Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-09-18 at 20:19:11
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Sep 18 2005, 06:31 PM)
Kellimus your a horrible debater, I supply proof and thats still not good enough for you..... It just goes to show that KELLIMUS, no matter what anybody says, no matter how much evidence you put at him he will never, ever listen to your point of views...
and why, WHY AM I the only one who has to show evidence. Every single arguement that you have ever said has had no proof added to it, well at least you argueing against me. I have yet to see YOU prove one of your points to me...
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and why, WHY AM I the only one who has to show evidence. Every single arguement that you have ever said has had no proof added to it, well at least you argueing against me. I have yet to see YOU prove one of your points to me...
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Real debating is targetting the topic, not the other person's methods.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-09-18 at 20:38:43
Hey, STARS, what they wanted in Venezuela was complete control over all the oil there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-09-18 at 22:31:31
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Yes, EVERYONE gets tax cuts, stop lieing....
Sure, the rich get huge tax cuts and the middle/lower class gets small ones, we "all" get tax cuts. The poor people of this country are not better off because of tax cuts. Maybe they had to pay $2 less on their income this year.
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"No child left Behind Act" OMG do you even know what it does? Liberal propaganda AGAIN! The act makes SCHOOLS accountable for producing granduating students and students moving up in grades. Meaning the teachers have to CARE about their students and etc..... This is shown through test scores.... If some one fails the test they aren't left behind like you would want them to be....
Do you know what it does? If a school does not have a good enough score on a stupid standardized test (not a very good measure of knowledge), than the government has the authority to take over the administration of the school. The government has proven to be one of the worst factors on schools, especially in California. Can you say Prop 13?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-09-18 at 22:38:26
NCLA makse the schools focus on the lowest scoring portion of the school. Well guess what? THEY DON'T WANT TO LEARN!!! YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM WORK HARDER!!!!! Plus, more attention on lowest end = less attention on highest end. Which annoys me. I'm not trying to be arrogant, but I can recognize a lost cause when i see one.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-09-18 at 22:43:20
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Sep 18 2005, 06:31 PM)
Sure, the rich get huge tax cuts and the middle/lower class gets small ones, we "all" get tax cuts. The poor people of this country are not better off because of tax cuts. Maybe they had to pay $2 less on their income this year.
Do you know what it does? If a school does not have a good enough score on a stupid standardized test (not a very good measure of knowledge), than the government has the authority to take over the administration of the school. The government has proven to be one of the worst factors on schools, especially in California. Can you say Prop 13?
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Do you know what it does? If a school does not have a good enough score on a stupid standardized test (not a very good measure of knowledge), than the government has the authority to take over the administration of the school. The government has proven to be one of the worst factors on schools, especially in California. Can you say Prop 13?
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illegal aliens too smart one
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-18 at 22:44:11
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mm you contridicted your self there and explained why teachers should care about their students.
No I didn't. There is a difference between teaching and caring. Just because you might go to a school where a teacher does both does not mean all the other schools do.
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Reality is is that many teachers say "to hell with them", this is true in many inner city schools. The act makes it so the teachers must/have to teach to their highest possible abilities in order to help their students and their school get more money. Reward Success.
Once again, you're wrong! Teachers can teach and still be extremely "Evil" to the students. Your logic actually contridicts itself if you apply reality. The way the current school system is run, there is no way to put information into the student unless it is forced; only those who want to learn will get it; those who don't will not.
The truth is, those schools who are failing will continue to fail; those who aren't failing will only rise. This destroys education as it limits only to those with access to such schools. Which, if more people go to those schools, it will only lower that school's grades and thus, also put them on the failing list.
The Act doesn't help schools, it destroys the very thing that it attempts to help. I say attempt because I do believe the government wants to help the education system. However, under current administration, the leaders are too foolish or greedy to do such a thing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-09-18 at 22:45:32
where does it say rich people get more tax cuts? show me and quote it...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-09-18 at 22:47:07
Basic Percentages.... 5% of 200$ is a lot less than 5% of 20000$
Not nessecarily supporting him, just showing you his point of view.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-09-18 at 22:48:52
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Sep 18 2005, 06:43 PM)
No I didn't. There is a difference between teaching and caring. Just because you might go to a school where a teacher does both does not mean all the other schools do.
