Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sniper on 2005-09-13 at 18:55:02
No. The only reason bush started a war was because they "supposedly" had weapons of mass destruction, sure are doing a good job hiding them ;/. If you guys bomb them your sinking to their level and practically wiping out another race.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-09-13 at 18:57:23
I think a nuke is completely unnecessary. This isn't even like a World War or anything.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-09-13 at 20:34:45
Should we nuke the whales? (for the brain dead, the answer to this is the same as tot the topic question)
How on earth hasn't this been locked? I voted yes just because this poll is so stupid.
How on earth hasn't this been locked? I voted yes just because this poll is so stupid.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2005-09-13 at 20:49:26
QUOTE(yeow @ Sep 13 2005, 05:44 PM)
So you say your going to believe a bunch of random people out on the internet somewhere who created/have proof of some conspiracy story, and they just post it out on the internet? Honestly, the media is the only way your ever going to get SEMI-Credible news. I do believe that the Media/Bush Administration lie about stuff, but how else are you going to get information up in the goverment? I'd rather believe the Media than a bunch of people on the internet who believe they have proof from most likely Media-Based Sources.
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You don't get it man. Were not talking about Random Guys on the internet that *maybe......Think...* They found proof. I was giving an example. ONLY AN EXAMPLE. Urgh, The sources that talk about the other side of the story are not random guys on the internet. They are professionals that Think that What you are being fed by the media is Not true. So, They researched it themselves. Checking out Historical facts comparing it to the Incompentency of the United States this day. They also point out many factors. Such as a Scientific point of view, The Facts and impossible Incompetence from the part of the military that day. Also pointing out that the plane that crashed in the twin towers was not a Passenger plane. They show so many things. And they always show proof. Its not as if they are taking it out of their --- Without even giving proof. They show proof, And lots of it too. They Make whole documentaries on this subject. On every point of View of 9/11. Go on the internet and search for these documentaries, I can assure you it will take you a second. Watch them, And if your so sure that they're wrong, you've nothing to fear from watching it. If your not even willing to even Research this, Much less watch the documentaries, It only means your not willing to take a Full look at the other side of the story. Which in that case, You should even stop Argumenting with me. Its no use. It would mean you are pathetic, trying to argue with me when you don't even research it. Most people on Serious Discussion don't even take the time to research it. They take their info out of their ---, For the sake of arguing with their *Opinion*..When they're not a Scientist or someone qualified to make an Opinion As educated as to maybe be right. If thats not the case, Research the info instead of forming your own little story about what Happened and arguing to the end with me or someone else.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Teck on 2005-09-13 at 23:18:42
we should get the oil, evacuate as many as possible, get out, and then NUKE THEIR DUMB ASSES! ["If they don't surrender, KILL EM!" -Teck]
The US is supposed to have the toughest Army? i dont know if thats true but,
why can't we win? we've been over there... how long? i lost track.
The US is supposed to have the toughest Army? i dont know if thats true but,
why can't we win? we've been over there... how long? i lost track.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-09-13 at 23:46:50
Iraq isn't really the problem. Iran. Turn one of their cities into a glass crater.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-13 at 23:52:44
There's no reason to... we did it to Japan because the civilians were going to fight us to the death.
The equivalent would be nuking post-WW2 Europe because of the Nazi hold-outs.
The equivalent would be nuking post-WW2 Europe because of the Nazi hold-outs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-09-14 at 00:58:33
I have to agree wth many people here. Bombing them now would not be a smart move, it would destroy all support from europe, and it would make the Iraqi's really angry.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-09-14 at 04:31:44
QUOTE(Aikanaro @ Sep 13 2005, 04:49 PM)
You don't get it man. Were not talking about Random Guys on the internet that *maybe......Think...* They found proof. I was giving an example. ONLY AN EXAMPLE. Urgh, The sources that talk about the other side of the story are not random guys on the internet. They are professionals that Think that What you are being fed by the media is Not true. So, They researched it themselves. Checking out Historical facts comparing it to the Incompentency of the United States this day. They also point out many factors. Such as a Scientific point of view, The Facts and impossible Incompetence from the part of the military that day. Also pointing out that the plane that crashed in the twin towers was not a Passenger plane. They show so many things. And they always show proof. Its not as if they are taking it out of their --- Without even giving proof. They show proof, And lots of it too. They Make whole documentaries on this subject. On every point of View of 9/11. Go on the internet and search for these documentaries, I can assure you it will take you a second. Watch them, And if your so sure that they're wrong, you've nothing to fear from watching it. If your not even willing to even Research this, Much less watch the documentaries, It only means your not willing to take a Full look at the other side of the story. Which in that case, You should even stop Argumenting with me. Its no use. It would mean you are pathetic, trying to argue with me when you don't even research it. Most people on Serious Discussion don't even take the time to research it. They take their info out of their ---, For the sake of arguing with their *Opinion*..When they're not a Scientist or someone qualified to make an Opinion As educated as to maybe be right. If thats not the case, Research the info instead of forming your own little story about what Happened and arguing to the end with me or someone else.
