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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-05 at 18:46:07
Yes i have also completed your meaning Atleast a googleplex Of Times
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-10-05 at 19:06:29
In my opinion, there is no meaning of life. We were just created by chance or by some omnipotent being that wanted to create us. I think the real question is, why were we created, and to that question, my answer is: to live.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-10-05 at 21:14:14
1. Bend
2. Steal
3. Cheese it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2005-10-05 at 21:32:41
QUOTE(Rhiom @ Oct 1 2005, 05:14 AM)
got some good points in the first point, but the second paragraph has some flaws, let us not forget that manu gret discoverys/ inventions were found becuase of the funding of very whealthy people.


I was more so talking about people who primary goal during their life is to aquire for themselves material possessions. People who have wealth in this world and use it for the purpose of encouraging/harbouring intelligent and creative thought, I respect these people all the same.


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yet it always seems to be the none religiose folk who inssist that everything that ever was (like matter) still is. so if a person existed, wouldnt it be illogical along these terms to consider them to stop existing, then again if they just stop existing i suppose that we can assume that they didnt exist in the first place... so if u stop existing when u die fine by me becuase then i can conclude that u never existed in the first place so i dont have to worry about responding to anyhitng you've ever said/ ever will say.


obviosly the above statement of your not exissting in absurd, but i would like to insist if thigns cant be created then they cant be destroyed. therefore if a person exist in some form they will always continue to exist in one form or another.
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Maybe you could rephrase that >< ...........
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-10-05 at 22:13:39
Does there really need to be a reason why we exist?

We are here. Good for us.

We should be asking ourselves what we should be doing with the time we have to prolong our exsistance, not debate why we exist (although I have nothing against this topic or anyone's beliefs).

I just think there is no reason. Random occurances, starting from some atoms that combined nicely into a acid or protein, that somehow made its way to earth -alive- and began the cycle of life.

Questions:
a) Why would God put us here if he did? To worship him? I wouldn't think so.
b) Why would the human race (or life in general) need have to have a reason for exsisting?
Did aliens create a bacteria to create a planet glowing with life only to harvest it 3 billions years later? Maybe...
What I'm saying is that there may be no reason why we exsist. We just do. Thats good enough for me (I personally like exsisting and dont care why. Its just good to be alive).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-10-06 at 01:14:13
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More energy in your body than your neighbourhood's electrical, chemical, heat ...don't make me post a link to Kellimus's threads where he just spews his own imaginary facts and gets angry when you question where he got his lies from.

If your body had more energy than your neighborhood's electrical facilities it would be true if you touch the electrical leads in your nearest power outlet that you would infact fry the wires and the wires wouldn't fry you. I encourage you to try this now, please come back after and post your results.. Hurray!


ALL ENERGY IS NOT ELECTRICAL!!!

OMFG, you try and make me look stupid with a comment like that!
Chemical, heat, kenetic, etc.
Have you passed 9th Grade Science??
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-10-06 at 17:55:33
what do you get when you multipy 6 by 9?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2005-10-06 at 20:09:19
54!! I WIN!! I WIN!!!!! clapping.gif biggrin.gif

But yes, we do output and input a lot of energy. I'm not sure how much so I wont contridict either of your statements but I wouldn't be surprized if we did have more energy than electicle wires and such.

Think about how much heat we must put out; we need to maintain a 37 C temperature all the time for all our life in order to survive. We also need to be able to get enough energy to the trillions of cells in our body so they can preform their functions.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-10-06 at 20:18:03
It's 42.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mostly-Harmless on 2005-10-06 at 20:47:04
It's hard to post without using an opinion so I'm going to apologize in advance for using one... ( two .. maybe 3 or 5... okay.. sorry for all of em)


Humans were probably put here to persue a larger purpose. We spend all of our time squabbaling over one little planet when we could be out exploring the stars and finding things bigger than ourselves. The goal of all life is self preservation, it's built into our Dna. That's probably why we're alive and why we stay here. I dont know... I guess we're just here and we're working twoards something but we'll never know what. That's where faith comes in... and that's where I'll stop because I dont want to start talking about god.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-10-07 at 19:38:24
Here's the bigger question. Why do we need a purpose/meaning to life/existence?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-08 at 10:56:03
to keep Moving on...Motivation
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-10-08 at 17:03:04
Thats not a logical reason. Thats a personal, subjective reason for a reason.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-10-09 at 14:05:17
QUOTE(Dr.Shotgun @ Oct 7 2005, 04:38 PM)
Here's the bigger question. Why do we need a purpose/meaning to life/existence?

We need a purpose/meaning-to-life to give logical reason for existence. If mankind doesn't have one, then many people will argue, "If we have no reason to exist, then why should we keep existing?" Choosing existence over non-existence would be illogical and based on ill preferences, if you can understand.
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Let me polish my argument so it can make better sense: Let us suppose that pure atheism is right; there is nothing after existence. Then, if there is nothing after existence, then anything we do IN existence will be not remembered after existence. (That is to say, non-existence is incapable of thought.) Therefore, anything we do for ourselves in existence we will forget. Everything we do for our needs are meaningless because we will not remember them anyways; we will have ceased to exist. Therefore, what difference does it make if we are alive or dead?

