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Why yes, but don't some animals carry disease?
We know to not eat either.



Overpopulation? Do you not know of the balance of nature?
Cows eat grass.
Lions/tigers/wolves eat cows.
Lions/tigers/wolves provide wastes that decomposers feed on
Decomposers provide chemicals for green plants (grass)
Now lets say there were too many cows, their wouldnt be enough grass, which would cause the cow population to lower, now the predators have a small source of food, their population dwindles. That causes decomposers to lower and provide less chemicals for plants. Whats this, less grass? And that continues untill that whole food chain has died.
So we'll never suffer overpopulation.

By the way, nice way of showing your opinion maturely!



Alright, guess you guys can easily debate me. Maybe its just because I've been raised to not eat meat (not raised to fight for animals, my parent's aren't environmentalists)

WE KNOW NOT TO EAT ANIMALS WITH DISEASES, EH? EH EH EH?

YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT HOW MEAT HAS DISEASES!

Goddamn it, man.

OF COURSE I DID

We know what plant has poison in it. We won't eat that

IF you know an animal has a disease, of course you won't eat that

but you DONT know which animal has a disease now do you?

Then I say we ban orange juice and stuff. Who knows, somebody have poisoned them!

And besides, theres a way to get disease of animal-food. It's known as cooking.

That was a very unintelligent comment. Well then, lets ban all food products, including meat, who knows, someone may have poisoned them too!

You're thinking of a way to get rid of the GERMS not the disease.

Yes, we should ban all food products because someone may have poisoned them!

I'm sorry, but thats just my interpretation of you going "BUT MEAT HAS DISEASES!1!!!".

Many vegetarian friends of mine are indians. But I dont think they're completely vegetarian because they do eat eggs sometimes...

Uh, I eat poisonous plants.



Um.... Germs and Diseases are pretty much the same thing......

A disease is caused by a germ and/or virus (which is a bacteria, which is a germ)

Well, you're saying orange juice may be poisoned, ban it.
I'm saying, meat may have disease, ban it.

It's all in the trust, do you trust burger king, taco bell, mcdonalds? yes.
Do I trust Dole, Concentrate, Treetop? yes.
This would lead to a whole nother thing about faith and end up somewhere with religon.

I was born vegetarian and since birth I have been known to not eat animals, because my parents taught me not to.
You were born carnivore (sorry if that sounds harsh, only word I know for it) and since birth you have found it okay to eat animals because your parents taught you to.

Its how we were taught and grown, you can't argue against that.

ADDITION:


Really now? How do you know they're poisoness? Unless you're gonna put every plant consumed to a test, you're not gonna know, its the same with animals.

And yes, a disease is caused by germs, but if infected enough, the disease will not be removed completely, are you saying we can just boil people that have diseases and they'll be cured?

Well, Parth, a well-known fact is that Kell's a druggie. He eats mushrooms as "LSD-lite".

And yes, Parth, technically we can boil the people and the disease would be gone, but that treatment would possibly end in uh, loss of life XD.

Now go eat veggies you herbivore.

I shall, enjoy eating tortured animal

Btw, this was the worst ending to an issue, ever.

Humans will sometimes think that they are inherently superior to other humans simply because they're poorer. If you told them the same thing, would they give a crap? No. That's the problem. Humans like feeling as though they're naturally better than others, and thus more important.


Vegetarians don't eat meat. Vegans don't eat animal products entirely.
It is possible to have a healthy diet as a vegetarian, but not as a vegan. It's just harder than having one with included meat, being as we're omnivores.


Actualy, it's omnivore. Carni eats meat, omni eats both, vege doesn't eat meat, vega/herba eat only plant.

I would have replied to more of your arguments, but I expected that with so many posts almost all of them would have been countered by now. Maybe when I'm feeling less lazy I'll just answer all your arguments regardless of whether someone else has or not.