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Dude, there is WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY more evidence that terrorists conducted 9/11 then Bush administration.....What about the people onboard the planes who called their homes and described the people who took over the plane? Do they have no credibility? I think the people who think Bush caused this are/were looking to hard to try and find a reason to make Bush look more evil then he already does...
QUOTE(Demaris @ Sep 13 2005, 07:46 PM)
Iraq isn't really the problem. Iran. Turn one of their cities into a glass crater.
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We can sit back and relax, becuase if Im not misstaken the youth of Iran is smart and they don't follow their leader's few points.... well in some cities they do...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2005-09-14 at 07:18:34
It still makes me sick that someone thinks we should nuke Iraq for the oil, don't they know anything about all the civilians there?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-09-14 at 07:27:36
I haven't read the much of this thread, but I voted no. I don't think we have any business being there in the first place. Bush misled us (not that I really believed him in the first place) to think that the terrorists were being funded and trained in Iraq, as well as WMD's being there. Not many protested us entering the war because we all wanted to see Osama dead for 9/11, but we were slightly off with the country. He's in Afghanistan, and we attacked Iraq. I believe the war was really an oil war and a payback for evading Bush Sr.
I'm angry that he used the country at one of it's weakest times to generate sympathy for attacking Iraq. I'm angry that despite the promise of more oil, the gas prices are going out of control when they were much better in the Clinton days. I'm angry that we aren't, and never were, fighting this war for the reasons he led us to believe. He just wanted Iraq to be a democracy so it'd be easier to get along with and they'd be a cheaper oil industry partner.
That's my 2 cents on that.
I'm angry that he used the country at one of it's weakest times to generate sympathy for attacking Iraq. I'm angry that despite the promise of more oil, the gas prices are going out of control when they were much better in the Clinton days. I'm angry that we aren't, and never were, fighting this war for the reasons he led us to believe. He just wanted Iraq to be a democracy so it'd be easier to get along with and they'd be a cheaper oil industry partner.
That's my 2 cents on that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-14 at 10:39:48
Why do you think the war was for oil? Do you have any reason to think this, or are you just repeating slogans?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-14 at 13:26:55
QUOTE(yeow @ Sep 13 2005, 01:41 PM)
I highly doubt that Bush would want to kill his own people, but where and what time in history has a Ruler of a country attacked his own country to gain support for a war? I've never heard of such thing..
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Ever heard of Iran-Contra?
QUOTE(yeow @ Sep 13 2005, 03:44 PM)
So you say your going to believe a bunch of random people out on the internet somewhere who created/have proof of some conspiracy story, and they just post it out on the internet? Honestly, the media is the only way your ever going to get SEMI-Credible news. I do believe that the Media/Bush Administration lie about stuff, but how else are you going to get information up in the goverment? I'd rather believe the Media than a bunch of people on the internet who believe they have proof from most likely Media-Based Sources.
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Again. Ever heard of Iran-Contra?
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Sep 14 2005, 01:31 AM)
Dude, there is WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY more evidence that terrorists conducted 9/11 then Bush administration.....What about the people onboard the planes who called their homes and described the people who took over the plane? Do they have no credibility? I think the people who think Bush caused this are/were looking to hard to try and find a reason to make Bush look more evil then he already does...
We can sit back and relax, becuase if Im not misstaken the youth of Iran is smart and they don't follow their leader's few points.... well in some cities they do...
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Have you ever heard of someone hiring a mercenary to do their dirty work?
Maybe it's a possibility that these people were hired by the government, or blackmailed into it (Or possibly even threatened) to go and kill themselves for their "Religion"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2005-09-14 at 23:14:39
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Sep 14 2005, 03:31 AM)
Dude, there is WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY more evidence that terrorists conducted 9/11 then Bush administration.....
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Oh, is that so? And you Concluded that based on what?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-09-15 at 04:21:51
QUOTE(Doodan @ Sep 14 2005, 03:27 AM)
I haven't read the much of this thread, but I voted no. I don't think we have any business being there in the first place. Bush misled us (not that I really believed him in the first place) to think that the terrorists were being funded and trained in Iraq, as well as WMD's being there. Not many protested us entering the war because we all wanted to see Osama dead for 9/11, but we were slightly off with the country. He's in Afghanistan, and we attacked Iraq. I believe the war was really an oil war and a payback for evading Bush Sr.
