out, does that sound like a transportation system to you?
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Hm..i've been considering something. Why is it that a black hole is circular? why is it that it only spreads out in a tornado-like formation. If it were really a single point, wouldnt the outer area be a sphere? There must be more to it then this. And another thing, should the possibility of Black Holes leading somewhere be true, wouldn't it also be true that there is an opposite of a black hole? Not a "white" hole, but something that spews out matter, rather then sucking it in. Seems like something to think over if you ask me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-05-22 at 21:32:28
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But really though, wtf is a hypercube?
InfoWhen matter and anti-matter touch it creates large amounts of energy, most of the time though the energy produced goes back upon itself and forms matter and anti-matter again.
And something that spews out matter is a white hole. If these spewed out anything that had mass. It would spew out and then attract together again. Eventually this would form another black hole or something. Which would eat the white hole.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-05-22 at 22:33:30
QUOTE(Rantent @ May 22 2005, 07:32 PM)
Info
When matter and anti-matter touch it creates large amounts of energy, most of the time though the energy produced goes back upon itself and forms matter and anti-matter again.
And something that spews out matter is a white hole. If these spewed out anything that had mass. It would spew out and then attract together again. Eventually this would form another black hole or something. Which would eat the white hole.
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When matter and anti-matter touch it creates large amounts of energy, most of the time though the energy produced goes back upon itself and forms matter and anti-matter again.
And something that spews out matter is a white hole. If these spewed out anything that had mass. It would spew out and then attract together again. Eventually this would form another black hole or something. Which would eat the white hole.
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Rantent, you've twisted my little game into something else!!! ><
Your refrence to matter and antimatter does not create or destroy energy, nor does it spew it out. Its simply a reaction between charges in energy.
What I meant was that some people suggest that the black hole transports whatever gets through it to somewhere else. Well, if anything DID get through, wouldn't it come out aswell? That would mean that matter would be spewing out of somewhere from something similiar to a black hole, except that rather then sucking matter towards its singular point, it pushes matter out of it that it already sucked at the "black hole" end. Ofcourse, if such a thing doesnt exist, then theres only one explanation for what happens to the stuff in a black hole. What goes in, never comes back out. Now, since I find that that cannot be true since we have never truly lost matter, which is actually compressed energy (anti matter + matter = release of compressed energies), all that ever happens is the spread of energies over larger surfaces, which is sorta reffered to as a loss of energy. So I really do think that somewhere out there, there may be the possibility of a "white hole."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShadowBrood on 2005-05-22 at 22:40:56
Cool as Nozumu is, he kinda ruined the thought of toying with negative speed. It woukd be interesting trying to keep up with your mind trying to figure stuff out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-05-22 at 22:58:41
It stimulates your mind to think about stuff like this, and in an odd sense, provides you with pleasure, curiousity, and possibly even the motivation to figure it out, if you have that kind of willpower and interest in it that is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by O)FaRTy1billion on 2005-05-23 at 23:58:31
Black holes: Where does all that matter go?
They have found black holes suck up stuff, then after its too much it makes giant geyser things on the north and south pole of the Black hole.
See thoes two lines on the top and bottom? that is what I am talking about. (Not sure if that picture is real, but it gives my point. I have seen similar pictures at NASA websites and stuff)
They have found black holes suck up stuff, then after its too much it makes giant geyser things on the north and south pole of the Black hole.
See thoes two lines on the top and bottom? that is what I am talking about. (Not sure if that picture is real, but it gives my point. I have seen similar pictures at NASA websites and stuff)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-05-24 at 00:15:44
Yes! THATS IT! THIS IS WHAT I 'VE NEEDED TO KNOW FOR A LONG TIME!(But have been to lazy to go figure out). This proves so many of my thoughts, and reinforces others! THANK YOU!
And since its not really a hole, I guess we should call it white space, since its filled up now
Antonym of Black Hole: White Space. (I guess, someone else might want to put it more eliquintly)
And since its not really a hole, I guess we should call it white space, since its filled up now
Antonym of Black Hole: White Space. (I guess, someone else might want to put it more eliquintly)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-05-24 at 03:49:43
Although the source may not be accurate, it says this is a 7D hypercube =P