Report, edit, etc...Posted by rusell1993 on 2005-07-09 at 09:50:56
QUOTE(Zb2k @ Jul 7 2005, 07:23 PM)
Why do we have pain. How does it help us when we are running away from a madman with a knife to have the pain of the huge cut he gave you on your arm? The answer is, it doesn't. Why do we have pain? Pain does not help us when we are trying to think straight. When we are sick and we are in terrible pain, the pain doesn't help us get better. When you bang your knee cap into your desk by accident, why does it have to hurt so intensely? When you are a little child and you have to get that horrible shot at the doctor, why does it have to be so uncomfortable?
Why do we fear things? When that madman is chasing you with a butcher knife, being afraid doesn't help you think of a clear way to escape the situation.
On the other hand, sometimes the sense of feeling can help. For example, if you feel your friend tap you on the shoulder, it helps to have felt it happen. When you step outside, it helps to feel what the weather is like. But this still doesn't give us an explanation for the horrible feeling of pain.
One can come to conclude that there is no logical point of pain, except for one thing. Stupidity. Plain, and simple. Stupidity. The stupidity of our mind that thinks. What you use to think about what words to type in your sentence, or what 5+5 is. This is our conscious mind. It is stupid because it does not know when to stop. If it wasn't for pain, and the fear of it, it wouldn't be hard for a mentally healthy person to cut his/her own wrists. But, in reality, a mentally healthy person cannot cut their own wrist, because it would hurt too much. Or, without the fear of death (and perhaps pain), it would be easy for a mentally healthy person to put a loaded gun to their head and kill themselves.
If it was not for pain, we could easily stick our hands inside of a fire. If it was not for pain, we wouldn't know where and where not to go, like walking into a bee's nest.
And why is it that people are so afraid of dying? Most people are religious and believe they will go to heaven, or some form of it. Yet we are all afraid to die.
So of all of this, what can I conclude? That the only reason for pain and fear is to stop our dumb selves from killing ourselves.
This is all a theory of mine, what do you think?
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Why do we fear things? When that madman is chasing you with a butcher knife, being afraid doesn't help you think of a clear way to escape the situation.
On the other hand, sometimes the sense of feeling can help. For example, if you feel your friend tap you on the shoulder, it helps to have felt it happen. When you step outside, it helps to feel what the weather is like. But this still doesn't give us an explanation for the horrible feeling of pain.
One can come to conclude that there is no logical point of pain, except for one thing. Stupidity. Plain, and simple. Stupidity. The stupidity of our mind that thinks. What you use to think about what words to type in your sentence, or what 5+5 is. This is our conscious mind. It is stupid because it does not know when to stop. If it wasn't for pain, and the fear of it, it wouldn't be hard for a mentally healthy person to cut his/her own wrists. But, in reality, a mentally healthy person cannot cut their own wrist, because it would hurt too much. Or, without the fear of death (and perhaps pain), it would be easy for a mentally healthy person to put a loaded gun to their head and kill themselves.
If it was not for pain, we could easily stick our hands inside of a fire. If it was not for pain, we wouldn't know where and where not to go, like walking into a bee's nest.
And why is it that people are so afraid of dying? Most people are religious and believe they will go to heaven, or some form of it. Yet we are all afraid to die.
So of all of this, what can I conclude? That the only reason for pain and fear is to stop our dumb selves from killing ourselves.
This is all a theory of mine, what do you think?
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Well, pain actually does help you do things better. have u ever heard of the dead mans grip? if a person is dying and knows it, then they have the strength to bend metal and snap bones without a second thought.
Fear can help too. if u r thinking, "oh sh1t sh1t sh1t some crazy guy is right bhind me", it helps you to say 2 urself, "if i dont escape im dead". if u think that, then u can find a better way 2 escape quikly.
Pain and Fear can save ur life. thats y its there
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-09 at 11:34:52
Yea, with the fear, ever heard of fight or flight thing? It's all the adrenaline and the fear, you makes you fight or escape.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zb2k on 2005-07-09 at 13:38:43
QUOTE(rusell1993 @ Jul 9 2005, 07:50 AM)
Well, pain actually does help you do things better. have u ever heard of the dead mans grip? if a person is dying and knows it, then they have the strength to bend metal and snap bones without a second thought.
Fear can help too. if u r thinking, "oh sh1t sh1t sh1t some crazy guy is right bhind me", it helps you to say 2 urself, "if i dont escape im dead". if u think that, then u can find a better way 2 escape quikly.
Pain and Fear can save ur life. thats y its there
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Fear can help too. if u r thinking, "oh sh1t sh1t sh1t some crazy guy is right bhind me", it helps you to say 2 urself, "if i dont escape im dead". if u think that, then u can find a better way 2 escape quikly.
Pain and Fear can save ur life. thats y its there
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Not every dying person can bend metal as you said. It's not like of someone is terminally ill they become superman.
