Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-09-03 at 06:32:22
QUOTE(fishgold @ Sep 3 2005, 01:23 PM)
You mean "Grid System" that Bolt_Head invented? Well then, you can not really say it's random. Here is the definition of random.
"To be random, there must be nothing that influence the selection. In other words, everything in table must have same probability of being chosen at all time."
But in your system, the time decides which location to be selected. If player shoots cannon early, say as soon as game starts, then the first location will be selected. Even if it's hard for player to predict which location to be selected because system moves location very fast, it is still not random. It doesn't matter whether player can predict the selection or not. If there is anything that influence the selection, then it's not random.
And for some people who might think "Junkyard Dog (Roam around)" is random, well, it is not. Perhaps, StarCraft engine chooses cooridnate(Destination) randomly, but their current cooridnate IS directly influced by previous coordinate. So it is not random.
However, if Junkyard Dog AI teleports unit, then it is random.
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"To be random, there must be nothing that influence the selection. In other words, everything in table must have same probability of being chosen at all time."
But in your system, the time decides which location to be selected. If player shoots cannon early, say as soon as game starts, then the first location will be selected. Even if it's hard for player to predict which location to be selected because system moves location very fast, it is still not random. It doesn't matter whether player can predict the selection or not. If there is anything that influence the selection, then it's not random.
And for some people who might think "Junkyard Dog (Roam around)" is random, well, it is not. Perhaps, StarCraft engine chooses cooridnate(Destination) randomly, but their current cooridnate IS directly influced by previous coordinate. So it is not random.
However, if Junkyard Dog AI teleports unit, then it is random.
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There is no way that somebody could shoot the cannon at the start of map. And have you played the map? If not then play it. It is as random as you want. And there is no need for complicated random system if this works fair enough.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by fishgold on 2005-09-03 at 06:50:22
QUOTE(DEAD @ Sep 3 2005, 10:32 PM)
There is no way that somebody could shoot the cannon at the start of map. And have you played the map? If not then play it. It is as random as you want. And there is no need for complicated random system if this works fair enough.
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Ok, but what if there is sequence of shots in very short interval? If player shoots the cannon consequetly then any area that has been already passed off won't be selected.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-09-03 at 06:54:11
QUOTE(fishgold @ Sep 3 2005, 01:50 PM)
Ok, but what if there is sequence of shots in very short interval? Location would move from left to right and bottom to top, right? If player shoots the cannon consequetly then any area that has been already passed off won't be selected.
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And that is why?
ADDITION:
BTW I just tested and it is still random....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by fishgold on 2005-09-03 at 07:08:11
QUOTE(DEAD @ Sep 3 2005, 10:54 PM)
And that is why?
ADDITION:
BTW I just tested and it is still random....
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BTW I just tested and it is still random....
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When I get home, I will try to shoot cannon like crazy
, and of course, in very very very slow motion and see if it is really random.By they way, I know it's hard to find appropriate word. Even myself, would call it random, not because I don't know whether it's random or not, it's because I don't know the right word for it.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-09-03 at 07:23:01
QUOTE(fishgold @ Sep 3 2005, 02:08 PM)
When I get home, I will try to shoot cannon like crazy , and of course, in very very very slow motion and see if it is really random.
By they way, I know it's hard to find appropriate word. Even myself, would call it random, not because I don't know whether it's random or not, it's because I don't know the right word for it.
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, and of course, in very very very slow motion and see if it is really random.By they way, I know it's hard to find appropriate word. Even myself, would call it random, not because I don't know whether it's random or not, it's because I don't know the right word for it.
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What do you mean by "even myself"?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Scotinator on 2005-09-03 at 18:44:31
Ok thanks Im making it right now
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2005-09-04 at 20:23:40
Very very good.
I'd like to see a map using that as a main concept
Like, maybe a six player map.
3v3
2 Cannon operators
and four Idunno, troops or something trying to kill the cannons.
I'd like to see a map using that as a main concept
Like, maybe a six player map.
3v3
2 Cannon operators
and four Idunno, troops or something trying to kill the cannons.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by uberfoop on 2005-09-05 at 14:30:16
meh this is kinda kool but nothing new. they have a very similar thing in lotr-minas tirith, a thing like this but w/o the firing animation in battle for osgiliath, etc...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Reap_This_Whirlwind on 2005-09-12 at 08:02:54
Hmm I can't try it right now cause Ihave to leave for school real quick like here.
But it sounds pretty cool.
But it sounds pretty cool.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Teck on 2005-09-13 at 23:34:20
great idea
it would be a huge hit on bnet
it would be a huge hit on bnet
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-18 at 21:06:26
Awsome Idea for a defense. It would use the accuracy bullet system and would have a scourge as a target. It would be in FFA format. So you spend money on building units to kill the other people. You get money for having kills. you could build like walls and stuff that the attackers could break and your cannon could blow up. It would be really cool. Also you could upgrade attack of cannon to have massive splash and greater range ect.