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1.George Bush said he supported childrens hospitals, and suggested we support them. When he became president, Bush’s first budget proposed cutting grants to children’s hospitals like the one he visited by 15% ($34 million). His 2004 budget additionally proposes to cut 30% ($86 million) out of grants to children’s hospitals.

2.Bush wants to fund foodbanks so elderyly people can have meals, such as the 'Meals on Wheels' things. However, The 2003 and 2004 Bush budgets proposes to freeze the Congregate Nutrition Program, which assists local soup kitchens and meals on wheels programs. With inflation, this proposal would mean at least 36,000 seniors would be cut from meals on wheels and congregate meals programs. Currently, 139,000 seniors are already on waiting lists for home-meal programs. His 2004 budget continues the freeze.

3.Bush supported the NCLB (No Child Left Behind) Act, and guess what? The President’s 2003 budget – the first education budget after he signed and touted the No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB) - proposed to cut NCLB programs by $90 million overall, leaving these programs more than $7 billion short of what was authorized under the bill. Bush’s 2004 budget for NCLB is just 1.9% above what he proposed in 2003 . Not to mention the education cuts that he wants to put forth as of this year.

4.Oh, here's a killer, LITERALY. Bush supported health when he visited a hospital that provided care for the veterans, but here's the good part, Bush's visit came on the same day that the Administration announced it is immediately cutting off access to its health care system approximately 164,000 veterans.

Oh, and what about this invading Iran thing as well?

I probably could go on, but I thought 4 was a good number.

I can conclude from those points that Bush is utterly against government spending and intervention.

Laissez-Faire (non-interventionist) economics and politics just don't work anymore if you want a modern society.

I would also like to add, Why would Bush have to be searching for WMD in Iran/Iraq, If he himself is a WMD.

These aren't reasons why he shouldn't be president. These are reasons why he is a lousy president.

Uhhh... why should he be president if he does a lousy job?

Explain.

And explain the state of Germany.

Did you hear about the USA invading Venezuela thing? Here's a link to where I read it from. I'm not saying it's true, just saying it's what I heard.

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/venezuela

Not only is Bush a sh*tty president to be appointed to office... but in return, he appoints other sh*tty officials...

FEMA f**k-ups with hurricane katrina:

http://constructiveinterference.blogspot.c...ed-by-fema.html

(I especially like this one: CA cautioned by FEMA to go slow in accepting survivors or it might loose funds.)

PS - Slyence, your sig kinda sounds familiar... for some reason...

This is a random flame against the president.......Im not going to try and defend him becuase no matter what I say it won't make a difference to you guys so w/e...

But I would like to add that Bush has spent more money on education then any other president, even Clinton so please don't say anything bad about his views on education.

Where are your statistics? Where is the proof?

And you're saying that cutting taxes for the rich so we middle and low class have to pay more taxes is good, too?

Oh, can't forget No Child Left Behind. "Let's make it so if you don't get a certain score, you fail!"

Well, there goes most of the generations younger then me. Most of them will drop out because they cannot comprehend one simple, and rather not even important, little "grammatical error", thus making it so they fail the test, and fail high school.

Oh, can't forget how Cheyney wants us to invade Iran, too. More sensless sacrifices from out men at arms?

Did you hear his speech about the aid to the victims of Katrina?

"The houses are completely covered in water, that means water over the roofs. Most of these houses have been destroyed" - Quote from President Bush

Now to me, that is ludacris. He treats the American people like they are retarded (Which most of the public is) Is that how presidents should be???

And your argument about him spending more on education then Clinton. Lies. Proove to us that he has. Because if I remember right, Clinton was the one that got our schools to where they are now, and actually got us OUT OF DEBT instead of giving us more debt.

he has done way more bad than good.

proof?

Exactly. He also took 2 days to find out that a hurricane hit his own country, And it's all flooding? What the hell was he doing!?

PS - Isolated, I saw yours and I love that song

Sure. The theology of Conservatism (The Republican Party under Bush being very Conservative) is against excessive government spending. Government spending is loosely proportional to the degree of government intervention in the lives of citizens. Thus governments which spend little money on running the country are non-interventionist (unless they're despotic).

Slyence mentioned four instances of Bush cutting government spending on the people, which is why I came to the conclusion that Bush is not keen on government spending and so probably not keen on intervening in the lives of his citizens either, at least not in any way which is beneficial to them.

As for Germany - they're going downhill as far as I'm aware. 10%+ unemployment and the East is poor and becoming depopulated.

Germany's economy is taking a turn for the better at the moment, as long as they play theyre cards right.

NCLB is ridiculous, especially its stance on private schools. NCLB recommends people who attend "failing" schools should go t a private schools that undergoes about the most lax "inspection" ever. There is a Tae-kwon-do academy in our town which is a registered "math provider". Seriously, its ridiculous. I believe it may jsut be a plot to pull funding from schools, as all of the schools suddenly start "failing". Oh, and instead of giving them funding, pull it away. Yeah...

