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A draft would just cause panic, leave the fighting to someone less likely to erm... miss the sky while shooting, on the white house lawn, president present, during some ceromony.

like i said before, you cant just break down a government and rebuild a new one. that is not fixing a government, that is makleing a new one. you cant just go in, add/ remove a few people and ideas, and have it be the same government. the goernment you all ant is gone. and theres nothign we can do about it, short of killiong off everyone in the world and re-strting from bacteria. that would be the only way to make a new government.



and there cant be a draft. its against the constituton.......i think......or somethign like that.

In that case, how about we just comeup with a set of rules that everyone likes and agrees with and leaves no one behind!
And let's make everyone be absolutely perfect because that is absolutely required for a perfect society!

If there is a draft this will become another Vietnam except this time we'll win (or at least stalemate) and in 30 years people will be discussing this war if it was right or wrong.

Man, I try and be flexable and I still get nailed

and no, I don't think there will be a draft becuase next year we are suppose to start pulling our troops out, no need for a draft and our military can last another year

• Socialize all vital domestic processes.(ihatett, read Greg Palast's book The Best Democracy Money Can Buy if you want to hear what globalization/privitization does to countries) Create government versions of many. (such as U.S Market, etc., etc.)
• Have the government ration out food and water.
• Striciter monitoring of corporations.
• Complete separation of church and state, legalize everything that doesnt violate another persons rights or possibly endanger the community.

ihatett, privitizing shcools and the post system is stupid, why do it. When I was a baby, my mom needed welfare. I'm still not a rich and by privitizing things your just telling the poor they can themselves. Privitization s things up, wanna know the reason Africa is in decline. They were climbing until the globalizers came. Same with Suth America. Wanna know why Venezuela is so big? Because they havent been privitized. Chile? They're dead. Wanna know why the California blackouts happened? Privitization. Why is privitization bad? Because companies want money, the government doesn't. The govenrment has a greater interest in your welfare and is less corrupt companies. If the gov't cheats, they don't get much out of it, it will probably be found out, then the officials in question be impeached.

1. Third world countries are aweful not because of capitalism, but because of a lack of two of its basic tenets. In those countries, private property is not respected, and the State has numerous police powers.

2. Unless you are dishonest (but hey, you're a socialist so that's not a suprise), you can't call the energy industry private. There is so much regulation involved (especially involving entering the market) that the words "free market" are the opposite of what is going on.

3. State programs cause the need thereof. Of course, the larger the government gets, the more that people will depend on it! In a free market, if someone still is poor, then they should rely on private voluntary charity, not involuntary seizure of property as you leftists advocate.

4. The State doesn't want to grow? Ridiculous! It always wants more programs, more taxes (theft), and more regulations. Always. The fact that you support the State -- the entity that gives itself a monopoly on the use of force, over private voluntary business -- is downright evil.

5. According to you, we should "legalize everything that doesnt violate another persons rights or possibly endanger the community". I agree whole-heartedly. However, the problem is that you don't. How does keeping your own money violate another person's rights? It doesn't! However, I'm sure you want it to be illegal to abstain from paying taxes, so don't act like you support liberty.




Grow up, man. If you want something paid for, pay for it yourself. Don't have the State hold a gun to my head and force me to, ok?

1.Third world was going upwards before increased privitization hit them.

2.Yeah, which is why we get very cheap electricity here, except when systems are privitized, like during the california incident.

3.Involuntary seizure of property? Where the did that come from? Besisdes, private voluntary charity doesnt do much, especially from corparate wonderful friends. They don't really care about poor people. Hell, I should know, my family survived on welfare for around a year after my mom divorced my dad. Have you ever felt the strain? The only private people that help would be nonprofit organizations.

4.The State doesn't want to grow as much as companies do. The State has more reason to be nice (keep the population in check, etc., etc.) then companies do. The State is under more scrutiny, therefore there corruption. The State is also pressured by other governments.

5.The State needs something for letting you live on their land, enforcing the laws, delivering your mail, etc., etc. Taxes are a neccesity, hey, your corporate government isnt going to be free to civilians either, is it now?

ihatett, stop pretending globalization and privitization works. The fact is that the U.S, proabably the greatest superpower, is the most regulated country, and yet one of the most powerful. Look at china, they're growing fast through socialism, as is Europe. The slow decline of America seems to concide with increased power of lobbiers and corporations as well as greator deregulatory policies.

China is radpidly becoming more capitalist (GO CHINA!); everyone knows this and everyone attributes the double digit economic boom they are having to this . There is an explosion in private wealth due to new markets and lower taxes. The fact that you would even say that China is succesful because of socialism shows that you have no clue what you are talking about, and that no one should even waste their time with you.

Also, Germany and France are much more socialist than the United States, and both have double digit unemployment, a bigger fiscal problem than we do here, and a much lower GDP per capita. That comment as well shows that you're just a 14 year old kid not worthy of my time.

Also, it's funny that you avoided my last comment, but the truth is: taxation is theft, by any definition of theft. And you advocate taxes. Sick.


Goodbye, and next time you try and spread bullsh*t, make sure you do it to people who don't know the facts.


edit: minor error involving two mixed up phrases

No, avoiding taxes is theft.How is paying the government for services theft? Hey, in your system will schools be free? Will people get tax breaks for poverty and other reasons?Will the postal service be free? No. It will be just what your gilded 10% want, again rising on the subjagtion of and disaisnt the working class.