Once again, you're wrong! Teachers can teach and still be extremely "Evil" to the students. Your logic actually contridicts itself if you apply reality. The way the current school system is run, there is no way to put information into the student unless it is forced; only those who want to learn will get it; those who don't will not.
The truth is, those schools who are failing will continue to fail; those who aren't failing will only rise. This destroys education as it limits only to those with access to such schools. Which, if more people go to those schools, it will only lower that school's grades and thus, also put them on the failing list.
The Act doesn't help schools, it destroys the very thing that it attempts to help. I say attempt because I do believe the government wants to help the education system. However, under current administration, the leaders are too foolish or greedy to do such a thing.
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Once again, you're wrong! Teachers can teach and still be extremely "Evil" to the students. Your logic actually contridicts itself if you apply reality. The way the current school system is run, there is no way to put information into the student unless it is forced; only those who want to learn will get it; those who don't will not.
The truth is, those schools who are failing will continue to fail; those who aren't failing will only rise. This destroys education as it limits only to those with access to such schools. Which, if more people go to those schools, it will only lower that school's grades and thus, also put them on the failing list.
The Act doesn't help schools, it destroys the very thing that it attempts to help. I say attempt because I do believe the government wants to help the education system. However, under current administration, the leaders are too foolish or greedy to do such a thing.
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how am i wrong!>?!?!?!?!??!?!?!? Do you even leave your house at all?? do you even get out into the world? TOO MANY teachers are the cause of many teaching problems in America, many just don't care cause they hate their job and etc.... More students will become smarter if the teachers go above and beyond the call of their job... thats a fact....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-18 at 22:53:26
You're talking to a person who has seen both sides. I know what it's like to not want to learn. I've been there. I know what it's like to love to learn, I am there now. I know what it's like to have teachers who literally beat information into you, I've been there. I know what it's like for teachers to slowly but understandly teach you why things work.
The question is do you? Considering the way you reply, your ignorance on the actual topic and lack of true understanding, I don't think you do.
The problem is never the teacher. I have never had a teacher that was the problem. Everytime I see an arguement, I use logic, not "facts" or "patterns" to figure out the problem. Everytime I see this, it is obviously the student's fault. But that person doesn't give in because that person simply does not realize how foolish he really is. It's actually very sad.
Unfortuantly, you remind me very much of that type of person.
As for my qualifications? I've been to 7 different types of schools. I've lived in all parts of the world, from the "poor" to the "rich" and everything in between.
The question is do you? Considering the way you reply, your ignorance on the actual topic and lack of true understanding, I don't think you do.
The problem is never the teacher. I have never had a teacher that was the problem. Everytime I see an arguement, I use logic, not "facts" or "patterns" to figure out the problem. Everytime I see this, it is obviously the student's fault. But that person doesn't give in because that person simply does not realize how foolish he really is. It's actually very sad.
Unfortuantly, you remind me very much of that type of person.
As for my qualifications? I've been to 7 different types of schools. I've lived in all parts of the world, from the "poor" to the "rich" and everything in between.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-09-18 at 22:53:28
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how am i wrong!>?!?!?!?!??!?!?!? Do you even leave your house at all?? do you even get out into the world? TOO MANY teachers are the cause of many teaching problems in America, many just don't care cause they hate their job and etc.... More students will become smarter if the teachers go above and beyond the call of their job... thats a fact....
I hope to God you are joking.
People (Teachers included) do not regularly go "above and beyond the call of duty". Ever heard of the bell curve?
The problem is that there are classes of 30+ students and the teacher can't help all of them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-18 at 22:55:43
I don't think we need to bring up the bell curve (yet). It will only make it more confusing for the already confused members of SEN. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-09-18 at 22:57:35
Unfortunately so....
I have been on both sides of the learning issue as well. The problem is pretty much always with the student.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-18 at 23:49:52
Kellimus: We aren't the only ones who should supply proof. You said that the middle and lower class pay more taxes. You prove it!
Fact is, everyone who pays income taxes got a tax cut; some were even taken off the tax rolls! The only people who didn't get a tax cut were -- suprise suprise -- those who didn't pay taxes.
Is this site American? Why is everyone so left-wing? Maybe it's a Canadian site.
Fact is, everyone who pays income taxes got a tax cut; some were even taken off the tax rolls! The only people who didn't get a tax cut were -- suprise suprise -- those who didn't pay taxes.
Is this site American? Why is everyone so left-wing? Maybe it's a Canadian site.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-09-18 at 23:51:19
I'm hardly left wing. Education is one issue that i am liberal about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-09-19 at 02:37:47
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Sep 18 2005, 06:53 PM)
You're talking to a person who has seen both sides. I know what it's like to not want to learn. I've been there. I know what it's like to love to learn, I am there now. I know what it's like to have teachers who literally beat information into you, I've been there. I know what it's like for teachers to slowly but understandly teach you why things work.
The question is do you? Considering the way you reply, your ignorance on the actual topic and lack of true understanding, I don't think you do.
The problem is never the teacher. I have never had a teacher that was the problem. Everytime I see an arguement, I use logic, not "facts" or "patterns" to figure out the problem. Everytime I see this, it is obviously the student's fault. But that person doesn't give in because that person simply does not realize how foolish he really is. It's actually very sad.
Unfortuantly, you remind me very much of that type of person.
As for my qualifications? I've been to 7 different types of schools. I've lived in all parts of the world, from the "poor" to the "rich" and everything in between.
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The question is do you? Considering the way you reply, your ignorance on the actual topic and lack of true understanding, I don't think you do.
The problem is never the teacher. I have never had a teacher that was the problem. Everytime I see an arguement, I use logic, not "facts" or "patterns" to figure out the problem. Everytime I see this, it is obviously the student's fault. But that person doesn't give in because that person simply does not realize how foolish he really is. It's actually very sad.
Unfortuantly, you remind me very much of that type of person.
As for my qualifications? I've been to 7 different types of schools. I've lived in all parts of the world, from the "poor" to the "rich" and everything in between.
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Do you want a medal? Do you want me to say sorry that you had to switch to so many schools, do I care that you have been to so many schools?
Im sorry I don't, Im ignorant becuase mmmm a 16 year old said so? You are ignorant to always blame the students, if there is a student struggeling and the teacher sees that and doesn't do anything about it does tht teacher care about that student? Well he/she doesn't care about the student enough not to help.
and surpirse surprise I too have been to both ends of the GPA, and I know what it feels like when teachers don't care how your doing......
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-19 at 02:58:58
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Sep 18 2005, 04:29 PM)
Tax cuts were designed to help small business owners in order to create more jobs, not just the wealthy my friend, many small business owners are lower middle class about to be in the lower class....
mm you contridicted your self there and explained why teachers should care about their students. Reality is is that many teachers say "to hell with them", this is true in many inner city schools. The act makes it so the teachers must/have to teach to their highest possible abilities in order to help their students and their school get more money. Reward Success.
and I would like to know whats in venezula that we want? It seems pretty random a country....
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mm you contridicted your self there and explained why teachers should care about their students. Reality is is that many teachers say "to hell with them", this is true in many inner city schools. The act makes it so the teachers must/have to teach to their highest possible abilities in order to help their students and their school get more money. Reward Success.
and I would like to know whats in venezula that we want? It seems pretty random a country....
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They were designed to help small businesses eh?
Then why in the hell is my fathers small truck-driving business doing poorly if the tax cuts are there to benefit him like you state?
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Kellimus: We aren't the only ones who should supply proof. You said that the middle and lower class pay more taxes. You prove it!
Fact is, everyone who pays income taxes got a tax cut; some were even taken off the tax rolls! The only people who didn't get a tax cut were -- suprise suprise -- those who didn't pay taxes.
Is this site American? Why is everyone so left-wing? Maybe it's a Canadian site.
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Fact is, everyone who pays income taxes got a tax cut; some were even taken off the tax rolls! The only people who didn't get a tax cut were -- suprise suprise -- those who didn't pay taxes.