I'm angry that he used the country at one of it's weakest times to generate sympathy for attacking Iraq. I'm angry that despite the promise of more oil, the gas prices are going out of control when they were much better in the Clinton days. I'm angry that we aren't, and never were, fighting this war for the reasons he led us to believe. He just wanted Iraq to be a democracy so it'd be easier to get along with and they'd be a cheaper oil industry partner.
That's my 2 cents on that.
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I'm angry that he used the country at one of it's weakest times to generate sympathy for attacking Iraq. I'm angry that despite the promise of more oil, the gas prices are going out of control when they were much better in the Clinton days. I'm angry that we aren't, and never were, fighting this war for the reasons he led us to believe. He just wanted Iraq to be a democracy so it'd be easier to get along with and they'd be a cheaper oil industry partner.
That's my 2 cents on that.
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Well it just so happens that the World is running out of oil while Bush is in power, too bad for him. And no one ever promised oil, thats just what you guys want to happen including me, I mean come on! Wego in there, rid them of their evil dictator and give wemon rights and etc.... all we ask for in return is a little bit of black gold
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Sep 14 2005, 09:26 AM)
Ever heard of Iran-Contra?
Again. Ever heard of Iran-Contra?
Have you ever heard of someone hiring a mercenary to do their dirty work?
Maybe it's a possibility that these people were hired by the government, or blackmailed into it (Or possibly even threatened) to go and kill themselves for their "Religion"
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Again. Ever heard of Iran-Contra?
Have you ever heard of someone hiring a mercenary to do their dirty work?
Maybe it's a possibility that these people were hired by the government, or blackmailed into it (Or possibly even threatened) to go and kill themselves for their "Religion"
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Whats the good of a reward if you ain't around to use it? lol :/ yea I see your point though....
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QUOTE(Aikanaro @ Sep 14 2005, 07:14 PM)
Oh, is that so? And you Concluded that based on what?
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Based on the discovery channel, the history channel, the associated press, Brad Jenison (army Ranger), the 9/11 commission, footage/pictures/audio of the events and plain old looking at the economy and how its worse now becuase of 9/11....
list goes on...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DameDaSnipa. on 2005-09-15 at 09:31:22
I mean you have to consider were losing a lot of soilders just becase of some dumb asses we should bomb them get it over with i mean obviously its not going to stop and we are so vunorable in our own country right now we could be attack so easily just at the snap of a finger 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-15 at 12:19:33
If we just bomb them, it wouldn't work.
And we could be attacked like that, but highly undoubtful. I doubt any country would attack "The most powerful country in the world" because of the fear of our retaliation.
Not even terrorists are that dumb.
But if you guys look at it, how did we just automatically know the day it happened (When Osama didn't "admit" until days after) that it was the Al Queda? Doesn't that sound a bit odd to any of you? That we just automatically KNOW that it is the Al Queda when their leader didn't confess to it until days after?
And we could be attacked like that, but highly undoubtful. I doubt any country would attack "The most powerful country in the world" because of the fear of our retaliation.
Not even terrorists are that dumb.
But if you guys look at it, how did we just automatically know the day it happened (When Osama didn't "admit" until days after) that it was the Al Queda? Doesn't that sound a bit odd to any of you? That we just automatically KNOW that it is the Al Queda when their leader didn't confess to it until days after?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Aikanaro on 2005-09-15 at 16:49:58
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Sep 15 2005, 03:21 AM)
Well it just so happens that the World is running out of oil while Bush is in power, too bad for him. And no one ever promised oil, thats just what you guys want to happen including me, I mean come on! Wego in there, rid them of their evil dictator and give wemon rights and etc.... all we ask for in return is a little bit of black gold
Whats the good of a reward if you ain't around to use it? lol :/ yea I see your point though....
ADDITION:
Based on the discovery channel, the history channel, the associated press, Brad Jenison (army Ranger), the 9/11 commission, footage/pictures/audio of the events and plain old looking at the economy and how its worse now becuase of 9/11....
list goes on...
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Whats the good of a reward if you ain't around to use it? lol :/ yea I see your point though....
ADDITION:
Based on the discovery channel, the history channel, the associated press, Brad Jenison (army Ranger), the 9/11 commission, footage/pictures/audio of the events and plain old looking at the economy and how its worse now becuase of 9/11....
