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War is a sort of useless thing. We all should know about the two World Wars that happened. But why? Why do people have to fight? War is just stupid. As we speak, people could be fighting amonst something. We have lost many lives to war and fighting, so what would happen if we never had the 2 World Wars, what would our lives be like then?

Im sorry, but i have to say this.

You stupid dumb tree-hugging hippie. Dude, if there werent any wars then wed be controlled by hitler. o god. I cant even do this, you know what it would be like without any wars! SWEET JESUS!!

If there weren't any wars, Hitler wouldn't have a army to control us... because no one would fight...

hynk, take a History course. People fight because they need to defend themselves. People start fights because they believe they are right, you can't change that. Do you want to know why Hitler came into power? Take a course. But here's a hint, the only other option at the time was communism, and middle class voters didn't want that. The average human isn't hard to manipulate.

It's like saying "Why can't we just form one big collective nation". We don't all believe the same thing.

I have taken a history class, but thanks for the suggestion anyway. I know people start silly fights to defend themselves, but its all rather stupid. Why can't people just get along, with or without the same beliefs?

I meant a real history course... as in studying in great detail the 20st century (1900). This course is offered in highschool at grade ten. Since you were born in 1990 I doubt you're in this grade. If you have taken a grade ten history course about the 20th century the stuff you're learning is probably incredibly biased. Here's something most Americans don't know, Canada had it's own beach to take on D-Day.

I'll fight if someone threatens my life or someone just as innocent. Hitler killed millions of Jews. Some people are just psychotic, they believe that an entire race doesn't deserve to live. We, as people who can stop it, have a duty to protect. Although, the United states only joined in both world wars AFTER it had been attacked. I don't know why, so I can argue on that, but I do know it looks very low.

Well, that will never happen. Believe me, if the world "was" able to get along. That would be great, but that is just a small little dream that we would all like to come true. But, it isn't. Especially when we have many dangerous leaders out there.


There was a 2 page essay that I read that you should read. It is great. It was written by Henry Thoureau, and the essay is called "Civil Disobedience". It is about all of the wrong ways in government. There are many points that he says that make sense. Also, this was written a little before the Civil War, and it still should be recognized, but, it will not. Because mankind is to "evil".

Evil is definitly a point of view. The SS didn't think they were evil, they thought they were doing the right thing.

That is very true. I.E. Hitler. He was a VERY smart person, just his views were VERY twisted to those who did not believe in the reasons they were trying to exterminate the Jews...

Back onto topic.

People wage war for many reasons - greed, fear, ignorance... sometimes merely stupidity. It makes them feel powerful, and sometimes there is something to be obtained. More often than not everyone ends up where they started, minus thousands - millions of their citizens.

People fight because they think they're doing it for a greater cause.
Tell me the outcome of every war. How great was it?


Actually, Hitler came into power sort of by luck. He tried to follow Mussolini way by simply marching up to the government and threatening them. That failed but he gained so much popularity that he was able to get elected and dominate.

I blame the art school.

By the way, take a history course, you'll learn something.


Believing is very different than the actions we take for our beliefs. A war fought on beliefs is against this nation's beliefs.


He wasn't pyschotic. He was misinformed, like most leaders who make poor decisions. (I guess an exception that comes to mind is Bush because he's just stupid)


Correct. But it's funny how a reply can be:

His views weren't twisted. He simply followed his beliefs. If you believed in something so strongly that you would fight for it, would you do it? If you can't think of anything, I'll give you a hint: Religion.


Most wars are fought because of a difference in religion. This is why I hate it so much. I guess you could be right on some of the Kings back in the old days.

I am not a religious person. I believe that most Organized religions are some of the biggest hoaxes in the world. I still feel that religion is just a HUGE misconception of what man's beliefs were many years ago. That's why I feel that the "people" that wrote the bible are wrong. How do we know that they weren't just playing some game. Meh.... Cough** Cough** Bullshit Cough ** Cough** [/endrantonreligion]



Two words to prove that religion is bad.

The Crusades.

I'm not sure, how many people actually did die in The Crusade's? (If anybody knows).

Cheeze, that's why I stated "fear, ignorance, and stupidity" as reasons.

Many wars were fought on the threat of running out of resourses.
Hitlers started a War because he felt the "Master" race would become no more after mixing with Jews and others. He felt they were threatened. Wars where much land and resources have been gained were benificial (not to mention a host of inventions), but you won't see anything like that today because of weapons of mass destruction.


Really? Because I thought he made himself "temporary" Dictator after he blamed communists for the burning of the Reichstag.
Here it is:
-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler


So if one person believes in Communism, and another in Capitalism, they should be able to live under the same govenment in harmony? Of course not. I have no idea what you're trying to say.