Is this site American? Why is everyone so left-wing? Maybe it's a Canadian site.
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I don't need proof because it has already been proven. Shall I use the example already shown?
.5% of $200 is a hell of a lot bigger then .5 of $20,000
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Do you want a medal? Do you want me to say sorry that you had to switch to so many schools, do I care that you have been to so many schools?
Im sorry I don't, Im ignorant becuase mmmm a 16 year old said so? You are ignorant to always blame the students, if there is a student struggeling and the teacher sees that and doesn't do anything about it does tht teacher care about that student? Well he/she doesn't care about the student enough not to help.
and surpirse surprise I too have been to both ends of the GPA, and I know what it feels like when teachers don't care how your doing......
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Im sorry I don't, Im ignorant becuase mmmm a 16 year old said so? You are ignorant to always blame the students, if there is a student struggeling and the teacher sees that and doesn't do anything about it does tht teacher care about that student? Well he/she doesn't care about the student enough not to help.
and surpirse surprise I too have been to both ends of the GPA, and I know what it feels like when teachers don't care how your doing......
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Hmmm.... I think you mean arrogent.
He said you were ignorant because you clearly seem to not understand the No Child Left Behind.
And you call him ignorant because he blames most the students??
Yeah, you must mean arrogent.
And a teachers job is to teach. Not to care. The majority care about your education though. But only if YOU care about it.
So I believe that what Cheeze was/is trying to say is that if the student had a good outlook towards their education, the teachers would care. But most students now days don't have a very good outlook, thus causing problems.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-09-19 at 04:33:56
he said alot less. Plus if your rich you are ALREADY paying alot more in taxes then everyone else. You get taxed for buying yourself a big pimp boat, you get taxed for your big pimp house, you get taxed for your pimp extremely fast car, you get taxed on all the SUPER BIG ASS CRAP-O-LA that you buy. Plus all the electricity and water taxes that you pay for your water fall. The lists goes on and on and on....
Just becuase your father is doing poorly doesn't mean the tax cuts aren't working, my Aunt opened a nurse/clinic office to help prescribe people to medicines and her business flourished and she bragged on why this is why she likes the president now....
Maybe your dad should talk to my aunt about how to get your small business to do well???
Just becuase your father is doing poorly doesn't mean the tax cuts aren't working, my Aunt opened a nurse/clinic office to help prescribe people to medicines and her business flourished and she bragged on why this is why she likes the president now....
Maybe your dad should talk to my aunt about how to get your small business to do well???
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-09-19 at 07:40:11
Ironically, if you read STARS source, you can find evidence of the rich benifiting a lot more that the poor:
http://www.cbpp.org/4-14-04tax-sum.htm
The source contains much more on the issue.
Sure the rich get taxed moe. But they don't need their money as badly.
Small business owners? They get enough benfits as it is. Any provision that would limit small business owners, any small improvement on worker's welfare, is consdiered an overwhelming burden on small businesses and immeadiately slashed.
Small business owners are seen as quaint and idyllic, but in fact they are greedy and are responsible for the ruin of much of America's heartland.
Plus, small business owners don't deserve more benifit than the working class. They comprise much less of the population.
And, according to the source above, millionaires benifit the most.
Bush doesn't care about poor people.
http://www.cbpp.org/4-14-04tax-sum.htm
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The tax cuts have conferred the most benefits, by far, on the highest-income households — those least in need of additional resources — at a time when income already is exceptionally concentrated at the top of the income spectrum.
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- In 2004, the middle 20 percent of households will receive 8.9 percent of the tax cuts.
- By contrast, millionaires — totaling just 0.2 percent of U.S. households — will receive 15.3 percent of the tax cuts.[3] In other words, the small handful of millionaires will receive total tax cuts far larger than those received by the entire middle 20 percent of households.
- The tax cuts will confer more than $30 billion on the nation’s 257,000 millionaires in 2004 alone.
