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They still explode though! It's a fission bomb but the neutrons don't crack!!!

Yes, Cold Fusion is tons, TONS better. But, we cannot create Cold Fusion at this point in time. If we were able to, we would have no "Energy Crisis"s at all, ever.

Some scientist came close to making cold fusion a while ago, don't know what happened since then though.
Here is what a quick google search brought up.

I find it odd that nobody has mentioned actual fusion as a source. What with rapidly developing manmade materials, plastics keep getting stronger and stronger. Within 100 years it is possible that fusion could be used for a controlled reaction for power. Fusion is much more powerful than fission, although it requires more energy to start and is impossible to contain at this point with anything we have made at this point. Hell, hydrogen bombs are a fusion reaction, but they require an atomic bomb to even start. Cold fusion seems to be a fake to me. The initial researchers who told of their explots never again told of it, never shared their lab protocols and procedure, and made it a press conference - not in a science journal.

Also, it's kind of odd that you listed electricity as a source. The electricity we use is from the other fuel sources, it cannot be a source as itself.

We don't use hydrogen because we can't easily obtain it yet. Where we get it is natural gas (or oil... I can't remember which?), which sort of defeats the purpose of having an alternate energy source. They're trying to figure out the whole photosynthesis thing from plants: how they seperate the oxygen from hyrdrogen in water. Hyrdrogen would become an unlimited, replenishable source of energy at that point.


It is Not a fuel source, however it is a liable source of energy. It is not from the other fuel sources in most cases. Most of electricity is from big-ass dams and nuclear reactors (which I might note I don't believe is a fuel source), and electricity is being made more and more commonly by non-fossil fuel energy sources. (Thank God.)

We know how to make hydrogen, thats easy, you just take glucose (sugar's most basic form) and run it through a mitochondria without a membrane, which I believe scientists are comming close to synthesising. That produces hydrogen and oxygen. The main problem with hydrogen fuel, and fuel cells is that hydrogen does not store very easily. You would need a gas tank at 10,000 lbs per square inch to store the same amount of gas as in a regular gas tank. That is a lot of pressure, and combined with the high potential that hydrogen has, it isn't very feasable. We need something to hold it together without anything else touching it.

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If you've heard of ATP (Adenosine Tri-Phosphate) I think that should be the next big fuel, because it has more energy than basically any molecule out there. ATP is whats produced by all living things to be able to move.

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As I said earlier, there were experiments that came close to cold fusion. I found an article that explained what actually happened in 1989 and now in 2002. They seemed to have actually created some interesting results. A report on Cold Fusion

lol i heard that they tried burning the shit from mc donalds i mean like the grease and crap from the fryers and it worked for a car with a special filter thingy mabober .. but then everyone would smell like french fries

I'll have to do some research on this hydrogen fuel stuff you're saying. I read that article on cold fusion, and it looks quite interesting, though I'm still a bit of a skeptic. Surprising is that it doesn't produce very much energy though.

I'm now interested in this ATD (Adenosine Tri-Phosphate?) stuff that you're talking about. More energy than any molecule out there eh? How could you easily produce this stuff if it's produced by living things for movemnt?

Here's why hydrogen wont work
Well, I don't really know how we could harness ATP, but that is what our mitochondria make. ATP basically makes any moving part on our body move. If we could somehow create that step in cars, we could have cars that run off sugar. An explanation of what ATP is and does.

This actually did happen. It's really cool, some guy in Alaska (I think is where.. Some snowy place anyway.) takes the grease used at restaraunts (such as McDonalds) and puts it into his truck for fuel. Very cool bio-fuel. The exaust supposedly smell like french fries. (His main supplier of the grease, which by the way he gets for free, is from a local McDonalds. After all, they're just going to throw it out back anyways).

It didn't happen in alaska.

OMFG... You cannot take organics, and convert them to mechanics you idiot...



Again, you cannot take organics, and convert them to mechanics....

Hydrogen would work, but like it has been said before, there is not anything strong enough to hold the Hydrogen. And they don't even have an engine that is strong enough, or even capible of processing raw Hydrogen.

