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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-10-05 at 13:44:55
Yea I noticed that many people started to discriminate me for being nazi while I haven't discriminated anyone(except jew). Weird wacko.gif .
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-05 at 14:03:14
QUOTE(ViolentJ @ Oct 5 2005, 10:40 AM)
Dead is not being racist by using Adolf Hitler a German leader as his avatar by posting yours Euro you are racist of hating a German Leader.
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Euro is not a "racist" for hating a dictorial leader. It's being smart. Anyone in their right mind would hate ANY dictorial leader, regardless if they killed off 18 million people. That just adds fuel to the fire.

Learn what a racist is before you try to attack Euro, too. Just because he has animosity towards a leader who just happened to be a German, does not make him "racist"

And Dead, I never discriminated agianst you. I just find it odd that you "worship" (Notice the quotes) Hitler.

Do you in fact worship this madman?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-10-05 at 14:05:44
I don't get it wacko.gif . When did I said that I worship anyone?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-05 at 14:10:33
It's called assuming.

You have a picture of him in your avatar, and you speak this German phrase: Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer! Sieg Heil, Sieg Heil! which translates into: A people, a realm, a leader! Victory welfare, victory welfare!

Welfare = For the good of the people.

Now tell me... How is Hitler for the good of the people?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-10-05 at 14:20:53
First off Don't use google to translate stuff.

The first part is "One nation, one empire, one leader!".
"Sieg Heil" cannot be properly translated to english without losing it's meaning. It like Victory, hey. Like a salute to coming victory.

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QUOTE(Kellimus @ Oct 5 2005, 09:10 PM)

It's called assuming.

You have a picture of him in your avatar
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I have never thought of you an addict with a LSD favorite.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-05 at 14:40:01
FYI, I didn't use Google.

And just because I made this Avatar 5 months ago from the program called Fruity Loops, because I found humor in it, doesn't mean i'm addicted to LSD (LysergicAcid-Diethylmide)

I have never taken it, and don't plan on doing it, either.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-10-05 at 15:02:05
That is exactly my point. I do not assume you anything from your avatar. So should not assume me anything from mine. And "look mom, it's Adolf Hitler" has it's little humor in it too tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-10-05 at 15:37:58
QUOTE(Felagund @ Oct 1 2005, 02:43 AM)
Germany was by far the superior country militaristically. If the Germans had had 40,000,000+ soldiers, of Wehrmacht caliber, they would have won the war in a year or two. But they only had a fraction of Russia's army, and eventually they were stretched too thin. Just look at Axis tactical brilliance: The Blitzkrieg, Operation Barbarossa, Pearl Harbor... and you'll see that they had far better generals. Even operations like the Bulge and the Battle of Britian were tactically sound, but sheer luck got the allies their victories. The entire Eastern front was partly luck and partly sheer numbers in the Russians' favor. The Western front was the same, on a greatly reduced scale.

I'd have to say that out of all victories in World War II on either side the greatest was the Blitzkrieg. If Hitler had ordered the Panzer divisions to decimate the British and French retreating to Britain, they easily would have. If Hitler did not have command of the Wehrmacht Germany would have won. Even an invasion of Russia (though costly) would have succeeded. It's as simple as that.
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That's a big thing to say, and not entirely accurate.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-10-05 at 16:35:22
Sure it is. The Allies had their moments of tactical brilliance, such as Kursk, D-Day, and Midway, but I think the Germans had the superior force out of any single nation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-10-05 at 20:00:35
Neither the Battle of Britain or the Battle of the Bulge were tactically sound.

Battle of Britain: The Luftwaffe does a good job attacking British airfields until Hitler goes mental over an RAF raid on Berlin and pressures Göring into bombing British cities in retaliation.

Battle of the Bulge: No fuel; poor quality troops (apart from the SS-Panzer); terribly outnumbered and the very fact that a nation near to defeat threw most of its remaining armour into an offensive rather than defending and inflicting high attrition on the Allies show this to be a tactical folly.

I also disagree with you about the Germans having the best generals. Sure, they had great talent in Von Manstein, Rommel and perhaps Mödel, and the Western Allies had to make do with overrated generals like Patton, Bradley and Montgomery, but the Russians surely had the best generals? Zhukov, Konev and Rokossovky were exceptionally talented.