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The Administration has worked hard to create the impression that its tax cuts benefit all families, including those of modest means. In most cases, however, the Administration has accepted tax cuts for lower-income families only under pressure. When it has had the opportunity to initiate such tax cuts, it has consistently rejected them.
For example, when promoting his 2001 tax-cut plan in his first months in office, President Bush emphasized the benefits for low-income families with children by using an example of a waitress earning $25,000. As it turned out, the waitress he mentioned would have received no tax cut (or a small tax cut if she had significant child care costs) because the President’s proposal provided no relief to families that owed no income tax but paid significant amounts of payroll tax. The Administration received substantial criticism in early 2001 on this score, and it ultimately agreed to Congressional changes to its child tax credit proposal that provided significant aid to the waitress in the President’s example and to millions of other low- and moderate- income working families with children.
A similar story played out in 2003. The President proposed accelerating most of the income tax cuts enacted in 2001 that were scheduled to phase in over time, but he rejected accelerating the child tax credit provision enacted in 2001 that is of benefit to low- and modest-income working families. A front-page story in The New York Times called attention to this omission the day after the 2003 tax bill was signed into law, generating a torrent of criticism. The Administration shifted positions in the face of this criticism, voicing support for accelerating the provision in question. But the Administration expended little effort on this score, and the acceleration has not been enacted.
For example, when promoting his 2001 tax-cut plan in his first months in office, President Bush emphasized the benefits for low-income families with children by using an example of a waitress earning $25,000. As it turned out, the waitress he mentioned would have received no tax cut (or a small tax cut if she had significant child care costs) because the President’s proposal provided no relief to families that owed no income tax but paid significant amounts of payroll tax. The Administration received substantial criticism in early 2001 on this score, and it ultimately agreed to Congressional changes to its child tax credit proposal that provided significant aid to the waitress in the President’s example and to millions of other low- and moderate- income working families with children.
A similar story played out in 2003. The President proposed accelerating most of the income tax cuts enacted in 2001 that were scheduled to phase in over time, but he rejected accelerating the child tax credit provision enacted in 2001 that is of benefit to low- and modest-income working families. A front-page story in The New York Times called attention to this omission the day after the 2003 tax bill was signed into law, generating a torrent of criticism. The Administration shifted positions in the face of this criticism, voicing support for accelerating the provision in question. But the Administration expended little effort on this score, and the acceleration has not been enacted.
The source contains much more on the issue.
Sure the rich get taxed moe. But they don't need their money as badly.
Small business owners? They get enough benfits as it is. Any provision that would limit small business owners, any small improvement on worker's welfare, is consdiered an overwhelming burden on small businesses and immeadiately slashed.
Small business owners are seen as quaint and idyllic, but in fact they are greedy and are responsible for the ruin of much of America's heartland.
Plus, small business owners don't deserve more benifit than the working class. They comprise much less of the population.
And, according to the source above, millionaires benifit the most.
Bush doesn't care about poor people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-19 at 10:13:43
Kellimus:
You said that middle and lower classes were forced to pay more taxes. Will you retract that statement?
As to why the higher achievers get a larger tax cut (which is much different than what you said): They pay more! In fact, they even pay a higher percentage of their higher income!
You can't raise taxes disproportionally on those who achieve and then go crazy when those taxes are cut disproportionally to make up for it.
You said that middle and lower classes were forced to pay more taxes. Will you retract that statement?
As to why the higher achievers get a larger tax cut (which is much different than what you said): They pay more! In fact, they even pay a higher percentage of their higher income!
You can't raise taxes disproportionally on those who achieve and then go crazy when those taxes are cut disproportionally to make up for it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2005-09-19 at 10:50:17
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Bush doesn't care about poor people.
No blam!
The rich get more money back because they pay more in the first place. If they get a greater percentage back, then that is unfair. Why would a President spend 15 million or whatever to get elected to a 400k a year job? Of COURSE there is money changing hands!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-19 at 13:01:30
QUOTE(Dr.Shotgun @ Sep 19 2005, 04:39 AM)
Small business owners? They get enough benfits as it is. Any provision that would limit small business owners, any small improvement on worker's welfare, is consdiered an overwhelming burden on small businesses and immeadiately slashed.
