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Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-09-29 at 19:26:48
(From the DLDB Keepers Hired Thread)
QUOTE(DEAD @ Sep 29 2005, 01:34 PM)
I see my avatar is removed without any explanation why. And Felagund's avatar has not been removed. I also see that you all dislike nazi and I understand that but you haven't even thought about the crimes that soviet did. 

They were as bad as nazi. They occupied east europe. They send my people into arctic deserts of siberia. My neighbor who lives next to me freezed his body there and now he can't even move properly. Many of my people died there. Even after WW2 soviets hunted former SS legionnaires. They killed their families. SS soldiers from "Kurzemes Katls" were hiding in forests for 15 years and even they soviets found and killed them. Soviets fought their battles with the high numbers of soldiers. They could produce only 1 rifle on 3 soldiers. Guess who they picked on first frontal lines. Even now Russian is ruining our country. So the scars of war have not yet healed here. And there are many more soviet crimes from WW2 so don't come here and say "I am major of history". You know nothing of WW2 true history. You just have read of Hitlers crimes as you are jewish.

I am up most offended by that mod who removed my avatar while Felagund's avatar is still there. I understand that a simple picture of Hitler offends people but you must understand that is you remove one side you must remove other. BTW who remover my avatar. And I hope that SEN isn't communism propagation. I know that you all think that you know WW2 history and you are almost right but I live there and I know that little history that was here better that you all. Thank you for your attention. I will now set my avatar back till I get some explanation.

BTW yes german killed people in war but so did US. Just think of how many german can say "my grandparents was killed in war". So that means nothing. PEOPLE DIE IN WAR.
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Post your responses here, not in that News post.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-09-29 at 23:00:20
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they had 3 soldiers to one german,oviously all the allies didn't 'own' them.
Uh they did get owned. They began this war. They even attackedrussia. They creaed a 2 front war for themselves. Then they got owned. Its not that we made it two fronts, they did.

merral, just because you are now a DLDB does not make you superior to everyone who isn't a staff member. I'm happy you got it and all but don't take it to your head.

Also merral. My avatar is as offensive to you (or as inappropriate) as DEAD's hitler picture is to me. have a nice day. All it is saying is that the man who commited mass murder on my people (polish and jews) can suck on it. So basicly you are saying that if lets say Jow Shmoe kills 2 of your family members, and someone decided to post his picture as his avatar. You would have no problem whatsoever. I shall now move to the other topic.


Minimoose if it offends you then ask him to remove it. You see his anti-cross is simply a statement he is trying to make that he is against them. The hitler photo is a reminder of the 6 million jews killed in the final solution to the jewish question. Yes the same can be said for the russian avy. All DEAD has to do is ask fela. Don't even say "its a reminder of how christ was crucified" because you all praise it as him dying for your sins. Ever thought about the other 6 guys on the crosses next to him? What were they dying for?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shadow-Killa_04 on 2005-09-30 at 02:03:23
The Soviets were better than the nazis, but they were both bad. First of all, not even Stalin is crazy enough to start ww2. There was the cold war which lasted during his rein but war never broke out really. Yes, the soviets did occupy europe because in Nazi, soviet pact it said they'd be at peace and wouldn't help other nations that were attacking each other. It also said any other country on the borderline of the USSR or germany such as Poland and one was invaded by the other, they would split the land. That part was not announced. Nor did the Russias have a role in the holocaust.

Besides, without the USSR, Germany would not have felt the rath of "General Winter." In other words, The -20 degree weather in Russia during the winter. The USSR people were prepared, the germans weren't. Tanks engines froze and so did the germans. If USSR wasn't there the germans would have faired much better in the war. Whether they'd win or loose, who knows.

And Euro, lets not make this a religous debate because it quite frankly has nothing to do with relidgon.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-09-30 at 08:52:49
QUOTE(Shadow-Killa_04 @ Sep 30 2005, 12:03 AM)
The Soviets were better than the nazis, but they were both bad. First of all, not even Stalin is crazy enough to start ww2. There was the cold war which lasted during his rein but war never broke out really.
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Do you even know what the cold war was? It's called the cold war because it never broke out at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-09-30 at 10:43:15
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The Soviets were better than the nazis, but they were both bad.


In terms of how many people they slaughtered, Stalin makes Hitler look like a nice guy. He's that bad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-09-30 at 13:28:41
QUOTE(rivalry @ Sep 30 2005, 08:43 AM)
In terms of how many people they slaughtered, Stalin makes Hitler look like a nice guy.  He's that bad.
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No, he's worse than that...

