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and their radical side of their religion that they will get 40 virgins when they go to heaven if they kill infedals.

We are building those things (schools, powerplants, governments facilities, etc) in Iraq right now and the so called 'Freedom Fighters' keep bombing them -.- .

And please provide proof that we are 'taking' their oil...... Gas prices are still reaching record highs, the 2 main off shore shipping docks in Iraq are still stable and gaurded for shipping and trading. Where is this oil we have taken? Until gas/oil prices drop I think that arguement should be invalid.
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First of all that is not the mainstreem religion. Only a limited faction has joined Vakhabism. Yes we are building the powerplants, but only after we have killed over 100,000 of their civillians, only after we have destroyed the entire infrastructure, the power plants, water supplies, electricity and such. Oh wait, let us not forget about the trade and aid embargo US imposed on Iraq resulting in thousands of deaths due to starvation.
They are only responding to their invasion. Think about it: If Russia allied with China and said "THE UNITED STATES PLANS A BIOLOGICAL ATTACK ON EUROPE, with facts being FIXED around the policy of military invasion, causing more than 100,000 deaths, would you just sit there and say "YAY FREEDOM LOL"? Well you might say "Iraq was not free but we are ROFEL ROFEL". Said who? If you ask the Iraqis they will say that the Hussenian dictatorship allowed more liberties than the United States Marital law that is in effect in Iraq.
READ THE DOWNING STREET MEMO.
Chris, you need to stop being so closed minded, keep trustign your corporate media and your savior president and don't look around. I can rebut any of your arguements with scientific and/or documential evidence. Please just try to understand what is really going on rather than the fairy tail you hear on your Fox News.

lil off-topic from the terrorism thing but...


that wasn't the aim of the war. as lincoln states, if he could win the war by not freeing the slaves, he would do it, if he could win by freeing them, he would do it. It was all about putting the union back together.

mmmm do you want me to feel sorry for you? My dad gets pulled to the side before boarding planes ALLL the time to get checked, and HIS name is Clayton........ Seriously dude, it happens to EVERY ONE, just chill, you can thank the terrorists for causing all this.

And I know their section of Islam is small, but their section has been causing the most bang these past few years so what do you want me to call them, jewish?



And KABOOM, another liar trying to get his point accross. 100,000 civilians deaths HA. Try getting REAL results from people that agree with you . Min. 23,500 -- Max. 26,700 civilian deaths.

www.iraqbodycount.net/

But I still see your point, any civilian death should be avoided, thank the terrorists for most of the deaths

Try reading "They Just Don't Get It" by David Hunt (Army Ret.)
This book bashes the Bush administration and tells every one exactly what we are doing wrong and how there are ways to fix what we have done. This book also includes the Al Quada training manuel translated into english.

Trade Dealio: You can thank Saddam for that -.-

And if YOU ask any Iraqi, they say they are much happier now becuase of the liberation. WOMEN can vote now and they have more liberties then they did before Saddam. I mean hey!?! The youth Iraqi soccer team just beat a couple British teams in a tournement in Britian, and there is a girl's soft ball team in Bagdad right now that started up....... Im predicting that its the youth of Iraq that will carry this dream on more then their elders will.

And I trust my information from first hand accounts from Brad Jenison, Army Ranger soon to be retired so he can go to college, been to Iraq twice and Aphganistan once.

And seriously, what do you have against Fox News? SERIOUSLY GROW UP its JUST a news channel, I mean I'm sorry its ratings are number 1 since mmm forever....



well, still a war stopped slavery directly or indirectly.

do you ever thing of anything OTHER than war? honestly......... every topic your in, its about war. and dont you think that 1 death it to many? well, i do.....but on the other hand, why dont we just nuke them, and come home? it worked once........ an I get checked at every security point cus i always carry my back pack, and it looks all bombish when its full of my stuff.....so yeah......ANYWAY!



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Every country? I don't think I've seen third world countries do this.

And as for my last point ... Jesus by definition was pretty much a terrorist. I don't believe and never will believe that terrorism is always in the form of violence. Go ahead and throw dictionary definitions at me, they won't change my view of it.

You mean stop trying to solve other countries problem by force.

= Amount Chris has said about "helping, not hurting"

You see, raiding people's houses isn't gonna make them happy, its gonna breed more terrorists. If they don't find what they need, the soldiers should at least say sorry and help clean things up. We need to help build more stuff.

Also, we shouldn't have dissassembled the iraqi army in the first place. We could have used them as the security force. They already had a blamload of guns, and they'd be happy to still have a job. But no. We dissassembled that army, and guess who are the resistance forces actively targeting the US army?

I really don't think there is anything we can do about terrorists. As long as there are people on this rock, there are going to be "evil" terrorists.




