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Nice one.
I'm a Christian, but it's true; to say something as phenomenal as that you need to prove it very slowly step-by-step. God is easier to prove, but it still takes forever!!! Augh!!

Anyways..

I can't believe that this quote hasn't been brought up already.

How do you know, When we die, We are just going to wake up out of a bad nightmare.

Then it will be your "next" life.

Lol, that would be funny if in your next life, you'd probably be something ridiculous like an ephemeral fly or something lol.

Why are we talking about the afterlife all of a sudden when this is a thread about reality?

I don't understand what you are saying...

Most of what we see feel touch and interact with is REAL
It is all made up of matter, matter is real, no madder what anyone says, its what the basic form of everything is matter, it cant just disapper or not be real.

Think Reality hear, the definition of real is accuring in fact or actuality, having a verifiable existence.

which means everything here on earth is real no dout, so in that we have something to do or came from somthing that had been here before or has been revolveing that was real!!!

I believe life is just a big circle where u may think everything died, there will be new life. its a concept that we have yet to discover and is far to complicated to understand

We know were here on earth right now!! what the hell are we doing here, well having fun, or not working, or fighting, etc whatever your doing at the time given. We are just part of the cycle man.

havent you noticed things u study, in school like solar system the way the earth works the weather system, you may find that they have something in common its repeating, it has a reason. its like math, you put in all the variables gravity pullution sun etc whatever others, and what it equals is what it gets thats the reason

well im kind of getting of topic but get the point

I havent been on this site for months, and i get back on and see stuff like this still
hmm the human race is very curious about things, well everything living is somewhat curious

well thats all im saying for now

ADDITION:
all of what you guys say are fairly good apinoins but can you back it up with facts

I function as a logical person

How is it verifiable? Is it because we can actually observe it? What people are saying here is that, what if our senses are wrong, what if the whole world isn't real and we are just imaging it all. Maybe we are perceiving things differently and our brains are interpreting everything in its own way. Btw what does existence mean? How does something exist and something not exist? I just want a concrete definition

That's seriously a good question. Really hard to put a definition on it. Pretty sure it'll have to be pretty long.

Isn't defining existence what we've been trying to do for this whole thread?

No, it's defining reality.

Not wanting to turn this into a religious thread, but I can NEVER show DrunkenWrestler this quote because he's too arrogant!

In other words we have faith that what we observe is real. That's why science is philosophical. To prove that observation and experimentation is true, we have to ASSUME that observation and experimentation actually even works!

In short, the only way to prove this isn't reality is to go beyond this "unreality" and find the true "reality". And unless they can do that, disbelievers of this reality have the burden of proof.

Want prove that reality exists? You're living it in right now. Wether it's THE real one or not, that's up to debate. So, Science is able to prove that THROUGH THIS reality that things are X or Y. Now, to say that there is ANOTHER reality, will cause the burden of proof to rely on you. Cause you're saying something else exists. (Like another reality) And I can see somebody say, well, how do u prove that this IS a reality in the first place?

Simple...

Because we're living in it. You need a reality in order to exist, I don't care what your stance is on that. (Unless you want to get all where did the universe come from, which maybe not even god knows)

Are you a lucid dreamer? Many people aren't, most of the time. And, as far as they know, their dream world is real. Does that make it "real", does it make it solid? No. It goes away when they wake up.
The same could apply to this reality. For all we know, the things that we take for granted and consider real might not be real.



Opinions? What opinions? I see observations and logic, but not opinions.
I'd like you to back something up with facts.

Here, let's play a little game.
Tell me about something that is real. Something that you know, for sure, absolutely, is real. Then tell me what proof you have.

I know you're directing it at him but still..

Something that is absolutely real for sure is EzyDay2's IQ.

If you deny it, then you state that you lack an IQ, meaning all your theories hold no weight in this logical discussion.

Sorry (>.<). I thought it as soon as I read that.

And what if I don't exist?

Not necesarily.
Not having an IQ would not mean having 0 IQ, which means that I can still theoreticaly think, and thus reason—use logic.
And if it is possible for me to think, then, if my theories and logic are valid, then they hold weight, regardless of who thought of them.

How do you know your logic is REAL? Hmmmmm? Maybe you and/or your logic are dreams/illusions. How do you like your own medicine?

I mean, if you talk like that, nothing is real. And it NEVER will be. So call me arrogant for saying that we live in the real world.