Cheeze, that debater who never lets you get the better of him, had a solution. "My goal in life is to help others, and I want to have their lives benefit from what I do." It is quite the notable goal, but it is flawed. Who here remembers my infinity thread? It was to prove that infinity cannot exist; therefore the universe cannot be infinite.

But NOW, I turn a flawed argument often used by supporters of the "infinite universe" to prove evolution against them! The argument stated: Because there's an infinite amount of time for things to happen, it will happen. I disproved this argument by proving that infinity does not exist in tangible form. BUT, that does not mean you cannot have an everextending future. Every word I type, an extra second is tacked on to the future, quickly put to the present, and given to the past. Because we know that our timeline will continue to extend, is it not safe to say that the possibility "all mankind shall perish" will happen sooner or later?

"My goal in life is to help others, and I want to have their lives benefit from what I do." This does not work, because sooner or later ALL mankind will perish and not remember anything that happened. Heck, they won't even have the ability to remember things because they don't exist!
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Conclusion: If you believe there is no life after existance, then no matter what you do (for yourself, for others), it will all ceased to be remembered, and you will cease to remember it as well. So then, why exist?



Everything you do, even refuting me, will be forgotten....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-10-09 at 14:10:23
No, your memory and actions will be lived on through other people biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2005-10-09 at 14:21:31
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My goal in life is to help others, and I want to have their lives benefit from what I do

So what are you gonna do? Invent a cure for AIDS? Make flying cars? Well good luck!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-10-09 at 14:34:51
QUOTE(Ginnungagap @ Oct 9 2005, 11:10 AM)
No, your memory and actions will be lived on through other people biggrin.gif

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Because we know that our timeline will continue to extend, is it not safe to say that the possibility "all mankind shall perish" will happen sooner or later?

Read the quotes very carefully. Ok you're ready.

Sooner or later, all mankind will perish, because whatever can happen WILL happen since time will extend continually to the future. Therefore, everything you do for others will cease to be remembered, because nonexistance has no capability of remembering!

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QUOTE(whoever said this)
My goal in life is to help others, and I want to have their lives benefit from what I do

So what are you gonna do? Invent a cure for AIDS? Make flying cars? Well good luck!
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HEY DON'T INSULT CHEEZE! THAT'S A NOTEWORTHY CAUSE! mad.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-10-09 at 18:21:50
QUOTE(Mr.Kirbycode774 @ Oct 9 2005, 02:34 PM)
Read the quotes very carefully. Ok you're ready.

Sooner or later, all mankind will perish, because whatever can happen WILL happen since time will extend continually to the future. Therefore, everything you do for others will cease to be remembered, because nonexistance has no capability of remembering!
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Ya, mankind will perish. Good one.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-10-09 at 18:23:09
Eh? Was that sarcasm? I couldn't tell.. sorry.. sad.gif
Could you explain a bit further?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-10-09 at 18:27:55
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Eh? Was that sarcasm? I couldn't tell.. sorry..
Could you explain a bit further?


Funny, seeing as how I was hinting at the fact that you should explain further.


Okay, you know what. I don't care about this argument and I don't know why I'm arguing about this. Hence the first post with the biggrin.gif at the end of it.

I don't care or need a reason or meaning to life and I don't care if it's illogical. I exist, so I'm illogical. Big deal.

If you believe there is no meaning to life then kill yourself, I'm fine with that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by D)s-202 on 2005-10-09 at 18:31:20
The meaning of Life is life. its obvious
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-10-09 at 18:39:48
QUOTE(Ginnungagap @ Oct 9 2005, 03:27 PM)
I don't care or need a reason or meaning to life and I don't care if it's illogical. I exist, so I'm illogical. Big deal.

If you believe there is no meaning to life then kill yourself, I'm fine with that.
Good so you realize how my argument works Ginn. There are many people who uphold logic above all else. Those who believe in logic so dearly and believe in nothing after existance, as I have just proved, have no reason for existance.

Of course, as you can see Ginn, you have found a way out. If you admit you don't care about logic and live anyways, that logically works! smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-10-09 at 18:41:55
QUOTE(Mr.Kirbycode774 @ Oct 9 2005, 06:39 PM)
Good so you realize how my argument works Ginn.  There are many people who uphold logic above all else. Those who believe in logic so dearly and believe in nothing after existance, as I have just proved, have no reason for existance.

Of course, as you can see Ginn, you have found a way out.  If you admit you don't care about logic and live anyways, that logically works!  smile.gif
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So if you truly believe in logic and nothing else then you should end life asap smile.gif However, CheeZe for one doesn't.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-10-09 at 18:44:54
QUOTE(Ginnungagap @ Oct 9 2005, 03:41 PM)
So if you truly believe in logic and nothing else then you should end life asap smile.gif However, CheeZe for one doesn't.

Well I should say "If you believe in logic and if you believe there is nothing after existance". If you believe there's something after existance.. say like Judiasm or what-not, you're exempt.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-10-09 at 18:49:18
But there are people who uphold logic above all else and don't believe in something after existence yet they still live.


Also there can't be something after existence, because then that is existence.
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