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Yes, it would actually work in court, if you knew what you were doing.



To get out of a speeding ticket, it takes 3 simple little things + your signature. Then when you go to court for it, you have to know what you're doing

Where the hell does it say you can get out of paying taxes? That's something completely fictisious created by you.

And you are saying that knowing the UCC is a bad thing?

You can go ahead and be a pawn in our governments game. But me, I won't stand for a dictating government, taking away my rights......

And you know what? I shouldn't even reply to this "rebuttle" because of all the gramatical errors, and spelling errors. Cause I can barely understand wtf you are trying to say anyways.

Oh and P.S. Learn to use paragraphs, they help



If you want to be a true sovereign citizen (like everyone was in the beggining of our nation) in the long run, then yes, this will help you.

But in a city where the cops pull you over for doing the speed limit, and they lie out their ass in court, then knowing how the UCC works, is a damn good thing. Cause then you won't be screwed out of your money.



But the thing is, we are in a bankrupt country, about 6 TRILLION dollars bankrupt to be precise. And do you know what backs up out National Tresurey? Our WORD. It used to be backed up by Silver & Gold, until President Rosavelt came along and declared May 1st, "National Bank Day"



Taxes aren't freely. They are FORCED upon us. If we weren't in a deficet, there would be no taxes. Were there taxes in the beggining of our country? HELL NO! There were no taxes, because taxes are basicly another way of saying terrif (The shit our founding fathers hated, and that's why we had the revolutionary war)



These articles aren't trying to control our opinion about the government, it is clearely stating how it has been decieving us since the Great Depression, and "National Bank Day" (May 1st)

And if you realised that having no freedoms is stupid and bull shit, this information would piss you right the **ck off. Like it does me

Maybe if you guys were not so closed minded, you could actually see the points this site explains.

And if you guys think the UCC is bull shit, try not having it and see where that gets us........ (Anarchy 101 baby)

I'm not being closeminded and I see the points that the site explains.

I never said the UCC is bullshit and I completely understand what the articles were trying to say about it.

It's good to understand all those things



To me those 3 simple things look like they took a bit of "work" you have to do in advance. But hell what do I know? I'm not getting a speeding ticket anytime soon



Can you be more specific in how it will help me?



Well what can I do about that?



I wouldn't say the government is "deceiving us" I guess the information is right there if you choose to look for it. But I think the government is covering up for all it's hidden problems. I guess they believe that this society would run better if people didn't know and were ignorant to the truth. Like in the matrix. Even so, I found it interesting to finally read about how they are deceiving us. It's just that most people don't know about it.

Well, put it this way. My mother got a speeding ticket on a 3 lane bridge with construction work (meaning two lanes are blocked down to one lane), in the middle of rush hour. They said she was going 30 km/h over the speed limit. Heck, I'd be suprised if she even reached the speed limit. How the hell can you go 80 km/h on a road where everyone's gonig bumper to bumper?

Oh, did you know in Canada, you can't ask to see the reading of your speed? Because then, you'd be "questioning" the authority of the police or something, and they have the right to arrest you if you ask. And the judge always believes the cop, because "Why would the cop lie?"

What was the relevance of that to my comment? What was the meaning?

This kind of information would upset anyone on first sight. The point is not that the article is trying to convince your opinion, it's the fact that it is capable of doing that to a majority of readers. That is what I don't like, but don't get me wrong, it is hard to present this sort of information and not be influencing people on what they should think, it's very hard. I just think it's not the best way to go about it.
And no were not close-minded, I clearly said that the article pointed out significant facts and flaws, i just don't really like these kinds of sites.
And we wouldn't be without a UCC, because should people find out the UCC was abolished, people would create another UCC type of program to replace it, and the fact is there are probably plenty of these UCC organizations all over the country. This is just one. And no I don't mean they're actually UCC, but I mean their goals and principles are similar/exact.

But the thought of not having any organizations like the UCC is a pretty scary thought. But I doubt we'd have anarchy.

I was trying to point out that even if you keep within the speed limit and drive safely, there will be assholes that peg you for stuff anyways. No, we weren't pissed at getting a ticket for speeding, but it's the fact that we were wrongfully accused of it. There was no way anyone could be driving that fast. But try explaining that to the judge.

No, I'm not saying cops are liars, or bad people. To be frank, we've hardly ever run into a police officer that wasn't a decent person. But like all humans, assholes do exist in this world, and you will run into them no matter what you do.

It's also very difficult to become a cop in Canada. They're not corrupt.

PS: I'm just throwing that out... it caught my eye but I don't feel like reading all the ranting in this thread, sorry.