(Pretty sure someone already pointed this out)

What secret "Ingredients" are you talking about? And how harmful are they? You sound like one of the people that hate things that are man made, and I fear I'm gonna be seeing a lot more of you people in the future. It's like a new rising movement. "Hate everything that is not a part of nature." You need to get rid of that mentality as soon as possible. It's not a good way to judge things at all.

Vegies give liberals a bad name.

I used to be a vegetarian. The main reason was because I wanted to eat healthier, and I already didn't eat a lot of meet; usually only chicken or fish. Its frickin hard to break out of the habit of eating meat, mad props to you who did it. I stopped because at the time my dad was on this weird diet that prevented him from eating bread or eggs or stuff where vegetarians get protein from, and that was really hard. I want to try again though.

Heh. I once had a conversation with a die hard vegan, she was vegan because there are some people who kill animals cruely. I said to her something about if she had a problem with it go kill the cow herself the humane way. She got really pissed and never talked to me again. Oops.

Ingredients that are given different names, to hide the fact that they are animal-derived. How do I hate all things man made? This computer I'm using to type this to you is man made, and I'm in love with it.



Well, you see, this is why I do not support PETA. They go straight on against meat. I know that there's no way we're gonna stop factory farms and fast-food resteraunts, so I'm against animal cruelty. There is no "humane" way to kill an animal. There is a more humane way than making it live in a small cage all its life, overfeed it vitamins to increase growth. There is a more humane way than sending it small shocks that are supposed to serve as anesthetics, but don't work effieciently so just hurt the animal more. Then, you know how it goes, hung by the legs, decapitated, while it is still concious (because the "anesthetics" didn't work).

I don't eat vegetables or fruits. I'm a very picky eater.

Well, I'm love with the ingrediants that they add in, you know, the ones that make the animal have more meat on it, and sometimes make it taste better. Ya, those are yummy. And the ingrediants that help keep the food fresh and protect it from bacteria, ya those really help as well. Please, seriously, start giving me some serious health hazards that the meat is causing. I really want to know what I have at risk. And don't be like, you could get a heartattack, cause you could also get hit my an airplane engine ok? So please put in how much of a % my risk goes up in when it comes to X hazard.

I can argue against that. The teachings your parents have thrown out, are blown out of proportion. Why not eat meat? What's so wrong with it? You state that there are all of these harmfull "Ingredients"

Name one. Seriously, give me one simple little "Ingredient" they add that is harmfull. I can think of one, and it's MSG (MonoSodium Glutamate) But it's a food preservative so it doesn't count towards your argument.

And we are Omnivores like EzDayz has clearley pointed out (Except for you, because you are unnatural. Herbavore.... Lol)

Like someone already said, I have eaten Mushrooms, only once though.



Uh, you still have not answered my question. Do you even know where food comes from. Wtf is a "Factory Farm"?

Have you ever visited a Farm? You can clearely see (in the major rural areas) that there are TONS of room for Cattle to graze. Sure, some are locked up in pens (The young, the sick, all the ones that need help being taken care of) but those are mostly the ones that get milked. After they get milked, they get let back out into the "wild"

Overfeed vitamins? You can't overfeed animals vitamins because their body would reject the massive intake, and only take what it needs. Do you seriously know what you are talking about?

And it isn't vitamins that increase it's growth, it's "Chemicals"

I have to go now, but i'll argue more tommarow. Have a nice day.

Ill start from the top.

I don't eat because I was born and raised by my parents that way. You ask why? Because it also butts into the religon of my childhood (Hinduism). It all has to do with karma. We believe its wrong to kill something that is living and feels and thinks as we do. And since we believe in reincarnation, its just put to "Kill any living creature and you will be doomed in your next life". And now don't say thats a bad reason, I mean doesn't christianity tell you, if you commit sins then you're going to hell? Thats all the same, we take killing animals as a sin, and we take hell, as your next life.

The ingredients, I don't recall saying anything about HARMFUL ingredients. Im talking about animal-derived ingredients, if I said harmful, I meant referring to me, for I for one don't wanna live in your description of hell for my next life.