Apart from those disagreements, I do support what you claimed: A much larger Wehrmacht could have easily won the war.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2005-10-06 at 16:47:49
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guys i dont care about hiler or w/e who gives a rats ass of what his avatar is.

we all have a freedom of speach and oppinions read the damn constitution and educate yourself


Seriously, violentj

As some people said, dont say educate until u learn yourself.
The constitution says freedom of speech, but who follows the constitution 100%?
U go into a bank and say to a policeman 'I am going to kill you and steal all the money..' If he shoots u, its ure fault, even though its freedom of speech.

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Dead is not being racist by using Adolf Hitler a German leader as his avatar by posting yours Euro you are racist of hating a German Leader.

Hitler isnt a race.. Hes a person who initiated a war and killed millions of people of a religion he doesnt like.
I think were allowed to hate him to any extent.

I understand if dead holds him as an idol or something (lord of the dead, get my meaning?) and thats ok and everything..

Violentj, can u please change ure avatar?
This one just creeps me out.. i mean are those braces?!?
And he doesnt look like the peoples champ sad.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-10-06 at 17:44:50
I've desided to side with DEAD on this one.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ViolentMoose on 2005-10-06 at 22:12:53
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Violentj, can u please change ure avatar?This one just creeps me out.. i mean are those braces?!?
And he doesnt look like the peoples champ


lol, his name is paul wall hes a rapper and those arent braces there called Grills

Grills mean Diamonds and other type of crystals in a form of teeth covers
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-10-06 at 22:42:28
Syphon list reasons...He even said so himself he discriinates against jews which I happen to be. Notice in the shout box ( i will even get the tme and date of it too) he says "Juden aus SEN!!" Which from my small understanding of German stands for "Jews out of SEN!!" he then goes on to state that he likes hitler because he "saved someone in his family and rid latvia of russians and jews". So syphon your going to side with a "nazi"?

Now dead, list some reason why you hate jews. Don't even list anything that hitler would of suggested such as "They were trying to take over the world" or "They were undermining the state."

List 5 good reasons. Is it because they have done much with little? From slaves in egypt to a nuclear power in the middle east? Christianity came from judiaism. Do you worship christ? If so, then you right there would prove to be a hipocrite since he too was jewish.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-10-06 at 23:02:03
The same thing could have been said for the Allies, if all their soldiers were of Wehrmacht caliber, they would of easily won. The reason why the allies won was numbers and tactical brillance. wink.gif One side gets a gun, the other side gets armor.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2005-10-07 at 00:14:00
hey am i a nazi now seeing that I'm german and i have a pic of hitler in my avatar?


you guys are fighting a loosing battle just you know. many people hate the germans just because of what hitler did many people just hate hitler. most people don't really care. what i'm trying to say is that both of these "Sides" are write and wrong.... have any of you read hitlers book?
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Mein Kampf
i have and it makes a serious impact on you. most people say "he killed jews cuz he racist" LOL! nope he isn't racist he attacked the religion. it didn't matter if they where germans.

Germany lost cuz it was out numbered. 3 nations vs one.... and they only had the foot hold in the begging of the war. but america and russia is so big they clearly built a army and plenty of armor in a short time. hitler screwed up by having one big factory for his tanks n stuff. he should of had them all spread out so the allies would of had a harder time destroying them. this topic talks about Germany and Russia it should be Germany and the allies. i've also heard allot about how hitler had kids in his army. kids that where usually 18 and over. america had the same thing and most american soldiers where 18 and under so they could serve there country. allot of people think the germans soldiers where bad people. (LOL!) sorry but most of the germans where just like the americans just wearing for a different uniform and fighting for a different cause.

I know my post doesn't make much sense but w/e.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-07 at 00:21:41
3v1? You do mean 3v3, right?

Germans (Hitler), Italians (Musolini. However you spell his name), and Japan.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-10-07 at 00:32:30
zombie we never said a nazi was someone who is german and had hitler in his avy you fool. Also I am german. The kids in Germany's army were 15. He also had seniors, they were called the Volkstrum. Read about it before you post. Also thats not hitler in your avy which leads me to two conclusions, A) you have no clue what the blam that comes out of your mouth (or hands) means, or B) you are mentally ill. I'm hoping its not the latter. I don't hate the germans as many people don't obviously you've heard otherwise. We hate him and his party (nazi's) I've been to germany and the sourrounding countries and it is beautiful there. So please, if you have no lcue to what you are saying, don't post. Must I add that "Owned by Euro" back into my siggy for you people?

P.S. You can't even use the excuse "they only lost because they were fighting 3 different countries". HE ATTACKED THEM!!!! SO OBVIOUSLY HES GOING TO COME UNDER ATTACK! Its common sense, which you apparently lack.

