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Sirhan Sirhan killed Bobby Kennedy in 1968...The USA's first high profile islamic terrorist attack.

One dead and 11 injured at the Munich Airport in 1970 by islamic terrorists.

11 Israeli Olympic team members and 9 hostages died in 1972 by islamic terrorists.

US Ambassador to Sudan killed in 1973 by islamic terrorists.

Destruction 707 and hijacking of Lufthansa aircraft follow the murder of 30 in Rome in 1973 by islamic terrorists.

Air France jet is hijacked and flown to Entebbe Uganda in 1976 where Israeli Commandos rescue 258 from islamic terrorists.

66 American diplomats are kidnapped and held hostage in Iran for 444 days in 1979 by islamic terrorists

The Grand Mosque in Mecca is seized and hundreds held hostage in 1979. 250 are murdered and 600 injured by 200 islamic terrorists.

Anwar Sadat is murdered in 1981 by islamic terrorists.

Lebanese President Bashir Gemayel is murdered in 1982 by car bomb set by islamic terrorists.

Leon Klinghofer was murdered and thrown from the Achille Lauro in 1985 by islamic terrorists.

Two US Soldiers and a Turkish woman were killed in a Berlin nightclub in 1986 by islamic terrorists.

Now this is just up to 1986! And America has done nothing to these people!!! We have tryed peace, and got attacked on 9/11. We have now gone on the offensive, it seems to prove we are killing more terrorists, but I think we are winning every battle but slowly losing this global war becuase of high ranking news channels making our cause out to be barbaric. Now you can debate Iraq all day, but the over all idea of what we are trying to do is clear.

I just want your input on how YOU think we should conduct this new era of evil. Now NO debating about Bush/Iraq/hganistan.

I don't believe anyone can defeat terrorism. Terrorism is more of a mindset. It's not its own country or race of people. I live in Oklahoma City and I remeber the bombing that took place here 10 years ago. It was done by an American! He got into the mode of thinking that violence and chaos was the way to stop the direction the world was taking.

Also, alot of terrorists believe that they're doing the right thing because of religion or upbringing or just being nuts. Some will go unpunished because of their social standing or cleverness, and others will be hunted down.

I just think the whole idea of trying to defeat a way of thinking is kind of absurd. I do believe those that commit individual acts should be dealt with, but it's stupid to think the whole problem of terrorism can be stopped.

That's my two cents.

well we stopped slavery, took a war to do it, and that was a pretty iron-clad mind set o.O

While I can't speak from experience, I would think that most people who commit a terrorist act are usually thinking that they are carrying out some kind of vigilante justice. Terrorism is illegal. But that doesn't stop people who believe - for whatever reason - that they are doing the right thing.

Now, slavery is also illegal. There are some, quite a few I'm sure, that would like the idea of owning people they feel are inferior. But not many have actually tried to bind someone into slavery since the outlawing took place. Some have though, I heard on the news recently about a hardcore Mormon organization that would keep the daughters of their sector in a small campground kind of area and make them work and brainwash them to worship men.

Also, I'm sure there are plenty of places in the world where slavery, or some form of it, are still allowed. The mindset still exists.

Chris, sorry but your entire post seems to be an attack singularly upon MY RELIGION. I AM ISLAMIC. And, you fail to mention ANY OTHER terrorist activities that happened, such as the IRA in England.

If you ask me, the american cause IS BARBARIC, because most of the bush-lovers i've talked to call for the EXTERMINATION of islam.

America has to make peace, not pieces, with Shiite clerics, and supply aid to to islamic countries.

And, if you'd notice, not all islamic people are vicious, bloodthirsty anti-americans. Rather, america is making islamic people into vicious, bloodthirsty anti-americans by trying to make peace with an iron fist.

Well, it's like a circle of aggression.

Some militants attack the US for whatever reason ---> US responds with aggression ---> Previously ordinary people take up arms against whom they see as an occupying force ---> US responds with aggression ---> More people take up arms ---> etc.

Here's a quote from a book I'm reading:



And I agree fully with this person, despite being said by a Catholic Reporter.

and thats what I said in my post...