Yeah, factory farms are the ones that are NOT in rural areas, the one that get the animals delivered to them and do all of the "dirty work". This is another reason for me to not support PETA, as you said not all farms have cruel people, I DEFINETLY agree with you on that. But its not like there isn't people who kill animals in incredibly crazy ways, I'd love to post some links for you guys to watch that are a FEW (not many, not all) of the farms that contain people hurting animals, when not required, but I know half of you wouldnt watch it in the first place

Well, alright, if the body rejects the vitamins then alright. But what chemicals do you speak of? The chemicals must somehow be IN the farms because how else would these creatures have their growth quickened so fast that they can barely walk? [have more links]

Well anyway, thanks for the vocabulary lesson on Omnivore, I need to re-do my 6th grade science, this site has gotten me so hooked that I haven't gotten my daily BW playing, Ill post later tonight or tomorrow morning

I see absolutely no point in being a vegetarian. Any reason to say that meat shouldn't be eaten is bs, but I'm not against people being vegetarian because it's their choice. It's pointless when they try to give reasons as to why meat is bad. Meat tastes pretty damn good and I'm not going to be vegetarian, because I like the taste of meat.

Look at nature, animals kill other animals all the time, because they need it for food. I even think that breeding animals to be eaten, when not treating them in a cruel way, is giving them an even better life than living in the wild where they have to fend for themselves and be killed in a probably painful way from another predator. As long as we don't kill for the hell of it, and actually kill animals to be consumed, there's nothing wrong with that.

I also don't understand why you can't apply the logic of, we shouldn't kill animals to, we shouldn't kill plants.

Plus before vitamin supplements, all the way back in history we probably HAD to eat meat. It was the only way to get any type of food. You would either hunt or gather, because agriculture wasn't around back then. So I don't think that killing animals is wrong, because EVERYTHING has been killed since life started.

Btw about the thing with all those harmful chemicals added to meat, what do you think is done to many plants? They are sprayed with tons of pesticides and chemicals so bugs don't get to them.

In conclusion, I believe that you eat what you want to eat, and I'll eat what you want to eat, just don't tell me what I should and shouldn't eat and I won't tell you what you shouldn't and shouldn't it. Same thing applies to religion, culture, and many other things. Preaching vegetarianism is just wrong.

I see your point devil, and those kinds of posts are what I wanted to see when I started this thread. I wanted reasons for people to be/not be vegetarian. I have my reasons, you have yours. What we ended up with was like fighting which religon was right or wrong...

stupid starcraft buddy left me for wow, so Im back here

Because his belief is that it's wrong to kill something that "thinks and feels". As far as we can tell, plants cannot, because they don't have pain receptors or brains. Why would they?
"all the way back in history". As in, before now.
Killing animals isn't nearly as vital to us as it was then.

And how many times has he said that the problem he has is the fact that many, though not all, animals are treated more cruelly than is necesary?

That's no reason to say that we shouldn't eat meat.



Doesn't make it wrong to eat meat though

Anyway in the future scientists will invent a tiny capsule you eat once a day that will contain EVERYTHING you would possibly need to life so you wouldn't even need to eat plants



It's all belief, it's like trying to say your religion is right and mine is wrong.

Depends on who you ask.
Eating meat brings money to the people that do those things, and thus in a way promotes it.


My point is that it's not as necesary to kill them now, which means that we don't need to do it as much as before. That, and that it could be more controlled so that there's no cruelty-farms.


True, but the same could be said as to whether it's okay for me to rip someone's dog's legs off so that it can't run away while I eat it because I can't find any other food sources and I'm starving.
Unrealistic example, but valid nonetheless.

I was referring to the actual number of creatures, not the percentage of them or the percentage of farms that do such things.


I'm not thinking straight at the moment, could you tell me the point of that statement?


"Turn against you"? No, just disagree with you.
"Wrong" with yours? I don't know of anything "wrong" with... whatever religion you said you were.