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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-10 at 00:23:57
There you go again, ruining all the fun. sad.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-06-10 at 00:31:31
QUOTE(hynk @ Jun 9 2005, 06:07 PM)
Bush is a jackass, I don't know how he got re-elected, or even elected for that matter.
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Your a complete god damned jackass son of a bitch. Everything you've said in this entire thread sounds like something an 11 year old kid would say to his father so that his father could correct him. Bush isn't a jackass, he's a terrific president that wants our country to be safe from being nuked or 9/11 happening again. Just because he mispronounces words occasionally doesn't mean he's stupid or a jackass, and he's sure as hell better than John Kerry, who is a lying sadistic power hungry bastard.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-06-10 at 00:51:38
QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ Jun 9 2005, 08:31 PM)
and he's sure as hell better than John Kerry, who is a lying sadistic power hungry bastard.
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That I do agree with. But, Bush is an ignorant idiot fighting for the wrong things. The "Iraqi Liberation" is just a front.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by .matrix//Merovingian on 2005-06-10 at 01:29:45
QUOTE(FallenDreamer @ Jun 9 2005, 07:10 PM)
3. All humans unite under a common cause(fighting off the Covenant =P).
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It's not just the Covies, you know. How about the Zerg? tongue.gif

By the way, all politicians are lying, sadistic, power-hungry bastards. It's not just Bush and Kerry, you narrow-minded louts.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-06-10 at 01:42:58
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jun 9 2005, 10:23 PM)
There you go again, ruining all the fun. sad.gif
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Zip it. I can't legally drive a car yet, I have all the right to ruin your damn fun.

QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ Jun 9 2005, 10:31 PM)
Your a complete god damned jackass son of a bitch.  Everything you've said in this entire thread sounds like something an 11 year old kid would say to his father so that his father could correct him.  Bush isn't a jackass, he's a terrific president that wants our country to be safe from being nuked or 9/11 happening again.  Just because he mispronounces words occasionally doesn't mean he's stupid or a jackass, and he's sure as hell better than John Kerry, who is a lying sadistic power hungry bastard.
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Um....Yes, Kerry sucks....yes, Bush is better then Kerry.....no, Bush is still a mislead fool. We don't really need to be in Iraq...he wants it for the oil, I'm guessing, and the War is an excuse. But he would be better off spending all the war funds on ways to research new forms of energy, or develope a fully functional and SAFE nuclear fusion engine, or something totally awesome like that. Or, they could just dump it into fuel cell developement and speed up the mass production of fuel cells. I mean, seriously, a "simplified" water for fuel thats BETTER then oil? Thats f***ing awesome! But Bush won't do it, cuz it'll mess it up for his damn oil company, and he'd rather make wads of cash for himself then make an economically helpful fuel source.

QUOTE(-Jake- @ Jun 9 2005, 10:51 PM)
That I do agree with. But, Bush is an ignorant idiot fighting for the wrong things. The "Iraqi Liberation" is just a front.
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Same as above.

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QUOTE(.matrix//Merovingian @ Jun 9 2005, 11:29 PM)
It's not just the Covies, you know. How about the Zerg? tongue.gif

By the way, all politicians are lying, sadistic, power-hungry bastards. It's not just Bush and Kerry, you narrow-minded louts.
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I don't think reffering to starcraft is a good example, because remember that the confederates, the UED, the dominion, and raynor's boys are all at eachother's throats. So they aren't really united.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-06-10 at 02:10:36
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So they aren't really united.
Have you heard the names democrats and republicans have been calling each other? I mean Howard Dean has a history, but some of the other political leaders...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-06-10 at 02:31:52
QUOTE(Rantent @ Jun 10 2005, 12:10 AM)
Have you heard the names democrats and republicans have been calling each other? I mean Howard Dean has a history, but some of the other political leaders...
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Ah, so youre saying were going confed and dominion? That we may end up at eachother's throats like in SC? .... or am I just too sleepy for my own good?huh.gif

plz do explain, my brain is incapabale of understanding the obvious right now...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-10 at 03:41:25
QUOTE(.matrix//Merovingian @ Jun 10 2005, 12:29 AM)
It's not just the Covies, you know. How about the Zerg? tongue.gif