Read about Global Stratification and try to find the movie "Rich World, Poor Women". You will find out a lot about how corporations (not only from the US) exploit out sourcing programs all around the world making 3rd world countries worse off than they already are. They are starting up factories where they pay people insanely low amounts of money and then closing these factories when they're done with them or when people start demanding things from them (forming a union) like higher pay or some actual benefits. It's not the US in general (and please do not use 'America' that refers to the entire continent) but the corporations found within the US that are doing these very evil things.

There have been laws and programs made to prevent this stuff but it still does happen and it's not effective. Some of the programs are actually making things even worse!

This is just one reason why so many countries hold aggression to the US in general. The US lets corporations get away with this crap.

So does every country Chu. Japan lets Japanese corporations get away with things. For example, they often make US corporations take months to patent something in Japan, but in the meantime a Japanese corporation can simply copy the idea and patent it quickly.

The one word that makes islam bad:
EXTREMEIST

Otherwise, my only problem is their stance towards women.

Who doesn't worship their mom for giving brith to them?
Not worship like a god, but respect, love, admirer, and hopefully support when she's old?

CheeZe's quote, Will and Snake)Ling sum up my opinions and views almost perfectly.

The 3 views are some what similar, but not exactly. But I think, all three have the same conclusion that the fault in this is not in other countries but in America.

My opinion is that America's current way of handling terrorism is only making the problem worse , it's not helping.

TO INFESTED: What the hell man? Islam isnt against women, extremist islamic nations create this out of thin air. It states in the Koran that women are much better at horseback riding than men, and are to be treated as equals.

Chris, the side you're on is fighting an idea, not an army. Terrorism has no country, terrorism has no 1 politics or 1 religion, or just 1 group of people. It's like what the 2nd post said, it's a mind set. And trust me when I say this, it's down right full of double standards. If I walked out side with a AK-47 and starting shooting people in the name of jesus christ, I would just be a psycho. But If I walked out side and started shooting people in the name of Islam, I would be a psycho AND a terrorist. Go figure.

Terrorism will never end. Never.

We might as well be fighting an Army becuase there are thousands of terrorists that are attempting to fight us, and are getting defeated quickly.

I know it has no countries. But many middle eastern countries support terrorism/ the terrorist actions against the United States and her allies.

I'm only bringing up islamic terrorist actions becuase those are the majority of what we are fighting right now. And they seem to be the groups who attacked us before 9/11 with out a cause.

Im showing you guys this becuase this shows how the US tryed not doing anything in result to terrorist attacks and that only caused more terrorist strikes.

Do you even know what a terrorist is?


Seriously, you don't know do you?


Yeah, I'm convinced, you don't know.

A terrorist is a person trying to use force against another person with the intention to either scare them or change their mind. Terrorists aren't random people who fight you (quote 1),and terrorists aren't against a country, they're against the people within a country (quote 2).

Quote 3 didn't have any relevancy.


Perhaps reading the three opinions more carefully will change your mind.Doing nothing, you say, is wrong; but does that automatically make doing something right? Of course not!

Obviously your thinking in a theoretical way about things, you can't think like that right now becuase your dealing with terrorist who take advantage of people like you to kill other people or yourself, and DUH I KNOW WHAT THE A TERRORIST IS.

Do you know ANYTHING about the middle east? DO YOU know anything about the people who are in control of the middle east countries??? THEY ARE NOTHING LIKE THE WESTERN WORLD.

And do you even understand what Im saying??? Many people are saying that if we jsut leave them alone then they will leave us alone, or to that point. and Im saying we TRYED THAT and 9/11 happened.

And you are a moron to think I don't know what a terrorist is, seriously. And your an even bigger moron to not understand about my statment about countries supporting terrorism. Now lets just break it down for you ok? Country: Places where people live/rulers live. Support: helping directly or indirectly. Terrorist/ism: One person compitting an act to terrorize others for his/her gain.
Ok you still with me? A country that helps a terrorist. Now thats not toooo hard now is it?