Heres a little site for you: http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/yelhit.html
Even though it says 16 to 60, there has been proof that there were 14-15 year olds thrown in there. I mean all they wore was a black armband with words on it and a coat. How would you feel if your 14 year old who has never seen battle was handed a coat and rifle and told to defend the reich. Now imagine being the allied soldiers forced to kill that 14 year old.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2005-10-07 at 00:46:14
QUOTE(Euro @ Oct 6 2005, 09:32 PM)
zombie we never said a nazi was someone who is german and had hitler in his avy you fool. Also I am german. The kids in Germany's army were 15. He also had seniors, they were called the Volkstrum. Read about it before you post. Also thats not hitler in your avy which leads me to two conclusions, A) you have no clue what the blam that comes out of your mouth (or hands) means, or B) you are mentally ill. I'm hoping its not the latter. I don't hate the germans as many people don't obviously you've heard otherwise. We hate him and his party (nazi's) I've been to germany and the sourrounding countries and it is beautiful there. So please, if you have no lcue to what you are saying, don't post. Must I add that "Owned by Euro" back into my siggy for you people?

P.S. You can't even use the excuse "they only lost because they were fighting 3 different countries". HE ATTACKED THEM!!!! SO OBVIOUSLY HES GOING TO COME UNDER ATTACK! Its common sense, which you apparently lack.

Heres a little site for you: http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/yelhit.html
Even though it says 16 to 60, there has been proof that there were 14-15 year olds thrown in there. I mean all they wore was a black armband with words on it and a coat. How would you feel if your 14 year old who has never seen battle was handed a coat and rifle and told to defend the reich. Now imagine being the allied soldiers forced to kill that 14 year old.
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aw owned my euro how sad cry.gif.

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ave no lcue to what you are saying, don't post.


aha but thats where your wrong i do know what im saying and i will post. and he did attack russia and europe. also it was 3v1 the other countrys didnt do blam japan was half way across the country and the italians didnt even do blam. hitler i think forced them to ally =/. about the age thing i think that hitler was getting desprate for soldiers when he started loosing... and about the Volkstrum i didnt say anything about them so i wont continue about that. btw i never said you hated germany did i? or germans or anything like that. ive seen people that dont like the germans for what hitler did.
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we never said a nazi was someone who is german and had hitler in his avy
now now i when i said
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hey am i a nazi now seeing that I'm german and i have a pic of hitler in my avatar?
i was refering to the asuming that was in the prev.posts.

So please if you dont know what im talking about dont post some thing thinking that you owned me...

btw you cant really own some one.... nerd.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-10-07 at 00:54:22
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and about the Volkstrum i didnt say anything about them so i wont continue about that.

Right there is the beginning of your bullblam post. look below
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i've also heard allot about how hitler had kids in his army. kids that where usually 18 and over. america had the same thing and most american soldiers where 18 and under so they could serve there country.


another one:
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aha but thats where your wrong i do know what im saying and i will post. and he did attack russia and europe. also it was 3v1 the other countrys didnt do blam japan was half way across the country and the italians didnt even do blam. hitler i think forced them to ally =/.

He didn't force them you ignorant fool.

Next:
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btw i never said you hated germany did i? or germans or anything like that. ive seen people that dont like the germans for what hitler did.

ya you practically did when you said this because i do care:
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many people hate the germans just because of what hitler did many people just hate hitler.


Therefore you just contradicted yourself and lied. What a retarded move.

BTW a nerd isn't a gamer. I'm a geek. Get it straight, unlike your sexuality blam.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2005-10-07 at 01:05:00
first off you need to get your issues straiten out.


when i said

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and about the Volkstrum i didnt say anything about them so i wont continue about that.


if you clearly had any intelligence you would realilize that i wasnt talking about the old guys i was talking about the young ones. kk gg owned no re.



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He didn't force them you ignorant fool.
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oh wait do you hear that? i think thats the sound of some one not reading the intire post.
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hitler i think forced them to ally =/.

btw. i was talking about italy when i said that.

kk gg owned no re.


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many people hate the germans just because of what hitler did many people just hate hitler.

HAHAHAHAHAH!
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many
that doesnt mean ALL right?


Owned?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-07 at 01:06:23
Zombie, do you condone the torturing of innocent people in the concentration/extermination camps?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2005-10-07 at 01:07:08
Nope.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-10-07 at 01:09:30
QUOTE(Zombie @ Oct 6 2005, 11:07 PM)
Nope.
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Do you think Hitler was good or evil? Or neither?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2005-10-07 at 01:10:39
Neither
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