Also, NCLB is so ridiculous in its span. Even special-ed kids have to pass. If one guy fails, its bye, bye, funding. It also restricts teacher curriculum to only things covered by the test. This can be a great impact on some of the more intelligent kids as days are spent reviewing concepts they already understand. Its one-szie-fits-all method is completely ridiculuous, as well as ineffective.

Doesn't strike you as odd that all major teaching organizations, such as the NEA, oppose NCLB? My mother is a teacher and she opposes NCLB as well, as do most of her colleagues.

Bush cut taxes for everybody. Stop lying, Kellimus; you already were called out by multiple people in the terroism thread.



ROFL (I know Kellimus didn't say that)

Yeah, you're right there - Bush's government is rather Jingoistic in its military spending, or rather in its military action - which has resulted in more money being poured into the armed forces out of necessity (wars are expensive and unpopular - something which Mr. Bush has not yet grasped).

When I said low expenditure, I meant expenditure on civic things such as education, social welfare and healthcare.

Yes, EVERYONE gets tax cuts, stop lieing....

"No child left Behind Act" OMG do you even know what it does? Liberal propaganda AGAIN! The act makes SCHOOLS accountable for producing granduating students and students moving up in grades. Meaning the teachers have to CARE about their students and etc..... This is shown through test scores.... If some one fails the test they aren't left behind like you would want them to be....

http://edworkforce.house.gov/issues/109th/...undingmyths.htm



proof.......



ADDITION:


Two wrongs don't make a right...

That website you gave us, just points out what is supposed to be going on, not what has.

Everyone gets a tax break? Proove it.

The No Child Left Behind makes it so schools "automatically" produce intelligent studentes...?

That is the most arrogent thing any person or government has done.

If a person is stupid it is because they can't grasp a certain concept, so the teacher dogs on them for it. You cannot FORCE people to understand blam. It doesn't work that way.

"Two wrongs don't make a right".... Then why in the hell are you supporting our President? All he has done is do wrongs!

He ignored Congress and went to Iraq. That = Wrong.
He is trying to pass a bill to make it so our generation can convert Social Security into stocks. That = Wrong.

I could go on and on, but i'm not going to waste my time because you never listen to us anyways.

4 reasons this thread isn't heading anywhere.

1. Lefts like us already know Bush is an idiot

2. Rights like S.T.A.R.S.-Chris will back up Bush no matter what anybody says

3. This will only turn into another argument in which Person1 says X, Person2 quotes X, picks at it word by word, and attempts to refute it with Y, then Person1 comes back, picks at Y, says X all over again and adding such phrases as "You're just wrong because you have no proof", Person1 gives a link, Person 2 refutes the link by claiming it's biased, Person1 gives a link to a wikipedia definition of "Proof", and back and forth until either the topic is locked because Kame or Moose gets ticked off, or until this topic is bumped down by a new, similar one

4. Inflammable means flammable

Kellimus your a horrible debater, I supply proof and thats still not good enough for you..... It just goes to show that KELLIMUS, no matter what anybody says, no matter how much evidence you put at him he will never, ever listen to your point of views...


and why, WHY AM I the only one who has to show evidence. Every single arguement that you have ever said has had no proof added to it, well at least you argueing against me. I have yet to see YOU prove one of your points to me...

http://www.cbpp.org/4-14-04tax-sum.htm

This explains the tax cuts and I would like to know where it says that rich fat cats are the only ones getting the tax cuts.....please show me and quote it please

and finally I would like to say that the tax cuts aren't working, they maybe suppling more jobs becuase of the small business having money left over to hire more people, but over all economy ain't doing well, bush please change your tactics...

Tax Cuts for everyone. Do you know exactly what his plan was? The lowest part of the population gets the least amount of benefits and him and all of his conservative friends get the most.

Do you understand his No Child Left Behind Act? Apparantly not if you think it's suppose to get Teachers to "care" about the students. What it does is, if a school's average does not meet the standard, then that school will actually recieve less money than what it already does.

Now let's apply logic to this; if a school is doing poorly and you give them less money, how much better will they be the next year?

However, I must congratulate STARSChris on one thing. He seems less of a conservative than say.... 3 months ago. But maybe he's only purposely hiding behind his mask.

if this is true then is bush continues to invade other countrys we may have a WWIII coming on and i think bush rigged the polls or we are just stupid to re elect him

Tax cuts were designed to help small business owners in order to create more jobs, not just the wealthy my friend, many small business owners are lower middle class about to be in the lower class....

mm you contridicted your self there and explained why teachers should care about their students. Reality is is that many teachers say "to hell with them", this is true in many inner city schools. The act makes it so the teachers must/have to teach to their highest possible abilities in order to help their students and their school get more money. Reward Success.

and I would like to know whats in venezula that we want? It seems pretty random a country....

Let's apply logic to this: