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For all you "Patriots" out there, visit this site: http://www.uccredemption.com/HomePage.asp

It will show you how far the "wool is pulled down over our eyes"

I post this only for your gain, and not for personal reasons. I just want the people to know what our country, is really about......

Looks like propaganda to me.

How is this propaganda???? Do you know what UCC stands for? This is a site that points out the loopholes in the government, and you call it propaganda!!?!??

UCC = Uniform Commercial Code (The LAW of the WORLD)

So before you sit and bash on this, do your homework.....

That site was confusing for me, I didn't really get where the info was, could you point out the important links or parts of the site I should be looking in? I didn't really like the layout of the site, or the text.

Well first off, you can read the whole first page. Second, you could join that Yahoo group, and read TONS of info on there. But to get the info off the site, there's links at the top left

I could buy thewhitehouse.com and go on about the war in Iraq and get my own cult following. I don't trust political pages that end in .com-- unless its a trusted news source like msn or reuters-- not an independent page made by someone who I don't know.

Edit: Sorry, didn't mean yahoo. Not a fan of them.

They're got a point though. The rules of our society don't exist if there's no one with a gun to make you.

You can go ahead and stay under the illusion the government has thrown over us. If you look on there, it was created by PROFESSIONALS in that field.

And if you actually paid attention to it, it talks about everything the government does...

And the UCC.... If you do the right things, you can get your own personal account into the United States Treasury (No more debt, my friend )

But for people, to brainwashed, I guess this is just a "hoax"

P.S. Read the Straw Man section. It makes sense (Do you spell your name in FULL CAPS LIKE THIS? Or in Alternating Capitals Like This?)

What i'm trying to get at with that is: Whenever you get a letter from the court, your name is in FULL CAPS LIKE THIS (Not true English grammer rules) Same with bills, and anything that you get that you have to pay the government something.

Now watch. Do you write you name like this (i'm going to use my name as example) KELLY CHRISTENSEN

No, you don't. That is not the true rules of the English Language.

I write my name like this: Kelly Christensen, using alternating Caps and Lower Case.

Now, go and read the Straw Man section, and take what I have written here, and put it into consideration.

The website doesn't give straight forward information. It just puts a whole bunch of text in front of you, and expects you to read it. There's no type of draw in, or even a noticeable goal of this site. It took me over 5 minutes to find out what UCC was(from the website). People would like this site a little better if it had some draw in points, and wasn't just trying to exploit and hinder. It does just look like propaganda though, i stopped reading the UCC part after 8 minutes, felt like just rambling.

Oh yeah I'm with sniper, i only trust .com sites like Fox, MSN, and Kron, but i don't even like trusting anyone for resources really. Best to just study what all the facts are and make your own conclusion based on that, not be influenced by all the exploitation. That's just me though.

Its easier to distinguish 'L' and 'I' that way...

What bugs me:

Or, in other words, if you don't do as we say you're a wimp.



Good idea-- looking up words you don't understand. But that doesn't always work...especially with the media today (which I believe it attacked earlier), where they twist statistics and use messed up rhetoric to put whatever they want in whatever light they want. All mistakes? That's harsh. There is still debate over passages in the Bible, last I remembered, and those have been written out in plain english. He is acting only on the retell level, not the deeper levels, like inference.

If you would actually read the links at the top left, and join the yahoo group, you would see that none it is fake.

You need to "research" more of the site. Don't just look at the first page and make asumptions.....

I enjoyed this article a lot too http://essay.theboywhocriediraq.com/ It's slightly out of date but it's still relevent. It points out a lot about history repeating itself, and people being to lazy to get information from anywhere but just infront of them. It's a good read.

It's propaganda when people point out incriminating facts about the government, but it's an honest mistake when you claim Iraq has weapons that could harm the U.S.. I remember seeing on T.V. "IRAQ STILL WILL NOT REVEAL AND DISARM IT'S WEAPONS, WE HAVE TO ATTACK!".

Oh well, I'm sure half of you will dismiss this as propaganda... but in my honest opinion, a true citizen takes everything into account, and would take the 20 minutes it takes to read this. I don't think it's bull shit, Maddox doesn't (I got the link from his site =D) but half a dozen "patriots" in here will.

I agree. If you actually took the time to read, and had an OPEN-MIND then you could believe that something like this, is going on.

I have a question for all you "Patriots" in here.

Is our money real money?

Oh i never said the site was fake, i said it was unappealing to the average reader. I also said i don't very much trust the site because it's focusing on exploitation, it's not covering good and bad sides of everything that's being said. Though what they say is buyable and believable, it is said in a way to make you think about it on a one-sided term. Most people who read it are one-side minded in a different way(believing our government system is great). The site seems to just try to use the governments cover-ups to only exploit it. I prefer just stating simple facts, not incinuating, or guiding someone to a standpoint view. But the site doesn't tell any lies that i see as of yet, i just think it's taking a different one-sided view point.

I agree with Tdnfthe1, that site presents extremely one sided arguments, as well as restates the obvious for "shock value". I am far from a patriot, but I still recognize that site as being 90% bull , after all, if you take their "authority" for it, you shouldn't be listening to any authorities at all, the logical premises of that site are flawed.

So, you're saying that this site is not a reliable source, when they are trying to make you a sovern american again?



You believe it's 90% bull "shit" because it proves how corrupt the government is, and it tries to give people information on becomeing sovern again?

Just because it says stuff you think is "bull shit" does not mean it is bull shit. If any of you actually understand the UCC (Uniform Commercial Code) then you will realise, that this is 100% legit on making it's "claims".

Did you know the UCC can get you out of paying for speeding tickets? Get you out of prison, away from jail?

The government does not want anyone to learn about the UCC, cause it proves fallacy in their system... Just read the god damn site you guys!

No, I have no problem believing in a corrupt government, I have a problem with thier logically flawed arguments.

Alright, I've read the first page and The Straw Man. So far it's pretty interesting and I can believe it. What should I look/read next?

It was also pretty creepy with the whole straw man thing.

I've started reading the UCC Connection, and it's very interesting.

Is what it says about the government true? It seems sort of like a history lesson telling you about all the jurisdictions and stuff.

I just finished that section and it's pretty incredible. Is that true? It seems like a way to bend the rules a bit, or at least get through all the loopholes. Would it actually work in court?

Unfortunately one cannot read all that is printed, it would take more then a life time, so one is unable to take into account "Everyhting". So instead i perfer to use my own brain to think up things instead of being told.

I have nto read the site refered to nor do i need to. I would also like to ask you what you mean by making the people sovern again? Do you mean 100% democrasy or do you mean anarchy? becuase both would be horrible forms of government. anarachy would make the people completely "sovern" each person sovern for themselves and no one else. and as for complete democracy that would be horrbile as well. there is a reason we vote a person as president, and there is a reason why the government is the way it is. Even if this site 100% true i would not even bat an eyelash, for youwhat you might not understand is that it really DOES NOT MATTER. tell me this? how many people have you actually seen get out of these speeding tickets? how many people have you seen not having to pay taxs and such? well even if you have seen a few that doesnt matter becuase the system functions on a whole, even if certain individuals get away with this stuff it doesnt matter as logn as the whole system remains as one and as long as the whole system continues to function. So if the mass populass does not get a hold of this information then it's fine and really doesnt matter, and guese what even if the mass populace does take advantage of these benefits it still doesnt matter, becuase no system can continue to function with such grand errors as the whole society not paying, so in response the government would change/ eleminate these benefits if a un supportable amount of people began to take these advanatages. In the end it doesnt matter as long as scoiety continues to function, which at his point it is doing extremely well, with America being pretty much the only super power in the world today.
now what is the point of me saying all this? Im no patriot but i do see that scoiety functions just fine as it is now so it really doesnt matter if all these loopholes exist or not.

Hmm yea I agree with that, the whole process seems a bit time consuming as well. I think it would be more harmless to just go through the simple process of like paying a fine instead of doing all the things it says there. Sure there are ways explained there to get around that, and even if everyone had the knowledge of how I don't think many would take the time to do that.

Really is the government really trying to screw us over with all these hidden laws and loopholes no one knows about? I think the majority of people are doing fine just following the normal way to do things instead of going through that whole process.

And about the federal reserve notes, it's kind of obvious that in REALITY they have no real value, its only the value that the government gives us. But it's for the best, because what else would you rather pay with? Silver and gold... thats just not practical.

I do think that the articles are very informative though and give good information about the history of the judicial system and all the reasons behind the laws and such. It doesn't hurt to know those things, but most of the time it's just easier to pay a fine or whatever instead of digging through the law.

But the question I have is, will knowing all of this really help me out in the long run? Would it really make my life easier? Is it worth it?

On a side note about the traffic tickets, probably 99% of the time if you actually follow the traffic laws you won't even get the ticket in the first place Like buckling a seatbelt.

that means drive safe

I also guess that the government tries to camouflage and hide all those recovery and recourse laws so much is that sure they want us to be able to have free will and all. But they also want money which, I think, benefits the society as a whole. Living in a bankrupt country isn't so good, and I guess tricking gullible people is a quick way to get some cash

they're not tricking you if you give em your money freely. like through taxs, well not really freely becuase you expect other things from em like a good police force.

I guess I shouldn't worry about this yet since I'm a minor. I think I'll study law maybe when I'm older and need something to do, it could be like a hobby But yea it's probably not all that important as of right now.

Exactly how i was thinking as I read the articles. The government is moreover probably "pupeteering us". Meaning they are leading along by strings making us think we are doing what we want, but we are contained. This doesn't have to be a bad thing, the system could be protecting the people from each other, for people always want perfect life, and always find fault with things. We see this best in our article, people finding the biggest loops and tunnels through a system so we can abuse it, if it were easy for any american to do that, we'd have continuous rebellions(like england, france, RUSSIA, and a few smaller asian countries).

As I said before, the article isn't proposing FALSE infoirmation, it's just what the intent of the information is for that I choose to not agree with. I rather make my own periodical small opinions about what the government is doing, whether then be manipulated by some convincing arguements. Not saying this is the point of this article, but it's the same as a gossiping media
(like many american newspapers). It may give factual information, but the fact is it's also trying to control your opinion just like our government. When you think about it like that, it kinda makes you want to just take your time with acquiring information. But overall, the article points out intresting stuff, only problem is you would fine many average americans to abuse this information if they were patient enough to read it.