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But dude, The people who have delivered you that side of the story have the $$$$. The other side of the story is also made up of a ton of professionals who researched this. And really, there are MANY documentaries on this. There are sites about this, There are ton of info on both sides. And as you stated, about the Commision, footage/Pictures/Audio , There is also Audio, *Many* books written by different Authors, footage and pictures in the other side aswell. The only reason you get the impression that Your side shows much more proof, Is because you will *Never* see This other side in tv. They are not the ones with the Cash or those who control the media. SO, The chances of you getting much info on the other side is very thin. Unless, you are someone who researches alot about such events.
Don't assume to quickly though, Usually, when such a big event occurs like this. Many alternate sources research this aswell. Professionals mostly, That just don't have the money or possibility to post something otherwards than The *Official* 9/11 report on the media or the Television as a whole. But trust me, Theres alot of info on this, You have to find it yourself though. Documentaries, Books, Audio, Pictures, You name it. Its just not talked about On tv or any Mass Media Comunication of any kind. This info can only be found on the Huge world of Internet.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-15 at 16:53:12
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But if you guys look at it, how did we just automatically know the day it happened (When Osama didn't "admit" until days after) that it was the Al Queda? Doesn't that sound a bit odd to any of you? That we just automatically KNOW that it is the Al Queda when their leader didn't confess to it until days after?
Well... we didn't immediately know. I'll never understand why people make things up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-09-15 at 21:35:30
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Sep 15 2005, 08:19 AM)
If we just bomb them, it wouldn't work.
And we could be attacked like that, but highly undoubtful. I doubt any country would attack "The most powerful country in the world" because of the fear of our retaliation.
Not even terrorists are that dumb.
But if you guys look at it, how did we just automatically know the day it happened (When Osama didn't "admit" until days after) that it was the Al Queda? Doesn't that sound a bit odd to any of you? That we just automatically KNOW that it is the Al Queda when their leader didn't confess to it until days after?
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And we could be attacked like that, but highly undoubtful. I doubt any country would attack "The most powerful country in the world" because of the fear of our retaliation.
Not even terrorists are that dumb.
But if you guys look at it, how did we just automatically know the day it happened (When Osama didn't "admit" until days after) that it was the Al Queda? Doesn't that sound a bit odd to any of you? That we just automatically KNOW that it is the Al Queda when their leader didn't confess to it until days after?
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Well as we all know we were warned many times about Al quada and their plans and how they were going to commit terror. I geuss they put two and two together...
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But dude, The people who have delivered you that side of the story have the $$$$. The other side of the story is also made up of a ton of professionals who researched this. And really, there are MANY documentaries on this. There are sites about this, There are ton of info on both sides. And as you stated, about the Commision, footage/Pictures/Audio , There is also Audio, *Many* books written by different Authors, footage and pictures in the other side aswell. The only reason you get the impression that Your side shows much more proof, Is because you will *Never* see This other side in tv. They are not the ones with the Cash or those who control the media. SO, The chances of you getting much info on the other side is very thin. Unless, you are someone who researches alot about such events.
Don't assume to quickly though, Usually, when such a big event occurs like this. Many alternate sources research this aswell. Professionals mostly, That just don't have the money or possibility to post something otherwards than The *Official* 9/11 report on the media or the Television as a whole. But trust me, Theres alot of info on this, You have to find it yourself though. Documentaries, Books, Audio, Pictures, You name it. Its just not talked about On tv or any Mass Media Comunication of any kind. This info can only be found on the Huge world of Internet.
Don't assume to quickly though, Usually, when such a big event occurs like this. Many alternate sources research this aswell. Professionals mostly, That just don't have the money or possibility to post something otherwards than The *Official* 9/11 report on the media or the Television as a whole. But trust me, Theres alot of info on this, You have to find it yourself though. Documentaries, Books, Audio, Pictures, You name it. Its just not talked about On tv or any Mass Media Comunication of any kind. This info can only be found on the Huge world of Internet.
sooooo the random people with a lot of money who 'control' the media (I would like proof of that please) censor the 'other' footage that shows Bush's evil plans in action. Now why would they do that? I geuss you haven't been around much but the media HATES BUSH, well.... Fox news doesn't but this President has been the most hated by the most media sources in history (or since Nixon).
YOU think about it, you own a major media broadcasting corp that is anti-Bush.....You come across footage/information that says Bush did these acts, FRONT PAGE/TOP STORY NEWS right there!!!!! That would be the story of the century, if you beleive he did it and you would die thinking this then the evidence against Bush must be CONCRETE. Now way for Bush to talk his way out of this one!
Dude, in my opinion this "Bush done it" point makes no sence. Bush got little or nothing out of it, random people in 'power with money' control the media -- but the media hates bush so why would they censor it? If Bush hired people to do it, then thats also a little hard to believe becuase they died and didn't get the rewards. OUr economy is worse off now, and even Al Quada said they did it too....
well w/e its what you believe....