It could be much worse if we used Saddam's old army as the security force. Iraqi soldiers still loyal to Saddam could easily attack our troops behind there backs if we turned the former iraqi army into the security force.

Ok first off, you keep saying we should be building and bla bla bla, THATS WHAT WE ARE DOING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

Ok, second off, we aren't doing it enough. !!!!!!111

And we should help other islamic countries. !!!!!!!!111

How do you know that? How can YOU say we aren't doing it enough? Do you realize that America (citizen wise) is the most generous country in the world? We donated the most money for the tsunami victems and to the countries effected by it. We send people over to Africa and etc.

We air-dropped food into many arab countries, but most farmers didn't touch it becuase they didn't know what peanut butter was and were told it was poisen from the Americans -.-

We have spent billions contructing important good facilities and still its not enough....

thank all these problems on the terrorists...

Ya, the terrorists building a weather controlling machine that brought forth the tsunamis. Sorry, I'm just being an wonderful friend.

"Who cares"? Only a handful die from terrorist attacks.

More than 10000 people die from smoking every year. I might have estimated a little too low, but they choose to die anyway...

*Deathknight finds a better reference...



Ok, based on this information, that's a lot of deaths. I think people are taking terrorism a little too seriously, and crimes commited in their own country less seriously than they should.

Ya, we need to fight a better war on crime. It'll save more american lives, as well as upgrade how we live. Of course you can't get rid of it all together, but I'm positive we can at least cut it in half within 10 years.

Off Topic

For your info Stars, Aluminum cannot make steel topple to the ground...

And think about this. Common sense here.. If you were to run into something, would it not topple? Instead of crumble straight down?

So right there proves that the Two Towers had Demolition used on them. Because when demolition is used, the building falls STRAIGHT DOWN. It does not topple.

Just something to think about.

P.S. Go ahead and let it go in one ear, and right out the other. Because that is what you seem to do.... All the time...

I have heard many stoires and theories about 9/11. Including the so called 'missle' that hit the pentagon. They are valid points

But here is how think the buildings went down. The planes that hit the towers were long range planes, carrying ALOT of fuel. Plane hits building, fuel+explosions cause fires. Buildings do not topple right over becuase I remeber watching the discovery channel and they said something about earth quake designs in the building so the building would sway or something. Anyway the fires are at extreme temperatures and cause the iron super structure to weaken and bend. Then wieght of all the floors on top of the crash site levels is too much for the weakened iron supports and the building virtually pancakes it self to the ground.

The weakening of the iron supports is exactly what demo men do to make buildings fall down flat. They attach TNT and well you know the rest. But in fact I do beleive alot of damage was done to other buildings around the towers. Such as the other world trade buildings due to the collapses of the two major world trade center buildings.

And I believe a national geographic or something about 9/11 on the discovery channel will be on soon, like in a week or something.

By the way, I watched A documentary on this aswell. If you watch the Twin Towers fall, while it does happen, you can notice the Demolition. As its going down, If you look closely, You can tell explosions took place in every floor. You can tell explosions exploded horizontally out by the windows in every floor while you see it going down. Of course, you won't see this if you watch it in regular speed. You will have to watch it zoomed in and in slow motion.

Something else thats very Bizzare is that such demolition taking a building straight down takes alot of planning and weeks.

And As Kellimus stated, Aluminium does not make a Steel Building collapse or *Twitch*. A fire does not spread either. They have Spinkler systems to shut down fires when detected.

Edit: Quoted by S.T.A.R.S-Chris: Anyway the fires are at extreme temperatures and cause the iron super structure to weaken and bend. Then wieght of all the floors on top of the crash site levels is too much for the weakened iron supports and the building virtually pancakes it self to the ground.

Yes, this is the Supposed truth the White House has released. This is not a plausible theory though. Even if the fuel caused a tremendous fire whatsoever. Fire only goes upwards and does not go down. If What you say is true about the weaking and bending etc. It should've only effected the top part where it crashed, not the entire STEEL building.

Can't believe I'm helping STARS but...

FYI, Kellimus, the plane is a BIGASSED PASSENGER JET, most likely built to be RIGID and UNEASILY DESTROYED. Plus, the building's inside isn't completely steel, so once the plane break through the walls, it has an easy time till the next wall, allowing it to gouge a bigassed hole in a Tower.

And since there is a big assed hole in the middle of the tower, the building collapses downward because the two little pillars left in the middle, cant support the upper portion of the building. So the upper portion smashes down and pancakes the lower portion.

10 or more floors is a massive amout of weight, the building crumbled under the weight. and didn't you hear? When we invaded Aphganistan and raided terrorist camps, we found out that it took over 5 years to plan attack. Hey maybe the terrorists were the ones who planted so called explosives???