Biggest terrorist supporters are *drum roll*

IRAN! SYRIA! SAUDI ARABIA (They can lie all they want we got proof)! AND MY PERSONAL FAVORITE PAKISTAN!!!!111

These middle eastern countries directly or indirectly help terrorists move supplies, sleep in safe beds and spread their hate ideas.




NOW that we have that all cleared up, my main idea for this thread was to discuss different methods of countering this threat from terrorists all over the world. I tryed using simple english with you guys and obviously some of you didn't understand.

Chris, I think that YOU are the one who doesn't know anything about middle eastern countries and their leaders, Saudi Arabia are against terrorism, I don't have no idea where you got that bullblam about them supporting terrorism.

Read this Q&A before responding:

http://cfrterrorism.org/coalition/saudiarabia.html

The better question is, do you know what it's like?

I know how badly third world countries are. I used to live in China, and they live the luxery compared to them. Have you tried comparing the United States with China? No competition, the United States is the life of luxery.

So, you're sitting here, taking everything for granted while people over there have no clean water, shelter or even food. You're sitting here, arguing that they should be destroyed because they have an idea.

Seriously, stop letting emotions get in your way of thinking; be open minded.


Please point out where I said to leave them alone. Unless I actually mistyped something, I believe I support actions, but not the current ones being used.


Countries supporting Terrorism:
A place (where people live) that helps (whether it be directly or indirectly) people (who terrorizes for his or her own gain).

So, this would translate to "A place that helps people". Quite obvious you didn't mean this.

Also, by definition, just years ago, the United States are considered terrorists for using force upon others for policitical reasons. Actually, I think we're doing that now.


The three that we gave you:




Perhaps you should respond to the answers rather than misjudging them?

and their radical side of their religion that they will get 40 virgins when they go to heaven if they kill infedals.

We are building those things (schools, powerplants, governments facilities, etc) in Iraq right now and the so called 'Freedom Fighters' keep bombing them -.- .

And please provide proof that we are 'taking' their oil...... Gas prices are still reaching record highs, the 2 main off shore shipping docks in Iraq are still stable and gaurded for shipping and trading. Where is this oil we have taken? Until gas/oil prices drop I think that arguement should be invalid.




Not entirely directed to you but I felt the above quote you make you understand.



mmmm no. Keep drinking the kool aid my friend. We want to exterminate all terrorist groups, not Islam -.-



And how do you see it that we end this in victory?

We can't. They'll fight us for a thousand years unless we nuke em all.

You don't want that, do you?

Ssuurree. So is it an isolated event when my brother (who has a first name of Mohammed) is searched with a wide variety of bomb-sniffers, and his bags are handsearched, when the next person with a normal american name like "John" isn't heavily searched?

My brother went to a Quake II tournament and won 4000$ and got a novelty giant cardboard check. It was about an inch thick. Before the flight home, Airport security notices his name is Mohammed, and then he starts to be searched, while they go over the novelty check with bomb sniffers. WTF, mate?

And you state we aren't taking oil? Dude, even if we didnt invade Iraq for the oil, any smart person would take the oil! If we are in there already and not doing anything good, we should at least get ourselves some oil to help the war effort.

And would I be wrong in stating that you have ignored the arguments that we should stop hurting, and start helping? People are alot less inclined to kill those that make their lives better.

Almost all followers of Islam (which is a massive religion) do not believe in that sort of thing, just like most Christians are moderate and do not follow some of the more dodgy teachings in the Bible which, like the Koran, has verses about killing one's enemies and so on (I think this is mainly Old Testament though). However, I guarantee that if the US was Islamic and as powerful as it is now, with a great standard of living, and the countries of the Middle-East were Christian, poor and subject to direct and indirect embargoes by the Islamic US, then the Western world would be fighting against Christian terrorism, not Islamic terrorism. It isn't really a question of religion, it's a question of poor living standards and their causes.



Yes, it is commendable that the US is attempting to rebuild Iraq (contracting the jobs out to Western contractors, no less), and I certainly do not support the terrorist actions (they are deliberately attacking civilian as well as military targets) of the insurgents who are trying to debstabilise the country further.



I don't think that a victory will be attained, to be honest. You can only hold out until the Iraqi security forces are strong enough to cope with the insurgency, then leave and hope for the best.