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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-07 at 19:33:37
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It's not hard to be white, im just saying that if anyone's racist these days, its them.

"Them" Word of advice, don't say that. For one it's a generalization, based on a few people you've never gotten to know. Saying them in itself, is pretty racist, because them, is kind of derrogatory. It's derrogatory because you don't even think it's worth your time to name names.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-06-07 at 19:35:07
Pronouns are used when the subject is already known.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-07 at 19:40:07
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 7 2005, 06:04 PM)
I agree... but I'm unsure what you mean by Liberals... maybe you just mean the Liberal party, because liberal is just an incredibly fair way of thinking.
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When I meant ultra liberal, I meant someone that is almost 100% lefty. (I consider myself a liberal now. However, I still agree with some conservative things)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-07 at 20:11:14
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Pronouns are used when the subject is already known.

So it's fair to group all non whites in one place? I don't think so. That's not even based on culture, because "they" would all have diffrent cultures. It's bullshit to think asian people could get away with saying things like censored.gif and cracker or whatever.

Seriously, you'll get your ass kicked for saying "they" and if you really did mean most of all those races you're really a jackass. 25 people you've met for 10 seconds saying stuff that is anti-white, doesn't jusitfy saying the entire race is like that. Even if it is 100% of those you've met, it just means you live in a wierd neighborhood.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tdnfthe1 on 2005-06-07 at 21:03:09
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So it's fair to group all non whites in one place? I don't think so. That's not even based on culture, because "they" would all have diffrent cultures. It's bullshit to think asian people could get away with saying things like  censored.gif  and cracker or whatever.

Seriously, you'll get your ass kicked for saying "they" and if you really did mean most of all those races you're really a jackass. 25 people you've met for 10 seconds saying stuff that is anti-white, doesn't jusitfy saying the entire race is like that. Even if it is 100% of those you've met, it just means you live in a wierd neighborhood.
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Someone is paranoid despite being on the top of the social and economical ladder.

For one your whole thing on generalization made little sense. When he says "they" it doesn't always or even usually mean a remark in a derrogatorized form. It simply was used to address all the "whites" who are racist. It didn't say all whites are racist, just a way to show which race has the majority of racist people, in his opinion.

I see you said that where you live there is alot of prejudice(or prejudism.). Seriously i doubt it's just because you're white, it's probably just a tool to be able to mess with you(this happens in all forms of life). I'm not saying this IS what your situation is, i'm saying it sounded like this.

But for the racial record, prejudice and prejudging is good and bad. Let's make it this simple, let's say someone sees a black man walking around a clothing store. He follows him around the store and tries to report him to security saying he's stealing things. The black man is really an Employee stocking clothes, and taking them to a truck for storage keeping. Now the employee sues the man. Prejudice is now illegal(just saying they find a way to produce it). Now 2 days later a different white man is walking down the main street. 4 black men are on a collision path with him. Prejudice being against the law, he feels no danger in them being 5 black young men walking by him, they seem like 5 white men. They walk by him, one turns back, stabs him, takes all his money phone and sunglasses, and runs off with his buddies. Prejudice or Prejudging coulda saved this man from a shanking. The world can't live without prejudging, the day we can live without prejudging another human being is when we don't have to. I don't believe that day can come in our presents condition.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-06-07 at 21:09:20
Hmm... They as in the racists. Psycho, mellow out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-07 at 21:20:47
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It simply was used to address all the "whites" who are racist. It didn't say all whites are racist, just a way to show which race has the majority of racist people, in his opinion.

I thought he was talking about non-whites being racist, in my post I made that painfully clear.
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It's not hard to be white, im just saying that if anyone's racist these days, its them.

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I see you said that where you live there is alot of prejudice(or prejudism.)

No, there's hardly any.
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Seriously i doubt it's just because you're white, it's probably just a tool to be able to mess with you(this happens in all forms of life). I'm not saying this IS what your situation is, i'm saying it sounded like this.

I'm the one saying that people shouldn't be complaining about a little racism against whites, are you illiterate... it's like talking to a wall.
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4 black men are on a collision path with him. Prejudice being against the law, he feels no danger in them being 5 black young men walking by him, they seem like 5 white men. They walk by him, one turns back, stabs him, takes all his money phone and sunglasses, and runs off with his buddies. Prejudice or Prejudging coulda saved this man from a shanking.