Also, when you are scared for your life most people freeze and lock up. In horror movies, anyone sometimes sees the killer or the monster, they run away. But that isn't usually the case. Usually people are too scared to think and they just freeze and lock up. So fear is not helping you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-07-09 at 13:50:53
Give me an example of someone being scared for their life, freezing and locking up. Actually, since most people do this, I want several examples.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-09 at 14:38:53
Intimidation does the whole lock up in fear. But sometimes people are just like, HOLY 
SHIT, THERE'S 500 FT MONSTER RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!!!!! And it's a mixture of awe as well as fear. That's why they would "lock up" in fear.
SHIT, THERE'S 500 FT MONSTER RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!!!!! And it's a mixture of awe as well as fear. That's why they would "lock up" in fear.Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-07-09 at 14:47:34
I'd also like to say theres different types of pain, as mention before. Considering that, there's actually pain that feels good, as mentioned before. Consider this:
You're wrestling with your friends. There are like 4 of you, just barraging each other senselessly with kicks and punches(not hard enough to kill though). So basically, after your done with your little fight, you sit your ass down, and start laughing like and idiot, for no aparent reason at all. And your body hurts like hell, but some of it feels good, oddly enough. This is called "good" pain, when your mind and body learn to interpret certain types of pain as a positive, rather then a negative. If you think about it, really, pain is just another learning method. It teaches you whats wrong and whats right. So does fear. They aren't always correct, however, which is why we have the capacity to learn past what pain and fear try to teach us. This is basically overcomming a fear and learning to ignore a pain. So in the end, it all depends on how you learn of pain.
You're wrestling with your friends. There are like 4 of you, just barraging each other senselessly with kicks and punches(not hard enough to kill though). So basically, after your done with your little fight, you sit your ass down, and start laughing like and idiot, for no aparent reason at all. And your body hurts like hell, but some of it feels good, oddly enough. This is called "good" pain, when your mind and body learn to interpret certain types of pain as a positive, rather then a negative. If you think about it, really, pain is just another learning method. It teaches you whats wrong and whats right. So does fear. They aren't always correct, however, which is why we have the capacity to learn past what pain and fear try to teach us. This is basically overcomming a fear and learning to ignore a pain. So in the end, it all depends on how you learn of pain.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-09 at 14:53:22
Pain:
1. An unpleasant sensation occurring in varying degrees of severity as a consequence of injury, disease, or emotional disorder.
2. Suffering or distress.
3. pains The pangs of childbirth.
4. pains Great care or effort: take pains with one's work.
5. Informal. A source of annoyance; a nuisance.
There is nothing such as "Good pain." You mean more like, pain can LEAD to good feelings. Like a guy getting hit with a whip because he's a naughtly little child, the whip would cause pain, which would then cause pleasure for him. (Or the whip may not even cause pain period)
Basically, I'm agreeing with you, just not on the label name. That's all.
1. An unpleasant sensation occurring in varying degrees of severity as a consequence of injury, disease, or emotional disorder.
2. Suffering or distress.
3. pains The pangs of childbirth.
4. pains Great care or effort: take pains with one's work.
5. Informal. A source of annoyance; a nuisance.
There is nothing such as "Good pain." You mean more like, pain can LEAD to good feelings. Like a guy getting hit with a whip because he's a naughtly little child, the whip would cause pain, which would then cause pleasure for him. (Or the whip may not even cause pain period)
Basically, I'm agreeing with you, just not on the label name. That's all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FallenDreamer on 2005-07-09 at 14:59:09
QUOTE(Alpha(MC) @ Jul 9 2005, 12:53 PM)
Pain:
1. An unpleasant sensation occurring in varying degrees of severity as a consequence of injury, disease, or emotional disorder.
2. Suffering or distress.
3. pains The pangs of childbirth.
4. pains Great care or effort: take pains with one's work.
5. Informal. A source of annoyance; a nuisance.
There is nothing such as "Good pain." You mean more like, pain can LEAD to good feelings. Like a guy getting hit with a whip because he's a naughtly little child, the whip would cause pain, which would then cause pleasure for him. (Or the whip may not even cause pain period)
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1. An unpleasant sensation occurring in varying degrees of severity as a consequence of injury, disease, or emotional disorder.
2. Suffering or distress.
3. pains The pangs of childbirth.
4. pains Great care or effort: take pains with one's work.
5. Informal. A source of annoyance; a nuisance.
There is nothing such as "Good pain." You mean more like, pain can LEAD to good feelings. Like a guy getting hit with a whip because he's a naughtly little child, the whip would cause pain, which would then cause pleasure for him. (Or the whip may not even cause pain period)
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Well, sorta, but not really in that sense. You know how athletes excersise and feel pain? Some actually like it, to some it feels good. I suppose you might be right with the whole "leading to a good feeling" thing, but you get the idea, right? I suppose a better way of putting it is "Pain in your favor".....wtf am I saying?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-07-09 at 15:50:58
Its known as "the masochist"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by AboJ_JD on 2005-07-10 at 05:45:19
ok, im not gonna repeat what everyone else says. so i'l say this.