This is pretty interesting. I'm always a fan of intelligent articles questioning our society. I wouldn't exactly credit this as being all fact or anything, so I can see why it would be dubbed propaganda. But it is a well thought-out essay.

The UCC is not an oranization you fool! The UCC is a set of Laws created by our government! UCC = Uniform Commercial Code! Do you not read the replys I post?!!?!?!?

Yuck at webdesign. Who invented Comic Sans?

Anyway, from what I understand about US cop functionality, they have quotas to reach, so they've got to catch people some time. Not sure if this is true, heard this in a discussion about mexican police (who are corrupt, but more in the sense that you can slip them a few pesos).

The Straw Man thing seemed like a lot of posturing to me, honestly.

There's a general implication that we're getting ed over. Yeah right. Let's have some concrete examples of people being robbed out of their money, in which there is solid evidence (as opposed to wild claims) that they didn't get what they deserved.



The fact that the founding fathers staged a revolution over what were some of the lightest taxes in the british empire doesn't make them bad. Being antitax is effectivley being proanarchy, unless you have some other proposal for the government getting money to govern.

You're talking a lot about the government dictating over us and stealing our freedoms. Thing is, in general we have very little to complain about. This is just being whiny...

I still have no idea what that stick man thing is trying to say.

Kellimus, without taxes, our government would quickly run down, anything that big needs a source of income, which in our government's case is taxes. I'd love to see the school system work without taxes, or for that matter, the police force, how do you plan on paying for those without taxes.

Hmm I just came back from Europe, and I don't think they had a tax on anything. And the EU seems to be doing perfectly fine without tax, if this were the case.

Though I'm not a fan of taxes myself, I think they are necessary in order to keep public works efficient/alive and to keep public schooling active. I go to a public school (I actually had the choice of going to public or private, and chose public) and I've learned a lot from my experience there with all the people I've met. And without taxes, tht experience would not exist. So yeah taxes are okay, but they're a bitch when your greedy side doesn't want to give up money.

If you actually read it, it explains it in full detail. And it's Straw Man, not stick man

Like I said before, you guys don't have to believe any of this, it's your own fault if you want to stay under the illusion of the government.

And i'm not saying this cause of this site, i'm saying it cause the government is actually lieing, and tricking the American People......

did you just figure this out? t has been doing that since like before world war 1. Even before that.

It's been happening since The Depression, and May 1st, which is "National Bank Day"

Again, show me a person losing out cuz of it, and maybe I'll actually care a touch.

This matters not, as my post still makes sense(except the organization words).
(Sorry for not reading the entire article, it IS long.)

Thought you should know ranting is usually associated with one's ego. Oh the irony!

Most of europe has enviromentally focused governments. And of course, the government and economy is selected by their people(or for them). So they learn to be happy with what is put before them, because it is what they consider a regular amount(this means money, cars, food, anything). America is full of American greedy men, why do you think so many terrorists attack us and not china?(and i don't mean Just Iraq). If we could be like EU our country would be a better place. Hopefully someone is trying to put this idea into motion. And america can't be that kind of country right now because we love having everything, and rely on foreign commerce and trade. I shouldn't say we rely on it, but it's what makes us so wealthy. Everyone complains and just expects the government to do anything, but no one wants to take positive action to get things apparent and done. The Gay Parade makes a bigger impact on America then what the regular people want for change! That should be some sort of sign!

You don't lose cause of your Straw Man. If you read the article, it clearly explains wtf the Straw Man is and how it is an illusion created by the government.



First off, "terrorists" aren't "attacking" us. We have only had one "attack" from terroists. If you mean they keep "attacking" us because we are in Iraq, it's very simple. If a foreign country invaded your country, would you just let them roam free? ***k no! You would take up arms, and beat the facist nation back to where it came from; Therefor, we are not being "attacked" as you put it, we are "attacking" them from what I figure.

Everyone that tries to put that idea in motion, they get booed off the stage. Howard Dean tried to make our country better, and the Democrats wouldn't let him. They chose homophobic Kerry as their canidit, when it shoulda been Dean.

And do you not remember what Clinton did with the Environment? Then all the ass bitches complaned about how they couldn't snowmobile and use ATVs OFF trails.

Then guess what happened? Bush came along, and whipped out Clintons protection acts, making it legal for snowmobiles and ATV's to go off trail again.

And like I said again, lot's of people want to change the way the government works, but they can't do it! It is imposible when the Senate is ran by Republicans!

When the Republicans get out of office, our country will go back to normal, but untill then, we are doomed to exist in a facist nation ran by money-grubbing Republicans.....