The same can NOT be applied to this "reality." It simply can not. For all the things in the, so called "world", could not be imagined. Feelings can not be imagined. They are REAL. Lets say someone punched you in the face. Would you be imagining pain? Also, IF, there is no reality and you're like in some "Matrix" thingy, WHY in the world would you imagine pain? Pain is real. Once you get killed, there is no waking up for you. You don't just "wake" up just saying that you being dead is not real. And how complex would we have to be, IF, there is no reality, to sense everything that we do every single day of our lives? Plus, how can we consider if something is real or not? If you consider something that is not real, then you're saying that you know what IS real? If so, then you must be some kind of "super being" which, knowledgably, don't exist, in reality.

I know this post has a lot of bull, but what the heck.

THERE IS REALITY!!!

Also, lucid dreams can not be compared to reality because reality you have all of you're five senses that helps you go throughout your day. In a lucid dream, if I remembered clearly, which is a dream where you controlled it, and I also include that I am inferring because I never had a lucid dream, you only have your sense of sight, and your sense of touch.

Someone correct me if I am wrong and support it with facts of any kind...

DrunkenWrestler has snidely stated many times to Christians as I will snidely state to you "philosophers":

BURDEN OF PROOF TO THOSE MAKING THE AFFIRMATIVE CLAIM!

If you say something is not real, then tell me, what is something that is real?

Um, I think someone already got pissed when I pointed out that we don't know for sure what "real" is. But I never said that it nothing is real. That's what other people are saying.

I'd like my own medicine plenty if I hadn't ate it so many times before.


They could be made-up as we go along.
Any inconcistencies wouldn't be noticed, because your memory of the world could be changed to fit your current idea, supposing it is all just imaginary.


I'd like to take this moment to say that I have felt more pain in my dreams then I ever have in conciousness. Part of the problem, as has been pointed out, is defining what is "real." I'm saying that this world could just be part of my imagination, and thus not fit my idea of "real"; the same goes for any thought, emotion, or feeling. They exist, but I do not consider them real.


I have noticed that some people seem to like self-pity, or anger, or pain, and so forth.
Perhaps, if this is some imagined world, the pain is caused by a liking and want for discomfort, or something to dislike. Humans seem to like disliking. Some even dislike their like of disliking things.


How do you know this, would you tell me? I don't think yu've been dead before.


I know that vinegar is acid. I know that my computer is not.
But I do not claim to know whether any given objects is acidic.


Please explain to me how you know that God doesn't exist.


Hm. Well, I've heard of lucid dreams merely being dreams in which you know that you're dreaming. But whatever, when I say "lucid", I refer to the knowledge of your being asleep and dreaming.
Anyways, only sight, only touch?
I have tasted things in my dreams. I have felt things in my dreams. I have smelled things in my dreams. I have definitely heard things in my dreams. I've felt pain in my dreams. I've seen in my dreams. I've had emotion in my dreams. In fact, I've had just about everything as far as my own self goes in dreams.
And also, it doesn't matter how many senses we have.
I'm not sure of the name, but certain creatures have the ability to detect electricity, or somesuch. Whatever it is, it's something that humans don't have. But I'm not going to say that our reality is not comparable to those creatures' realities merely because they percieve something we don't.

You know, really, just about the best thing you can say about my saying that nothing is provable, is that, more on what Alpha said, ironicaly, that means it itself cannot be proved, and I thus have no way of knowing if anything that I think or believe is correct. For all I know, there may be someone that has some kind of unexplainable proof, not feeling, not evidence, not faith, that God exists. As I understand it, such a thing is impossible, but by my own beliefs, I can't know if my beliefs are correct.
Of course, I have no way of knowing that, but I don't feel like repeating my inability to know whether it is possible to know or the possibility of proof and... err... I'll shutup now.

If you believe that this is NOT the real world, then that means almost every opinion you have, almost every thing that you believe in is wrong. And therefore, if you try to tell anyone that cars exist, or I wear shoes, and air is what we breathe, then you're hypocrite.

Or maybe it's just easier to accept things the way our little tiny brains think and leave it at that and that's why we have so few philosophers anymore because people get pissed when anyone questions reality. And maybe ExDay is just sitting on the fence being an opinionless person.

Lemme kick you right in the balls, we'll see how pain is real.

It depends what we assume real to actually be. Like the way we define it in our own view. Do we assume that the world around us is real and just accept it as real? Or do we define it as a concept that can't ever be proven through our senses and the way we see the world. Does it really matter whether what we are living in is real? Come to think of it, what can you define as "real" if you can't compare it to something that is "real" then how do you know what true reality is? We created this concept of reality yet we can't define it.

Kick me in my balls here, kick me in my balls in a dream. I'll feel pain either way.
By what I define as "real", something that occurs in a dream, supposing life and the universe are as I percieve them and I'm not some greatly dillusioned freak, isn't real.
But supposing I am some greatly dillusioned freak, then it could be not real.