His goal was to commit genocide of all Jews, along with a host of other races. Not crazy per sey, but he took something overlooked and clearly wrong, and turned it into a reality.


I'm not religious. I form my own morals, because I don't need a guide that doesn't keep with the times. I don't think this should become a discussion about religion, but I'll say this. I believe Religion is a form of social control.


you.

By "many wars", I think you mean Bush's.


I think this is part of the reason, but like I said, doing it, people think they're doing it for a greater cause. I thank you for agreeing with me.


Ah, so you dare weigh land and resources on lives? Well, how much would you weigh your own life at? 5, maybe 6 dollars? The only time I would not do everything I could to save a life is if the person that requires saving costs even more lives.


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No, I'm saying if a war is fought on beliefs (which, so far, all wars have), then it is pointless. Since you didn't understand, now you do. Doesn't make sense? Ask me.


No, his goal was to make an Empire that would last thousands of years. To do this required the elimination of "inferior" people. This included but was not limited to, Jews.

When you say "clearly wrong", I can simply say, point of view. In his view, his actions were correct. You cannot deny that.


*tisk tisk* Allowing anger to overpower you eh? Seriously, learn more, you'll make fewer mistakes and look cool doing it.

If a population is going to starve to death in near future, it's worth lives.

I think if the population is going to die, they could try to do anything to survive, because that is one thing probably every animal tries to do, which is survive. So if it comes to war then so be it. The other people can just fight them off and let them die, either way probably the most worthy of the groups survives.

A lot of the SS actually didn't agree with what they were doing, at least not on the inside. If you read some of Himmler's speeches and letters, you can see that he was constantly having to persuade his underlings that what they were doing was right.

The only problem I have with wars is the way they have been fought recently. Between such unequal powers, take America and Iraq. I doubt that anyone could argue that Iraq has as much a formidable force as that of America. I believe that we should have remained isolationist longer. As long as we go into other countries and mess things up, people will hate us. Preemptive strikes are unnecessary.

Not so great. Althought, it gave us freedom, and peace. It also cost us many lives.

Bush is a jackass, I don't know how he got re-elected, or even elected for that matter.

Corruption will always exist. Get over it. The average person in this world doesn't really give a shit. There needs to be a large depression and/or a large clash of ideologies in order for people to care. Even then corruption can still live. If every person in this world magically knew all the dark secrets every government did, and was magically motivated to do something about it, the white house would be burning to the ground right now. But I doubt that's gonna happen, cause God is just having too much fun watching us kill each other. If you want to make God happy, go help try to resurrect nazis, so we can fight them all over again, and have millions more people die.

I say, go robots. They're truly humane. (if you program it into them)

Let's rewind to some prehistoric time

Guy 1: Hm, that's some nice fruit there, I think I'll eat some.
*Guy 1 gets fruit.
Guy 2: Damn, there's no fruit left. I wonder how I can get some food... Maybe if I beat up that guy, I can take his.
*Guy 2 beats the crap out of Guy 1
*Guy 1 flees and finds Guy 3
Guy 1: Hey, Guy 2 took my fruit.
Guy 3: Hey, he took my fruit too!
Guy 1: Let's beat the crap out of Guy 2.
*Guy 1 and 3 beat the crap out of Guy 2.
Guy 4: Whoa, that could happen to me!
*Guy 4, 5, and 6 join forces...

And so on, and there we go.

So true...

Anyway, heres a thought:

Wars are started over the basis of an inability to agree on something(something important to one of side). Humans fight humans because there arguements are on that level only, they don't care about humanity's survival as a whole, simply their own survival. If everyone were to agree with another, it would mean that Christianity would still be continuing thier Crusades, and have conquered the world by now. But even then, people would rebel, and war would eventually be sprung. A revolution, actually. But, if ALL people were to unite agaisnt a common goal, then there might possibly be some tolerance of one another's beliefs for people to live in harmony for whatever 3 minutes it is that this may happen..(which it won't, aparently). So basically, if you want people to stop having Wars, there are 3 possible solutions:

1. All humans die, problem solved and Earth saved.
2. All humans unite under one religion. Life becomes a living hell for the Athiests.
3. All humans unite under a common cause(fighting off the Covenant =P).

So yeah, I suppose it's possible, if we find a huge alien armada to help us get the job done...(I hope you know I'm kidding)

I call the 1st energy feild suit thing!!

By the time we get one of those, you'll be an old and wrinkly bastard, and they'd much sooner stuff you in a coffin then an energy suit =\