Small business owners are seen as quaint and idyllic, but in fact they are greedy and are responsible for the ruin of much of America's heartland.
Plus, small business owners don't deserve more benifit than the working class. They comprise much less of the population.
And, according to the source above, millionaires benifit the most.
Bush doesn't care about poor people.
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Small business owners are seen as quaint and idyllic, but in fact they are greedy and are responsible for the ruin of much of America's heartland.
Plus, small business owners don't deserve more benifit than the working class. They comprise much less of the population.
And, according to the source above, millionaires benifit the most.
Bush doesn't care about poor people.
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If it wasn't for small business owners, where do you think the working class would be?
Big companies and corperations don't just come. They start out small, then grow.
And I agree with you about the source above. Just look at it and you will see.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-19 at 14:41:48
Nice dodge Kell. Here it is again. 
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Kellimus:
You said that middle and lower classes were forced to pay more taxes. Will you retract that statement?
As to why the higher achievers get a larger tax cut (which is much different than what you said): They pay more! In fact, they even pay a higher percentage of their higher income!
You can't raise taxes disproportionally on those who achieve and then go crazy when those taxes are cut disproportionally to make up for it.
You said that middle and lower classes were forced to pay more taxes. Will you retract that statement?
As to why the higher achievers get a larger tax cut (which is much different than what you said): They pay more! In fact, they even pay a higher percentage of their higher income!
You can't raise taxes disproportionally on those who achieve and then go crazy when those taxes are cut disproportionally to make up for it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-09-19 at 17:47:24
Sweet, Im not solo in my stand for conservatives anymore
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-09-19 at 17:59:08
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Nice dodge Kell. Here it is again. happy.gif
Allow me.
So you're saying those people who receieve more money should have to pay much less in ratio when compared to those who only make 1/30 of what they make?
So if I made 300,000 dollars, and my tax was 80,000, now it's 20,000; you make 10,000 and the tax went from 1,000 to 800, do you think that's fair? The fact remains, they still pay much less proportionally. This is the entire point of the arguement.
The other thing is, while not as relevant is explaining why he cut taxes in the first place. Sure, you may think it's a good thing, but you have to also consider what kind of a time period this is right now. Want to know? War. During this kind of time, taxes should be raised, not cut. Perhaps explaining this to me will allow me to see that Bush isn't that stupid.
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Do you want a medal? Do you want me to say sorry that you had to switch to so many schools, do I care that you have been to so many schools?
No, I'm saying I have more experiences than you. Maybe you didn't get that. I know what I'm talking about when I say it's the students fault. Obviously, you don't. I told you that stuff to prove my qualification (as seen from "..As for my qualification" part). This is to prevent you from saying other crap like "how do you know" and stuff.
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Im sorry I don't, Im ignorant becuase mmmm a 16 year old said so? You are ignorant to always blame the students, if there is a student struggeling and the teacher sees that and doesn't do anything about it does tht teacher care about that student? Well he/she doesn't care about the student enough not to help.
It is not required for the teachers to help. However, the school can and are making sure those students who need help spend extra time within the school to raise those grades and understand the material. But you see, once again, the problem lies within the student, not the teacher. So exactly what are you trying to argue against?
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and surpirse surprise I too have been to both ends of the GPA, and I know what it feels like when teachers don't care how your doing......
What's with the "....." in the end? Are you unsure of something? Because putting "...." means continuation; you are not doing one. Thus, you're just leading your reply open ended and not allowing a conclusion. You're telling me you've been in both ends of the GPA and now you're displaying the bad end? How sad. You must have seen the errors of being smart and resorted to the stupid side. Please explain why being smart is bad.
I must say, I have not been to both ends of the GPA. Instead, I've been friends with terrible GPAs; I've been friends with perfect (and above perfect) GPAs. Everytime there is a teacher/student problem. It's almost always the student's fault. The times when it is the teacher's fault is when the smart student knows more than the teacher. Fortuantly, we're not talking about smart students, we're talking about the ones who need help and as I've shown you, those who need help are the ones who generally cause the problem, not the teacher.