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Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-15 at 13:03:10
All I'm saying is that there is the possibility that the kid just can't be helped, everyone's not the same and there are surely kids out there that are just very messed up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-15 at 14:00:50
and you blamed the mother for that you warthog faced bafoon. yes there are kids out ther who have messed up, but you put them past redemtion (not churchy) everyone has a chance tp change, at every step of his life be it young or old. they dont just wright about it cus its something the the wrighters would like to see happen one day, it happens all the time. all it takes is one second, one thought to change your hole life. sometimes you cant see it, or even note it as you live on, but you change. if you werent such a dumb censored.gif you would relize that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-15 at 15:06:50
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I think its kind of funny how its all circular; the way the parents were taught to bring up children was taught through their parents, ne?

It can't be circular because our parent's parents didn't have the same lifestyle. Stay at home moms were more common, and children didn't have access to an anonymous life on the internet (if you see your 10 year old looking at bad stuff on the internet, it's time to pull the plug).

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If not, then its the whole worlds fault, which, I wouldn't strikeout either...

That's just passing the blame. It starts with the parents.

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who are all of you to judge that woman and her upbringing of HER child.

I'm a member of society who sees wrong, and has decided to bring it up, and with a lot of luck, maybe even raise awarness.

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thats great and wonderful that you have great parents who do this and that, but your parents aren't the ones who raised that kid.

Really? Gee, I couldn't have figured that out on my own.
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she did the best she knew how.

Clearly her best wasn't good enough, how do you know that she didn't avoid disipline so as to not make her kid cry? Lots of people don't know when to put their foot down now a days, and it's absolutly neccessary when raising a kid.
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ok, so the kid flipped out and killed her. but honestly, why are you blaming HER?!?!?!?!? maybe she didn't even know it was going on. you know.......sometimes.......parents......DON'T KNOW EVERY LITTLE THING THAT IS GOING ON IN THE HOLE censored.gif ING PLANET! come on...think about it. when you get married, your not bestowed with the gift of infante knowledge....you get toasters and shit. all you can do is the best you can.

That's why you teach him or her how to figure out what's wrong. Assosiate other people's pain with displeasure and compasion.
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and if the kid is a jack ass, its not your fault.

It is completly the parent's fault, you showed the kid that it was alright to be a jackass, and so he or she felt no need not to be. Being a jackass should make your kid have negetive feelings.
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you did know that your kid is not you, it is a completely different being. and i'm sorry if this if flamming........

A half assed appology doesn't cut it with me.
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but no one cares about your parents and what they do for you PsychoTemplar

I was giving an example of how I think a kid should be raised, with disipline and a caring enviroment
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, this hole conversation stared out with this lady who, in your eyes, "messed up". you show me the handbook that come with us kids. you show me where she didn't fallow that handbook to the "T" oh......weight a tick....THERE IS NO GOD DAMN HANDBOOK!

You're a human being, you have the capacity to figure it out, if you need help, you can ask people who turned out well how they were raised. Parents aren't helpless and alone. We're a very social race (humans are), use it to your advantage.


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i'm sorry.......i'll go back to shit i know nothing about.... mellow.gif

Too bad your parents didn't teach you that half assed appologies only aggrivate people more, and that being too lazy to spell correctly in a formal setting is incredibly disrespectful.

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thats cold... but i know sometimes parents are dipshits who make you do things that are something that you dont want to do and make you do the right things... but once time passes, you know you'll thank them...

I don't really like that little bit much. You know the whole "you'll thank me later". I'm smart enough to predict the near future, and I'll thank them now if I think they're helping me. That to me is so patronizing.

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So, here we are making a case for why children have no ethics morals or ground rules--being spoiled, and in another thread, we have why children aren't spoiled enough. What's happening now?

Where is this thread of children who aren't spoiled enough? Maybe you're refering to someone born on the streets or someone growing up in a warring country... perhaps a 2nd - 3rd world country. By my own convention, spoiling a person mean that you're giving them too much of a good thing, so that they are less of a good person then they were before you spoiled them.

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All I'm saying is that there is the possibility that the kid just can't be helped, everyone's not the same and there are surely kids out there that are just very messed up.

1 in 10,000 people who are actually disterbed doesn't account for 1 in 1000 people with the morals to figure out what's wrong, and what's right. Those aren't proven statistics, they're blind assumptions.

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if you werent such a dumb censored.gif you would relize that.