We do have video tape of Osoma stating about the weakening of the super structure and thats what he planned for to happen.

I'll try to answer politely. Your...Uhh, Post is a work of fiction. First of all, A plane is made out of Aluminium Which by the way, tears apart quite easily. A Passenger Jet, no matter the size, tears up easily. All the plane should've done is crash and go through a tiny bit. The plane is made out of Aluminium, think for a second. Do you really believe that an Aluminium plane (Which is very fragile by the way, even against popula belief) Was able to make a STEEL (Once again, I repeat) building Collapse downward and leave nothing but wreckage. Seriously, I'll repeat again, A PLANE CANNOT DO THE DAMAGE YOU SAW ON THE TWIN TOWERS. A plane is huge alright, Buts its not STEEL, ITS ALUMINIUM. Have you guys ever seen plane accidents? When those accidents occur and the plane impacts on something, It basicly tears up like butter. A PLANE IS NOT STRONG AT ALL.

By the way, Never ever in history has a building collapsed that way because of a Plane crash. This was clearly Demolition. As I said In my previous Post, If you look clearly at the video where you can see (You can find videos of 9/11 everywhere on the internet) That every floor exploded due to demoliton. OF course, you cannot see this if you go in normal speed, You have to watch it carefully and slowly. There also has been documentaries on 9/11. I suggest you all to see a few. Oh, And no don't watch one created by the Bush Administration, I think we all know what their theory already is. Watch one made by a different source and see what they have to show.

Seriously guys, its so ridiculous that you think a plane can create such damage. First of all, FIRE HAS NEVER WEAKENED AND BENDED STEEL. Thats one STRAIGHT FACT. And lets say the Plane actually managed to burn the building to such a point and the tower magically crumbled. What a coincidence that it crumbled right straight down and not on to the city? When a building crumbles and falls straight down into itself, It takes Extremely planning. And its dealt with Demolition, not a random plane crash into a building.

To Answer Chris: No, it cannot be terrorists who did that. No, I do not believe that 2 of the most important buildings in the United States who have Cameras EVERYWHERE inside and alarms and is highly protected was not able to figure out Some random guys were taking alot of space to carefully plan and implant Demolition.
By the way, One last point. Why didn't the Us-airforce stop those planes? What was the cause? After several minutes of a plane going off-course and that has stopped all communication, There are Jets sent to intercept IMMIDIATLY. But, Ahem, There were no planes sent to intercept whatsoever. What a coincidence...........

Exactly. The Air Force should have taken those planes out, even if they were passenger planes.

And I like your points about the Aluminum shreading.

For example. Let's get an aluminum can. If you get this can, and smash it with all your might against a cement wall. What happens? The can crushes. Aluminum is the plane, and Steel is the cement wall. I find it ludacris how you guys believe a plane can cause so much damage, just like Aikanaro has said.

And fire, even fuel fire, cannot make Processed Steel "weaken" and "bend". Do you know that Processed steal is one of the strongest known substances known to man?

Anyways, this is pointless to even argue with you guys, because you're to ignorant to even consider that we may have a point.

Have a nice day

I've never heard of what Kellimus and Aikanaro have been talking about ever.

So if it really was demolition, then the government intentionally killed all those people and screwed our economy on purpose? I don't know how such a conspiracy like that could happen with something like 9/11 without many people noticing.

And were there not many people there to witness the planes colliding into the twin towers? How does that fit in with demolition and make the levels explode?

Also you're saying a passenger plane can't do that much damage to a building, then what should it do? What should a fragile aluminum plane going like 400 mph do when it hits a tall steel building?

I'm thinking that once a plane hits a steel building something has to happen even if the plane crushes. Say once the plane is crushed, such as when you smash a soda can, what if it still has a lot of force and still has all the momentum and weight crashing into the steel. What happens then? Does the aluminum just like flatten out completely?

Also, even though there is steel, weren't the buildings made up of many other things? Such as the windows taking up a lot of the space.

In documentaries I've heard that the Twin Towers were built to withstand a hit from one of the smaller sized passenger jets, but not the one it was hit with.


I just think you need to show more evidence.

So far the best conclusion is that seeing is believing the planes would do damage no matter what I wanna know is the plane that went down in pensilvenia was supoosively shot down ne thoughts

About the conspiricy... If you have noticed, our nation is full of idiots...

If you notice, the planes explode... So how could they "break" into the building...?

I agree... But windows do not hold up a building... The frame does...

Most documenteries kinda falsify the info a bit...

Any more questions... I'll try to answer you...

But i'm just a pathetic loser that "hates" my country because I dispise the polititians that run it...

Oh, you can't forget... I'm an idiot, too...