That was incredibly racist... 5 white men aren't any less suspicious than 5 black men, if you're smart you won't walk down dark alleys alone. Gangs are gangs, if you see a group of people approaching you don't be an idiot, go to a place with a lot of people.
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The world can't live without prejudging, the day we can live without prejudging another human being is when we don't have to. I don't believe that day can come in our presents condition.

Not with that attitude.
Refering to post 31.
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It's not hard to be white, im just saying that if anyone's racist these days, its them.

So if anyones racist... it's the racists? A profound discovery.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-06-07 at 21:22:46
Exactly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-07 at 21:23:46
That's clearly not what you meant =/ Not after all those post before.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-07 at 21:36:01
hey, its ok to be conservative when thinking about this, did you know the republican party freed the slaves?

But I geuss its not hard being white, its just annoying as hell when your talking and then out of the blue some one is like, "Yo! WTF dawg" and Im like "What I say?" its stupid, I wasn't even being racist or even saying anything about minority groups, I was talking about a movie.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-07 at 21:39:57
Simple solution to that is, don't hang around annoying people =/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-07 at 21:41:12
I didn't know he was there, he was behind me and like turned me around, I was like wow Im not even talking to you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-07 at 21:49:39
Then you can explain the situation and he'll feel like a dumbass and won't do it again. Just be like "I was talking about a movie, who are you?"

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tdnfthe1 on 2005-06-07 at 23:30:25
QUOTE(PsychoTemplar @ Jun 7 2005, 07:20 PM)
I thought he was talking about non-whites being racist, in my post I made that painfully clear.
No, there's hardly any.

I'm the one saying that people shouldn't be complaining about a little racism against whites, are you illiterate... it's like talking to a wall.

That was incredibly racist... 5 white men aren't any less suspicious than 5 black men, if you're smart you won't walk down dark alleys alone. Gangs are gangs, if you see a group of people approaching you don't be an idiot, go to a place with a lot of people.

Not with that attitude.
Refering to post 31.

So if anyones racist... it's the racists? A profound discovery.
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I wont do the stupid quote piece thing, i'll just piece off each piece of your replying post where you feel annoyed.

1)Painfully clear? If you read my post clearfully, you would have noticed that portion was retaining to your "they" post. I'm not even going to go into it cuz you made a very nice leap right there, off a cliff...
2)I said that this is what your typing looked like, because you gave a pessimistic view point.
3)Illeterate? I'm pretty sure i read between the lines, maybe you should start reading letter-by letter, and oh yeah same thing as above.
4)It was Racist? It's fact. If you see 5 black men walking down the street on a collision course with you, the average man who doesn't know them will prejudge them as a threat. It's normal to do so. Is it fair? No, but of course it is implied through american-lifestyle. It's like expecting a snake to bite you, if he feels hungry it will, if it's not hungry it wont, and of course if it isn't the type to eat people, it wont. And who said they were gang-members? Or if it was an alley? I coulda swore i said street... You can't just assume at stuff and then tell people they are illeterate. Don't get paranoid now.
5)That's just the neutrality standpoint, it's not an attitude, it's simply fact. People will prejudge for a long time; food, personality, people, buildings, homes, animals, countries, etc. And prejudice is just believing negative things about someone because they are this race, no matter how hard anyone tries to deny it, everyone has prejudice inside of them. Only when they are surprisingly filled with emotion will people(probably like you) burst it out.
6)No need for cocky remarks, if you feel you understand something leave it at that, he simply stated an opinion. What's wrong with that?

Oh yeah, and what's wrong with Racism and prejudice? Define the things wrong with it. I'm sure people can name a few.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-06-08 at 00:05:20
I dont think there's anything wrong with judging someone because of the way they look TO AN EXTENT. Prejudice is just judging someone on the way they look. That's what makes us different. If you see a beautiful woman and an obese woman with moles and warts, you would probably talk to the beautiful woman before the other one. That's Prejudism.

Racism, however I have a problem with. Racism is showing hate to every single person in a specific race.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tdnfthe1 on 2005-06-08 at 00:40:57
QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ Jun 7 2005, 10:05 PM)
I dont think there's anything wrong with judging someone because of the way they look TO AN EXTENT.  Prejudice is just judging someone on the way they look.  That's what makes us different.  If you see a beautiful woman and an obese woman with moles and warts, you would probably talk to the beautiful woman before the other one.  That's Prejudism.