By the way, all politicians are lying, sadistic, power-hungry bastards. It's not just Bush and Kerry, you narrow-minded louts.
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Damn you matrix, you censored.gif slapped the dumbasses before me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Bringer on 2005-06-10 at 13:08:59
War, War, War.... It is a great thing. Hitler was just trying to do what the Romans did and that was conquer and murder the weak(example: French and Jews for Hitler). Wasn't for wars technology wouldn't advance and we wouldn't be able to talk to each other on this forum right now if people werent trying to find better ways to kill each other. I want Wars and slaughters that justify no means. War is just a built in Human feature straight off the assembly line just like evrything else.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-06-10 at 14:33:43
Hitler... he's a funny guy. He wanted the world to have blue eyes and blonde hair when he didn't have those qualities himself, and then he allies with japan... and japanese people don't have blonde hair and blue eyes.... funny man.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-06-10 at 14:38:20
He would of broke the pact if he succeded, as he had done with Russia earlier. You don't lose a chance like that to get an ally.

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Um....Yes, Kerry sucks....yes, Bush is better then Kerry.....no, Bush is still a mislead fool. We don't really need to be in Iraq...he wants it for the oil, I'm guessing, and the War is an excuse. But he would be better off spending all the war funds on ways to research new forms of energy, or develope a fully functional and SAFE nuclear fusion engine, or something totally awesome like that. Or, they could just dump it into fuel cell developement and speed up the mass production of fuel cells. I mean, seriously, a "simplified" water for fuel thats BETTER then oil? Thats f***ing awesome! But Bush won't do it, cuz it'll mess it up for his damn oil company, and he'd rather make wads of cash for himself then make an economically helpful fuel source.


You act like technology is a simple matter of giving money to researchers, and boom, we have a fuel-efficient car.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-10 at 17:28:20
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You act like technology is a simple matter of giving money to researchers, and boom, we have a fuel-efficient car.


Yea, I read this thing about ways that hydrogen fuel cell cars are overhyped, and how it won't be a viable source of energy for a long time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-06-10 at 19:33:02
QUOTE(DevliN_ @ Jun 10 2005, 12:38 PM)
You act like technology is a simple matter of giving money to researchers, and boom, we have a fuel-efficient car.
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I don't mean it in that way, I'm just saying that wouldn't it be a better idea to try and fund research for finding an alternative to fuel & energy?

QUOTE(devilesk @ Jun 10 2005, 03:28 PM)
Yea, I read this thing about ways that hydrogen fuel cell cars are overhyped, and how it won't be a viable source of energy for a long time.
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Really? Where at? I'd like to read it too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-11 at 00:34:27
Funding does help research greatly. Not only does it help motivate scientists, but it also lets them obtain certain equipment and materials. If we were to, oh say, I don't know, cut part of the NASA budget for just a couple years, we should have more than enough money to find a new type of fuel source. I mean, we already have multiple types of fuel sources, but we can find better ones, or upgrade the ones we already have.

But if you had to ask me, I say don't do it, because once a better fuel source is found, oil prices will start to drop, and certain people who own certain oil companies, will start to become bankrupt through time. I mean, I feel bad for those people. The ones that live like kings. It just breaks my heart when they have to go from kings, to just filthy rich. It makes me want to get up and sign up for the military. so when I'm out there in the cold dry desert, I will know that, I helped ensure that the king would be able to remain living his life like a king.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-06-11 at 01:19:29
Even though hydrogen is the most abundent element on Earth, pure hydrogen is very scarce. The only way to find pure hydrogen is extract it from existing materials, but the process of doing pollutes the enviroment and consumes energy, defeating the point of using it.

We need to master cold-fusion. tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-11 at 02:24:21
Yes, we should try and find a different source of fuel. But at the moment that would be bad for our economy. Think of all the many gas stations that would go out of business. The whole auto industry would have to do a complete 180 degree turn around to reform their businesses to this new energy source, which costs money. Where would all the cars we drive now go? You can't just throw money at scientists before you have a plan. We threw money at scientist many, many years ago to develope cold fusion and do we have it now? nope, we don't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-06-11 at 02:34:57
QUOTE(DevliN_ @ Jun 10 2005, 11:19 PM)
Even though hydrogen is the most abundent element on Earth, pure hydrogen is very scarce. The only way to find pure hydrogen is extract it from existing materials, but the process of doing pollutes the enviroment and consumes energy, defeating the point of using it.

We need to master cold-fusion. tongue.gif
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What about Hydrolosis? and as for the whole fuel cell thing, they don't just run on hydrogen, although its probably the most economically efficient fuel type for the fuel cell.

