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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-08 at 22:08:36
Read Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the whole book is pretty much based on the idea that it's impossible to actually know what's going on. It's incredibly entertaining.

Chances are, there are an incredible number of planets that can sustain life, and eventually that life would evolve and slowly become intelligent. But since we have no first hand experience we cannot know if it is possible for intelligent life to escape it's own demise. There are a lot of things that would shorten our life span (as "Earthians") so that we do not invent the technology we need to move on before we die. Those things could be extreme pollution, war (biological poisons especially) and natural disasters like the sun expiring, a giant peice of space junk colliding with the Earth, and a host of things like Ice Ages that eliminated species before us.

So the question would be, is it even possible for a species to beat extintion?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-06-09 at 11:09:14
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 8 2005, 10:08 PM)
Read Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, the whole book is pretty much based on the idea that it's impossible to actually know what's going on. It's incredibly entertaining.
Science fiction is dubbed as such for a reason. While they are based on science, much are still fiction.
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Chances are, there are an incredible number of planets that can sustain life, and eventually that life would evolve and slowly become intelligent.
For this to happen, many requirements need to be met: source of energy, stable planet able to contain atmosphere, and organic compounds. At least, this is what scientists SAY. Just because these are what happened on Earth does not mean it's the only way, but it's nevertheless very hard to find the right environment for life to have developed.
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But since we have no first hand experience we cannot know if it is possible for intelligent life to escape it's own demise. There are a lot of things that would shorten our life span (as "Earthians") so that we do not invent the technology we need to move on before we die. Those things could be extreme pollution, war (biological poisons especially) and natural disasters like the sun expiring, a giant peice of space junk colliding with the Earth, and a host of things like Ice Ages that eliminated species before us.
Pollution and war result from human expansion and development of new technologies mixed with politics. They need to be sorted out somehow, but that's another topic. The sun expiring will not be for a very long time. Space junk have been colliding with Earth, but even mass extinctions have not killed all organisms. Ice ages are controversial, some say we humans are speeding the process up, others say nature's already doing a good job, but either way it's coming. Technology can help us get through them.
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So the question would be, is it even possible for a species to beat extintion?
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Yes, it's called staying alive and producing viable offsprings. Many modern species that have not changed since ancient times can be considered to have "beat extinction", such as roaches, which have remained mostly unchanged for millions of years.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Slyence on 2005-06-09 at 13:29:44
Seriously, This isn't the only planet in the galaxy with life on it... I know for sure there is life somewhere else...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2005-06-09 at 13:43:17
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Sometimes I think that there could be another planet for human beings. They live just like us and are also trying to look for other life forms. They could be considered aliens to us right? Even we are the same race of things.

It depends on who you ask.
If you ask me, they wouldn't be "aliens"; they'd be the same as any other stranger, and thus they're not really new to me.

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before you reach the event horizon youd be shrunk to roughly the size of grain of sand

Maybe if you're already fifty times as dense as the average human...
A grain of sand seems kind of big to me.

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So the question would be, is it even possible for a species to beat extintion?

To live, one must adapt.
Adaptation is change.
After "adapting" a few thousand times, you won't be what you used to be, so, no, you did not beat extinction.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-06-09 at 14:46:29
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To live, one must adapt.
Adaptation is change.
After "adapting" a few thousand times, you won't be what you used to be, so, no, you did not beat extinction.
Lamarck's theory of evolution was proven wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-09 at 15:12:46
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For this to happen, many requirements need to be met: source of energy, stable planet able to contain atmosphere, and organic compounds. At least, this is what scientists SAY. Just because these are what happened on Earth does not mean it's the only way, but it's nevertheless very hard to find the right environment for life to have developed.

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Yes, it's called staying alive and producing viable offsprings. Many modern species that have not changed since ancient times can be considered to have "beat extinction", such as roaches, which have remained mostly unchanged for millions of years.

Dolt.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-06-09 at 17:08:14
It's called Biology, not Dolt. You asked how to beat extinction, and I told it to you. Have you taken Biology yet? If not, I can explain more thoroughly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2005-06-10 at 03:50:58
don't get too violent...
my thoughts.
UNDECIDED.
why? its a theory.
Conspiracy isn't true yet.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-10 at 03:58:51
I'm gonna marry a hot alien babe, and be like, "Yo, we're all god's children. Well, wait. If we're all god's children, then that means we're all rela.......................that's just wrong."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TDT-DaRkFiRe on 2005-06-10 at 06:15:02
Well, you should take the odds. How big are the odds of an planet supporting life? How big are the odds of it evolving walking creatures? How big are the odds of them being intelligent? The odds that they are farther evolved is very likely, since human-kind is not really old.. But yes, I am convinced of there being life in outer-space. So many planet systems with suns...