Racism, however I have a problem with.  Racism is showing hate to every single person in a specific race.
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Yay someone saw the difference. Yes, racism is different from prejudice. Racism is based on alot of prejudism though. So we have to find a way to learn what kind of prejudism is insecure and which isn't. But i think we should start with ourselves first before we(americans) try and go do more out in the world...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Revelade on 2005-06-08 at 02:24:40
QUOTE(Tdnfthe1 @ Jun 7 2005, 08:03 PM)
But for the racial record, prejudice and prejudging is good and bad. Let's make it this simple, let's say someone sees a black man walking around a clothing store. He follows him around the store and tries to report him to security saying he's stealing things. The black man is really an Employee stocking clothes, and taking them to a truck for storage keeping. Now the employee sues the man. Prejudice is now illegal(just saying they find a way to produce it). Now 2 days later a different white man is walking down the main street. 4 black men are on a collision path with him. Prejudice being against the law, he feels no danger in them being 5 black young men walking by him, they seem like 5 white men. They walk by him, one turns back, stabs him, takes all his money phone and sunglasses, and runs off with his buddies. Prejudice or Prejudging coulda saved this man from a shanking. The world can't live without prejudging, the day we can live without prejudging another human being is when we don't have to. I don't believe that day can come in our presents condition.
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Quite possibly the worst example ever. What if we replaced the word "black" with white, and "white" with black? Would the opposite be necessarily true?

Racism is a form of prejudice, while prejudice is more general. There are many "-ists" like heightists, sexists, ethnocentrists, ageists, etc.

White people do have the fortunate history of less racial tension, but many other races do not. The Chinese, Mexican, and Native Americans for example were hated by white America in WW2, EVEN after dying for the country. The whole world would be a better place if we were all blind honestly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-08 at 15:13:43
I'm going to get the definition of prejudice out of the way so you don't say anything stupid by accident.
Prejudice: An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
Facts like obese women are ugly, so you should avoid looking at them, is not prejudice.

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I wont do the stupid quote piece thing, i'll just piece off each piece of your replying post where you feel annoyed.

Don't worry, I will. That way you'll know exactly what I'm reffering to instead thinking I have the idea that "If there are two things and ones bad, it's the other one".

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1)Painfully clear? If you read my post clearfully, you would have noticed that portion was retaining to your "they" post. I'm not even going to go into it cuz you made a very nice leap right there, off a cliff...

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"Them" Word of advice, don't say that. For one it's a generalization, based on a few people you've never gotten to know. Saying them in itself, is pretty racist, because them, is kind of derrogatory. It's derrogatory because you don't even think it's worth your time to name names.

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2)I said that this is what your typing looked like, because you gave a pessimistic view point.

That's a weak excuse. Read everything.
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3)Illeterate? I'm pretty sure i read between the lines, maybe you should start reading letter-by letter, and oh yeah same thing as above.

I said NON-WHITES.
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4)It was Racist? It's fact. If you see 5 black men walking down the street on a collision course with you, the average man who doesn't know them will prejudge them as a threat. It's normal to do so. Is it fair? No, but of course it is implied through american-lifestyle. It's like expecting a snake to bite you, if he feels hungry it will, if it's not hungry it wont, and of course if it isn't the type to eat people, it wont. And who said they were gang-members? Or if it was an alley? I coulda swore i said street... You can't just assume at stuff and then tell people they are illeterate. Don't get paranoid now.

If you spell illiterate wrong one more time... People aren't going to try to mug you in a group of 5 if there are 50 other people walking on the street nearby. If you think they would you're mental. 5 white people approching you is just as bad as 5 black people. Would you be more comfortable if 5 white men with crowbars ran up to you as apposed to 5 black men with crowbars? I wouldn't.
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5)That's just the neutrality standpoint, it's not an attitude, it's simply fact. People will prejudge for a long time; food, personality, people, buildings, homes, animals, countries, etc. And prejudice is just believing negative things about someone because they are this race, no matter how hard anyone tries to deny it, everyone has prejudice inside of them. Only when they are surprisingly filled with emotion will people(probably like you) burst it out.