Maybe I should report that... nah, the mods will probably just give him a cookie.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-06-15 at 15:21:32
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who are all of you to judge that woman and her upbringing of HER child. thats great and wonderful that you have great parents who do this and that, but your parents aren't the ones who raised that kid. she did the best she knew how. ok, so the kid flipped out and killed her. but honestly, why are you blaming HER?!?!?!?!? maybe she didn't even know it was going on. you know.......sometimes.......parents......DON'T KNOW EVERY LITTLE THING THAT IS GOING ON IN THE HOLE  censored.gif ING PLANET! come on...think about it. when you get married, your not bestowed with the gift of infante knowledge....you get toasters and shit. all you can do is the best you can. and if the kid is a jack ass, its not your fault. you did know that your kid is not you, it is a completely different being. and i'm sorry if this if flamming........but no one cares about your parents and what they do for you PsychoTemplar, this hole conversation stared out with this lady who, in your eyes, "messed up". you show me the handbook that come with us kids. you show me where she didn't fallow that handbook to the "T" oh......weight a tick....THERE IS NO GOD DAMN HANDBOOK!
i'm sorry.......i'll go back to shit i know nothing about.... mellow.gif
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You act like stabbing someone close to you 100+ times is just some ordinary thing. So what if the kid has a few problems, but it should get to the point where the parent starts to get help. Kids don't just wake up one day and pull a knife on mommy, things lead up to it. And that is when the parent needs to take action.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-06-15 at 15:29:37
well.....how about that, you have managed to do the same thing you were crying about, placing blame. i read somewhere on this site, i don't know who it is9 i could very well be you) but they said something along the lines of " what is right and what is wrong" what is right in the eyes of one person might be what is wrong in anothers. so said you will probably go off about " oh, is killing your mom right in your eyes" and if you do im sorry for your stupidity. example- did you father ever teach you how to fight? when to fight? who to fight? well, is that wrong? you know what...im done. im not even going into it with you. this thing can go on forever and get real ugly real fast. parents have different ways of teaching there kids. thats a fact. there is also nothing you can do about what your nabber dose with their kids. you can try, but you'll just piss them off. so, you can se all the problems in the world with other peoples parenting...thats good for you, it doesn't mean that they are bad parents. there are not very many cases of this kind of thing happening. and if you fallow a kid that you say if "bad" into the real world. ill give you 10-1 odds that they realize what there doing and change it. thusly thats why i said no one cares about what your mommy and daddy did for you. your not them. "Really? Gee, I couldn't have figured that out on my own." yeh no kidding.
and that "half assed" apiology wasn't to you, it was for the readers who might have gotten offended by what i said. i don't care about you, or what you think. but, when you respond, i will read and think about what you put and see if i can use it for anything in my life.


everyone has there own opinion, that was mine. huh.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-15 at 16:12:22
I'm not going to respond to that (in any meaningful way) for two reasons.
1. You didn't use grammar, you mispelled too many things, and you havn't managed to articulate your point very well. To me, you're just some little self proclaimed enlightened jerk.

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you know what...im done. im not even going into it with you.

If you're too lazy to support your own beliefs, why should I waste my time on you. That's your parents job.

Alright, here's a common example... Almost every twit at my school litters, when the only thing it does, is hurt them and the community. If their parents taught them that littering was wrong (via teaching them to be aware of what they're doing, and the concequences and what those concequences mean) then they would all feel really terrible for littering, and wouldn't do it again, because it's impossible to like feeling bad (bad as in sort of ill, not badass or anything like that).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-15 at 17:55:04
I think sometimes the parents just have to get down right violent with their kids for them to learn anything. I guess some kids need to learn by example. Sure you can try a nice approach and talk to them, but they might not care at all, so then you have to be mean and take control of them harshly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-06-15 at 20:51:00
You can try and be the best parent, but you won't be able to help your child if he has a disease when he's born that affects him, like ADD. That's not the parent's fault, is it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-15 at 20:53:36
No, but it's also highly irrelevent.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-06-15 at 20:56:07
You can't teach your kid any morales if he has an attention span of 5 seconds.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-06-15 at 21:00:31
Doesn't have to be a disease, just a very strongwilled kid who is very disturbed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-06-15 at 21:08:33
You know what? Closed because people aren't mature enough to put some research into what they say.

PM me if you're dying to make a post in it, I'll open.
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