Hey, capitalism is fine. Just not the whacked-corporatons-own-the-gov't schemes your proposing. I have no problem with ordinary capitalism, just your twisted neo-capitalist deregualtion ideas. Europe has never been big, but so what? They seem to be growing, look at the value of the euro. I said Europe, not Germany and France, analyze the overall E.U statistics, ihatett.

G/F's unemployment rate is usually not attributed to socialism, its usually attributed to the fact that Europeans dont have anough kids, so most of their population is in retirement.

Don't diss my age, I'm actually 13 but thats flaming. I can hold an intellignet debate with anyone here, including you. Hiding behind your age is no excuse.

Spread bull:poo:, yeah right. And how are my arguemnets bull:poo: and yours aren't? Grow up.

Anarchy...

1. You stated that China's success is due to socialism, when the opposite is true (and everyone with any knowledge of world events knows this).

2. About German/France: They can't pay for their immense social-welfare systems because there are fewer and fewer workers. However, that does not mean higher unemployment numbers. A 13 year old kid wouldn't know this, but unemployment is counted by how many people are actively searching for a job and can't find one. The elderly/kids/stay-at-home spouses/etc. are not counted. Again, learn the facts you damn hippe. That is caused by high taxation and regulations.

3. How about making taxes voluntarty!? Why do you insist on forcing me to pay for your programs? Pay them yourself. If you want something, you shouldn't take it by force from others. Mommy should have taught you that.

Come again when you are, well, not retarted, okay?

Later.

1.Hey, maybe I was worng on China. But once they go the privitization route, instead of the normal capitalism route, they will be in the s***hole.

2.Germany and France are two countries, out of the entire E.U. Hell, maybe they are in decline. I think they were probably too small to support a scoialistic infrastructure, although I'm not sure whether the flaw is with socialism itslef. Although I can give u a few case examples of the problems neo-capitalism and privitization causes.

3.Maybe we should make paying for services voluntary too![/sarcasm]

BTW, you ignored these:


How's that for ignoring arguemnets?

IHatett, if another country invades us, then we should start pooling our money? We'll want to defend ourselves, so we'll start paying for it then. What makes you think there's enough time? What makes you think everyone is going to work together so perfectly? We need some form of government to unite us for things such as defense. If I can't even coordinate ten of my friends into synchronized dance moves at a party, how are we going to fight off an invading army from another country? Ten million battles of a couple people against an army of several million isn't going to work. There's also no way we can use technology and advanced military equipment. The average man cannot afford a stealth bomber or a Gatling gun. Deregulation and privitization will not work in all situations.

Have you ever took into consideration that the word, free market, means that you can produce anything that you want as long as it doesn't go against federal regulations, statutes, or laws?

Just because it has the word free in it, doesn't mean you can willfully go and do anything you want to and bypass all the laws and regulations.

If you have taken Senior Economics with a teacher that knows what they are talking about, you will clearly have this stated to you.

Seems to me that you take the meanings of words, and twist and manipulate them for your arguements to make you sound like you know what you're talking about.

All you leftists pussies think we spend too much on the military anyways, so complaining about this would sort of contradict your ideas in the first place.


Ahh... so in other words... you're pretty much saying he's like a politician?

Yes Wes. I am.

Because anyone who knows anything about economics, would understand that Free Market means that entrepenours (However you spell it) have the right to go into anything that they possibly want. As long as it doesn't go against the rules and regulations the federal government has set up.

So if you was to completely privatize everything, they could create WMDs, Automatic Weapons, Illegal Substances, and everything else that the government has regulated.

So your ideas of privatizing an already private business, is kinda lame. And stupid at that matter because it would cause complete chaos.

Ihatett, I still am wondering how you think that taxes are a form of theft. Are you saying that paying the government for its services is a form of theft? The gov't couldn't run without taxes, and anyway they do give you returns and breaks for certain condidtion, better than if a day of school cost $0.95 for everyone, aka what ihatett would propose.
BTW, if any mods are reading this, whats my warn level just for reference? Thanks.

The government used to be able to run without taxes, but when things came (The deficit) we created taxes as a form of trying to get out of it (But with Presidents like Bush, we are only getting farther and farther in debt)

Don't argue with hate. It'll get you no where, he's too full of himself.

But do you agree that I am right? That is all I want to know.

Who, me? On the whole giving absolute power to company thing? IF you're asking me that question, I don't think you were reading my posts in the lite discussion area, under "democrats = communists?". It was on this same exact topic almost. And I was on the side against hate's idiotic economic plan. I was also the 1st one to go against that plan on that topic, I believe. (On that thread anyways)

But if that question is directed to hate, he's not gonna agree with you no matter what. Trust me.

Right now I dont find anything too wrong about our government, but heck, maybe something will go terribly wrong in the future.... maybe tomorrow

Deficted spending was instituted in order to put money back into the economy and stimulate it. It didn't just "come", there was a Great Depression... FDR increased government spending in order to help the economy and provide social welfare.

I'm not saying this was a good thing, maybe it should've been changed back AFTER the depression, but that's a whole other topic.

Woa, I leave for vacation, get a load of trouble from the border patrol... (don't ask.) and the family car breaks down half a mile away from the border...

Anyways...
Now now, be nice little children!

I think americans should be more united, ona national level at least. So what If I hate another school's guts or whatever, as a nation we should try to be united. (Hell, it's in our country's name!)