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QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jun 11 2005, 12:24 AM)
Yes, we should try and find a different source of fuel.  But at the moment that would be bad for our economy.  Think of all the many gas stations that would go out of business.  The whole auto industry would have to do a complete 180 degree turn around to reform their businesses to this new energy source, which costs money.  Where would all the cars we drive now go?  You can't just throw money at scientists before you have a plan.  We threw money at scientist many, many years ago to develope cold fusion and do we have it now? nope, we don't.
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Dude, F*** the economy. This isn't about that, really. Its about ensuring that the world keeps working. And it just so happens that the world, for the moment, runs on oil, which is being depleted, and will eventually be gone for good. If we were to find better, more reliable sources of fuel(As Alpha so graciously stated), oil would be a thing of the past. I mean, its not just gonna happen in a day or something. The Oil market will collapse over time, but look at the bright side, today's people r current job hoppers, so even if they lose their current jobs, they will most likely be able to grab another. It's just how people are required to live because of society. Anyway, if you ask me, I think that sacrificing our economy is better in the long run then sacrificing the whole damn order of things. Besides, if we developed that energy first....we could sell it off...and be filthy rich once more wink.gif(Its best to put in info that will catch the eye of both sides, ne?)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by hynk on 2005-06-11 at 08:11:01
I've heard that Chinese scientists are trying to develop a artifical fuel cell. Kind of like... artifical natural gas.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-11 at 12:05:13
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jun 11 2005, 01:24 AM)
Yes, we should try and find a different source of fuel.  But at the moment that would be bad for our economy.  Think of all the many gas stations that would go out of business.  The whole auto industry would have to do a complete 180 degree turn around to reform their businesses to this new energy source, which costs money.  Where would all the cars we drive now go?  You can't just throw money at scientists before you have a plan.  We threw money at scientist many, many years ago to develope cold fusion and do we have it now? nope, we don't.
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Chris, you do make a very good point. But you see, when we do start to use the new fuel source, it'll be way over priced at 1st, and no one will really use it. It'll slowly become cheaper, (and I'm more than POSITIVE that the government would be keeping a very close eye on it) and within I'm guessing a couple decades, it'll be the major fuel source in the world. And our enconomy would easily be able to adapt to it. Espeically if it gets a 20 year cushion.

But the thing I'm not getting is, our government isn't really caring about finding a new fuel source right now. They havn't really tried yet. Like, honestly tried. They know they can incorporate it into the world market and have it help it, but they don't know if it'll help them or someone else. And they're more than happy with what they got, considering they now have the oil in Iraq. Which was a good move if you ask me. Only thing they need to worry about now, is that their oil doesn't become obsolete. To ensure that oil would still have a value to it for the next few more decades.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-06-11 at 14:38:03
What I ment was that the people in power (government people, business owners, etc..) most likely aren't going to want to change at the moment. That was what I was kind of going for in my earlier post.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-11 at 20:19:46
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Jun 11 2005, 01:38 PM)
What I ment was that the people in power (government people, business owners, etc..) most likely aren't going to want to change at the moment.  That was what I was kind of going for in my earlier post.
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Yes, I agree 100% with you on that as well.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-06-11 at 20:47:00
Suppose we start a new topic, concerning next-gen fuel? Because thats what its turning into anyway... Nevermind, I'll do the honors.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-06-12 at 00:48:03
There's enough fossil fuels to last this world another 750 years... It's of no concern right now... Luckily we have started drilling in ANWR (Alaska National Wildlife Refuge). If John Kerry was in office, he previously stated there would be no drilling in Alaska (even though he flip flops more than a fish on land). If he followed through with that gas prices would be around $3 a gallon. Hopefully we continue drilling their considering we never know what's going to happen with these Middle Eastern countries. I don't even see why we need to talk about new alternate power or fuel efficient cars...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-06-12 at 01:43:49
750 years? who told you that?

I will be honest with you, my reference is about only 70 years and that's from 2 of my science teachers. They might've been misinformed. Then again, you might've been as well.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by hynk on 2005-06-12 at 07:56:36
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There's enough fossil fuels to last this world another 750 years... I don't even see why we need to talk about new alternate power or fuel efficient cars...
Uhh... don't cars run off natural gas?


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There's enough fossil fuels to last this world another 750 years...
Dude... 750 years... are you sure it wasn't 75 years?
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