Why not? I don't think he means have actual organic components moving the mechanical aspect. I think in the future it would be possible to like synthesize some organic type of bacteria that can process something like what Rantent was saying in the beginning to produce fuel, and all you would do is keep the bacteria alive.

Energy cannot be created or destroyed. Using ATP doesn't make it unlimited. All you're doing is using whatever food the organism consumed as energy, but even less efficiently as the processes gave some of it off as heat. Now you're going to be getting even less energy and then have to convert it once more. Not too realistic. It'd be far easier to just use the source of the energy, the sun. The sun is the source of almost all energy on the earth, and it is why everything is alive. It is what gave energy to fossil fuels, living animals, and it even causes solar power AND (most) hydroelectric power. Why not just harness it in a simpler means? That massive ball of nuclear fusion is good for lots of this.

Mining the sun for energy? Why, that's just down right crazy. It's so crazy, that it just might work! We're gonna build a gigantic station on the sun, and get a lot of miners to work on it. And we'll have protests in outer space with people going, "save the sun! The sun is our life! Don't harness life!" Then sun chips will have a lot new meaning! Mmmmmmm....sun chips.

Oh man, I need to stop smoking this shit, seriously.

Nice sarcastic post Alpha, it made me laugh.

Why won't solar power work? It's available, in large quantities even. By the time we run out of... sun... and we haven't come up with an alternative energy in like, 4 billion years, we're doomed as a race anyway...

Or we can mimic the sun and produce energy like the sun does, nuclear fusion/fission?

Ok... Why is it that the two can't combine? And if they can't why is there this Bio Robotics Lab!?!

Consider the following, after doing some research, I found that gasoline averages about 125928.186 calories/mole of gas. That may seem like a large number of calories, but then consider this. ATP has about 686000 calories/mole This means that If you were able to have the same amount of either substance, you could get roughly 5 1/2 times the amount of energy out of ATP then you could from gasoline. ATP is also created in a very efficient fashion. One molecule of glucose can make on average 36 molecules of ATP. This process to make glucose from the suns energy takes 5/3 the amount of energy from the suns rays, directing it into a useable form. I'm quite sure that that make it the most efficient process to get usable enregy yet.
Because a simpliler means would waste energy compared to ATP.

It's quite simple WHY we can't use "solar power". The current solar cells we have now are too damn inefficient to satisfy our energy needs. IIRC, current solar cells converts something like 10%-20% of the energy from the sun into electricity. Not to mention how pricey it is to make the cells.

I would like to ask how much energy + cost + materials to make a mol of ATP. And then compare to gasoline.

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Gas has nothing to do with what I just said, at all. How you can come in and compare it with my statement of ATP being inefficient energy wise is beyond me. Besides, it still takes energy to form the ATP. Not like the ATP magically expands and creates energy . I don't want to go into an all out rant here, but yes, atp is a waste of energy. Lemme break it down for you. Energy comes from the sun. It goes through the atmosphere. (which just absorbed some...) now, it goes to your good ol' green plants. Photosynthesis. but oh noes!!1`~! Looks like not all of the sunlight in the area made it to the plants. Small amount wasted. Now, the processing. Plants make the glucose, whoohoo. Now, animal comes along and eats the plant... making ATP from it! Ok... this might be the complicated part, so bear with me... it chews the plant! WOW! More energy wasted. Energy is then used to take the animal out and process the ATP. Just an example of how it occurs, I know it won't be harvested like that, but that's the simplest I could break it down to. The processing that occurs WILL always release at least a small amount of energy. The less processing that occurs and the more energy is readily available, the more energy a source can provide.

All this ATP organic energy stuff makes me think about why not just using animals and riding them on the streets The only fuel you need would be like fuel and water, which could be pretty cheap. It sounds like we would be trying to develop a living animal "car"

...because then we'd have shit all over our streets.

Heh there's a byproduct to anything right? Or at least think of the effects of cars and their exhaust.

At least makes good fertilizer

The Next-Gen Fuel will run on Greed, obviously.

Let's make it run on love