Btw, black hole's are like tunnels trough space, like a tunnel trough a mountain...

oh and btw, I think if we meet another ''intelligent'' species, they would act ''intelligent'' and not destroy us. Because if there so intelligent, they already have shit like food replicators and Cold Fusion or something similiar. They wouldnt really gain something from destroying us. I also dont think entire species would be hunting the universe for some prized new species to catch. Thats just shit to make a movie fun. blink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-06-10 at 19:56:10
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I also dont think entire species would be hunting the universe for some prized new species to catch. Thats just shit to make a movie fun.  blink.gif
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Ah, but you forget the fact that all creatures need to be entertained. I bet you that somewhere out there, an alien is laughing their ass(should they even have one) off watching us fight amongst ourselves like the dipshits we are.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2005-06-11 at 02:45:35
krazy, you briefly mentioned Planet X in your first post.

Planet X does not exist!

Now that I cleared that up. Yes aliens exist, the universe is too big.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2005-06-11 at 05:10:10
I think there would be life outside of earth...I have heard that there were life on Venus a long time ago but who knows...and recently I have heard Mars had life a long time ago too. People are wondering why mars is so red colored for a planet...and some researchers found out that Mars is red due to rusted heated iron or something on the planet..Well what causes rust? Obviously water or liquid. Thats kind of interesting when you think about that...It would also be a possiblity of life just starting on a planet.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .matrix//Merovingian on 2005-06-11 at 14:22:20
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Ah, but you forget the fact that all creatures need to be entertained. I bet you that somewhere out there, an alien is laughing their ass(should they even have one) off watching us fight amongst ourselves like the dipshits we are.
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Well, unless they're Predators or Goa'uld, surely they should've developed their own forms of entertainment that don't revolve around watching humans kill each other.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-06-11 at 20:41:28
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Well, unless they're Predators or Goa'uld, surely they should've developed their own forms of entertainment that don't revolve around watching humans kill each other.
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4 words:

Never miss an opportunity. tongue.gif

Remember the mexican cockfights? Bigger, stronger creatures watching smaller, weaker creatures fighting one another to entertain themselves. I don't see why the possibility should be any different here.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-06-12 at 10:05:58
I say the existance of aliens is as probable as th existance of some higher being/creator.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-12 at 10:17:12
How... Is it that hard to believe that out of trillions of solar systems there wouldn't be any other planet able to support life? That's as narrow minded as people who thought the Earth was the center of the universe. No offence to religious people, but that's purly a matter of faith, you either believe he (or she or it depending on your faith) exist, you don't, or you're indiffrent about it and occasionally use refrences to God, but without any deep seriousness.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-12 at 10:52:08
If life exists out there most of it will not be intelligent. Maybe jellyfish or something. =/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KrAzY on 2005-06-12 at 11:06:25
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krazy, you briefly mentioned Planet X in your first post.

Planet X does not exist!

Now that I cleared that up. Yes aliens exist, the universe is too big.
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Dude, it's a blue cold planet way farther than Pluto... wil take 40 years to get there with a space shuttle.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-14 at 19:10:19
That doesn't really undermind that site's claim. They use fancy science stuff like, gravity. I found it pretty interesting actually.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-14 at 19:46:44
Btw, what's the actual definition of "living" and organic. If we saw an alien how would we know what it was?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2005-06-15 at 08:59:17
my definition of living is something that moves... that has free will of thinking, acting and etc.
See? Have you seen meet the fockers? Moses a dog who humps anything that moves... its a dog... stupid but humps anything that moves. simple
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-06-19 at 22:40:56
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One day the aliens will come; if Earth can support life, why can't the rest of this huge universe? The aliens will not be friendly; all organisms must kill to survive, or else BE killed. But we may destroy ourselves long before the aliens; mere wars used to determine a civilization's survival, but today there are even more obstacles preventing us from uniting. Hope is not lost yet; but with so many points of view, which ones should we listen to?

In response to this:
War is the only way we will ever be united. Due to what he said, points of view, not everyone is gonna join us. Just as Phillip of Macedon united Greece. Through war.

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krazy, you briefly mentioned Planet X in your first post.

Planet X does not exist!

Now that I cleared that up. Yes aliens exist, the universe is too big.

Unless it wasn't a planet but a spaceship! Like in Halo 2, it was their homeworld. (Yes I know this probably wasn't the case but I can dream.)

If it was a planet, the sumerian guy in the link said it came after pluto. That was 4000 years ago. In 4000 years, it could of left the gravitational field of the sun and drifted outwards.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KrAzY on 2005-06-20 at 10:41:16
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Btw, what's the actual definition of "living" and organic. If we saw an alien how would we know what it was?
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It could look like zerg(starcraft), protoss(starcraft), covenents (Halo 2), area 51 (A game), bugs (Starship Troopers), skaarj (Unreal Tournament) or humans.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-06-20 at 11:45:38
They could actually look just like humans too. We just really never know until we've seen them.

Until then, i'll continue to picture them as green aliens with cone heads and big black eyes.
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