I don't know about you, but I like to reason before I come to conclusions... maybe it's just a rare talent. Slander me one more time, see where it gets you.
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6)No need for cocky remarks, if you feel you understand something leave it at that, he simply stated an opinion. What's wrong with that?

"All non-whites are white hating assholes" "Shutup you racist sack of shit" who's wrong here?
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Oh yeah, and what's wrong with Racism and prejudice? Define the things wrong with it. I'm sure people can name a few.

Judging anything based on no fact is a dumb idea. That's what's wrong with it. If you mean the many times in history people have been watched do to being at war with other members of their people, I guess that's sort of smart in some ways; but we usually take it to an uneccessary extreme, that isn't.

Again,
Prejudice: An adverse judgment or opinion formed beforehand or without knowledge or examination of the facts.
That means thinking someone who is older, is probably smarter is not prejudice, because although there are exceptions, the more experience one has the better they are likly to be at said task.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by hynk on 2005-06-08 at 16:08:04
Racism... Boo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Racism is just gay, people shouldn't make fun of others because of their racial status. With more races in the world, we have a more diverse planet. For you discrimitive, racist people, like Adorf Hitler, out there, censored.gif you!

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Would you be more comfortable if 5 white men with crowbars ran up to you as apposed to 5 black men with crowbars? I wouldn't.
What if you were black?

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Judging anything based on no fact is a dumb idea. That's what's wrong with it. If you mean the many times in history people have been watched do to being at war with other members of their people, I guess that's sort of smart in some ways; but we usually take it to an uneccessary extreme, that isn't.
I agree, judging anything with no facts to support your hypothisis is just plan stupid.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-08 at 16:10:07
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hey, its ok to be conservative when thinking about this, did you know the republican party freed the slaves?

But I geuss its not hard being white, its just annoying as hell when your talking and then out of the blue some one is like, "Yo! WTF dawg" and Im like "What I say?" its stupid, I wasn't even being racist or even saying anything about minority groups, I was talking about a movie.
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Ya, but the republicans were the liberal side at the time. While the south was the democratic conservative side at the time. Conservatives freeing slaves, that's 100% hilarious. That's like saying hitler was freeing jews in WW II. That's down right ignorant.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-06-08 at 19:30:56
This whole racism thing... it was and is a question of majorities and minorities, power and weakness.

When white people came to Africa, they were considerably technologically advanced compared to the Africans. They saw that the Africans were poorly organised and easy targets, so they exploited them, and racism grew out of the technological superiority of white Europeans (by white, I also mean hispanic, as Spain and Portugal were major world powers at the time).

Imagine an alternative scenario, where Europe was discovered by technologically advanced African people. The Europeans were technologically backwards, so the Africans did the natural human thing to do (unfortunately) and exploited them for their own gain. Racism was generated towards white people because they were seen as inferior technologically. If you take this scenario into account, you can see that white people are not inherently racist and evil - all races are the same - and will oppress a less technologically advanced race because they can easily dominate them.

Also, racism is always directed by a majority, against a minority (or by the powerful against the powerless). We traditionally think of white people being racist towards other races, and they are in our societies, but take the country of Zimbabwe (formerly Southern Rhodesia) as an opposing case. In Zimbabwe - white people are victimised by a black majority under crazed dictator Robert Mugabe. There was a spate of murders or white farmers a few years back, and Mugabe still seizes land from the farmers. It would be unfair to say that a majority of the black people in Zimbabwe are involved in the racism - it's only a smal proportion - just as it is only a small proportion of white people who commit acts of racism against black people. The difference in Zimbabwe is that the racists have government support.

Although this ramble doesn't really have a point, I'd like to say that racism seems to be an inherent characteristic in humans which isn't going to go away. Some humans must have a racist gene or something.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-08 at 19:48:44
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Racism is just gay

Prejudice against gays is just as bad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-06-08 at 20:10:14
Dont worry, he's just 10. Alot of 10 year olds say "gay" way too much. Its just a phase, he'll get over it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-08 at 20:24:37
According to his profile he's almost 15 =/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-06-08 at 20:27:13
...i didnt look. Anyways, like 80% of people on the internet lie their age anyway.
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