We feel Pain because we can feel pleasure, without pain there wouldnt be pleasure, and without pleasure there wouldnt be pain. Simple as that.
We feel fear because it is a hyper active thought of our brain that is like an annoying 6 year old child in your head nagging on about certian Objects. For fear, its just your imagination telling you what you are afraid of.
We feel Pain because we can feel pleasure, without pain there wouldnt be pleasure, and without pleasure there wouldnt be pain. Simple as that.
We feel fear because it is a hyper active thought of our brain that is like an annoying 6 year old child in your head nagging on about certian Objects. For fear, its just your imagination telling you what you are afraid of.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-10 at 12:31:32
Oh yes I forgot about that point, exactly. If we don't know pain we can't know pleasure. We would have nothing to compare pleasure to. That was one of the themes in the book The Giver, it's about a utopia and crap.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-10 at 13:51:20
Great point devil and pimp masta brian.
I think we covered this subject now. I hope this gets closed before it some how gets ultra opinionated.
I think we covered this subject now. I hope this gets closed before it some how gets ultra opinionated.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-07-10 at 22:52:25
Yes we pretty much covered the subject, but I dont think it should be closed yet. Only if it goes out of hand or extremely retarded then we can close it 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Parthx86 on 2005-07-11 at 02:26:53
Somewhere on the first page someone said that if someone taps you on your shoulder, thats a good pain. Well, thats not erally pain now is it? Isn't that just your sense of touch telling you that you're being felt? (haha "being felt" 
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)Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-11 at 14:55:46
It's all opinion. What pain is to what person, might be pleasure to another. But we do share a lot of opinions when it deals with pain, like getting hit in the face with a sledgehammer, that we could all agree would easily be classified as pain. (Unless you're a kid that wants to feel unique, and say that you like it for some stupid ass reason. Or you're just using satire, which is almost always funny in my opinion) But it doesn't mean we share all of the same veiws of pain. What I'm trying to say is....
Thanks for allowing us to notice why we have pain, as if we already didn't know. Close this thread.
Thanks for allowing us to notice why we have pain, as if we already didn't know. Close this thread.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-07-11 at 18:07:32
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It's all opinion. What pain is to what person, might be pleasure to another.
Because those persons experiences of pain and pleasure are different. Some people also have more tolerance to pain than others. I have a history of fighting, (although now my life has mellowed down a lot) but I still don't really get hurt when punched in the face. I can just laugh it off.Fear has everything to do with adrenaline glands, like others have mentioned. THey secrete epinephorin and nor-epinephorin when we sense danger. This speeds up our heart and breathing, and constricts our veins so blood circulates quickly, creating a euphoria like experience as more oxygen is given to all our systems.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-11 at 18:38:22
I mean, i just noticed an obvious typo. I said what pain is to WHAT person instead of what pain is to ONE person. Man I feel stupid.
So you agree that it's all opinions? Good, now let's close this topic and move on.
So you agree that it's all opinions? Good, now let's close this topic and move on.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-11 at 18:39:37
Pain for a person, can be pleasure for another.
Ever heard of Sadists?
Ever heard of Sadists?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-11 at 19:27:04
Isn't more of Masochists? Sadists just enjoy inflicting the pain right? And Masochists like receiving the pain.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-11 at 20:07:15
If some forums get closed for repeating stuff, then how this isn't getting closed right now? That's all I'm saying.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-11 at 20:15:05
Forums get closed? I think you mean threads or topics, whichever you like to call them Though I was wondering the same thing too, it's been said earlier in this topic that there's nothing really to discuss since people basically proved why pain and fear are needed in the first few posts.
Though I was wondering the same thing too, it's been said earlier in this topic that there's nothing really to discuss since people basically proved why pain and fear are needed in the first few posts.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2005-07-11 at 20:16:41
Is that an indication that this thread is ready to be closed?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-07-11 at 20:17:50
Yes!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-07-11 at 21:22:23
QUOTE(devilesk @ Jul 11 2005, 07:15 PM)
Forums get closed? I think you mean threads or topics, whichever you like to call them Though I was wondering the same thing too, it's been said earlier in this topic that there's nothing really to discuss since people basically proved why pain and fear are needed in the first few posts.
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I did say forum didn't I? lol. My bad, I meant thread. Didn't reread what I typed too well. But ya, close this thread now, seriously.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-11 at 21:48:00
QUOTE(devilesk @ Jul 11 2005, 04:27 PM)
Isn't more of Masochists? Sadists just enjoy inflicting the pain right? And Masochists like receiving the pain.
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Exactly.