"Must... crush... capitalism...! grr."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zycorax on 2005-09-30 at 13:58:32
It's because of people like Stalin that the communism have such a bad reputation. They do bad things and then many people think that's what communism are. I'm a communist myself, but that doesn't mean that I support all what Stalin, Lenin and many other communist leaders did.
If you use the communism in the right way it will work very good, but so far (as I know) no one have done that. But also, I don't think communism would work very well in a country like Norway where I live, but in poor countries that maybe just have been in a war and don't have very much resources it may work good to make the country raise up to what it was before the war and then change it back to capitalism when all people got something to start with after the communism period. It's just a theory I've thought up during the last year, but I belive on it. And if you believe on a thing its easier to do...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-09-30 at 14:26:53
i have a simple solution for all of the people arguing over the avatars

DEAD and dr.shotgun just man up and delete your avatars big deal use a different avatar and stop being stubborn
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-09-30 at 20:38:30
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It's because of people like Stalin that the communism have such a bad reputation. They do bad things and then many people think that's what communism are. I'm a communist myself, but that doesn't mean that I support all what Stalin, Lenin and many other communist leaders did.
If you use the communism in the right way it will work very good, but so far (as I know) no one have done that. But also, I don't think communism would work very well in a country like Norway where I live, but in poor countries that maybe just have been in a war and don't have very much resources it may work good to make the country raise up to what it was before the war and then change it back to capitalism when all people got something to start with after the communism period. It's just a theory I've thought up during the last year, but I belive on it. And if you believe on a thing its easier to do...


Communism can work in any country. It's just that it looks perfect on paper, but in practicality, no one can accomplish it; no amount of people can completely close themselves off from everyone else in the world. It's like America and Mexicans - you aren't going to get all of them. And as for Stalin giving Communism a bad name, don't forget Mao Zedong (Great Leap Forward = 20 year technological setback and 50 million deaths). The difference between Fascism and Communism, is that Fascism doesn't and won't work. Communism has the potential to.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2005-09-30 at 22:43:14
Germany was by far the superior country militaristically. If the Germans had had 40,000,000+ soldiers, of Wehrmacht caliber, they would have won the war in a year or two. But they only had a fraction of Russia's army, and eventually they were stretched too thin. Just look at Axis tactical brilliance: The Blitzkrieg, Operation Barbarossa, Pearl Harbor... and you'll see that they had far better generals. Even operations like the Bulge and the Battle of Britian were tactically sound, but sheer luck got the allies their victories. The entire Eastern front was partly luck and partly sheer numbers in the Russians' favor. The Western front was the same, on a greatly reduced scale.

I'd have to say that out of all victories in World War II on either side the greatest was the Blitzkrieg. If Hitler had ordered the Panzer divisions to decimate the British and French retreating to Britain, they easily would have. If Hitler did not have command of the Wehrmacht Germany would have won. Even an invasion of Russia (though costly) would have succeeded. It's as simple as that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-09-30 at 22:45:13
Uniting the world, the idea itself, isn't a bad thing. Unfortunately, everyone all think the only way to do it is with an iron fist. pinch.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2005-10-01 at 01:20:25
Any way someone could try to unite the world, somewhere there would be a person who would be losing power to someone else, and they would grow angry. Diplomacy can sometimes work, but you would need more skills than anyone alive to convince the world leaders to unit together by diplomacy alone.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-10-01 at 03:43:28
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lets not make this a religous debate because it quite frankly has nothing to do with relidgon.
yes it does. He stated "He [Hitler] rid latvia (w/e country) of jews and russians." If you don't know, jews = people of the jewish RELIGION. persecuting for their beliefs. Which he is praising him for.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2005-10-01 at 10:48:33
Uniting the world except with an iron fist is impossible until later.
People are still too warlike to be united except with an iron fist.
We need someone tough, smart, and who can speak french to unite the world under one banner and keep it that way
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2005-10-01 at 13:14:39
QUOTE(Silver-Dragon @ Oct 1 2005, 10:48 AM)
Uniting the world except with an iron fist is impossible until later.
People are still too warlike to be united except with an iron fist.
We need someone tough, smart, and who can speak french to unite the world under one banner and keep it that way
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That's what everybody thinks. However, the problem that would arise from it is that everyone wants to "unite" the world under his own flag, and soon "unite" would only turn into "conquer".

In the past there was nothing wrong with this; Alexander the Great, Caesar, Genghis Khan, Napoleon, etc., have succeeded in uniting a great amount of landmass under each of their own respective nations.

Today, however, it is no longer so simple. Everyone wants to win and therefore nobody would admit defeat, but only continue to fight on and on and on.

If only the UED is a reality. sad.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FireStorm on 2005-10-01 at 13:22:57
The World was much larger back then now because of technology its become a much smaller world and not many things don't go unchecked.I believe sooner or later these trying World Dominators will win, but that could be hundreds years from now..I mean i'm sure there will still be plenty of wars to come cause people can't survive without it ,but I guess we will see what happens in the future. wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-10-03 at 06:55:01
QUOTE(n2o-PiMpSoNs @ Sep 30 2005, 01:26 PM)
i have a simple solution for all of the people arguing over the avatars

DEAD and dr.shotgun just man up and delete your avatars big deal use a different avatar and stop being stubborn
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I really don't think I will, nobobdy has complained about it (other than minimoose), and he hasnt asked me to remove it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2005-10-03 at 17:30:09
Oh its possible to units under one flag.. but as i said people are 2 warlike to do it without force.

With force its just lots of rulers united under one..
Think all presidents/kings/tsars/emperors etc are ruled by one great hoom-ba and forced to use same flag.. Thats what im talking about.
If controlled in all by one person, he wont turn against himself. (unless hes suicidal)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-10-03 at 23:37:55
I would just liek to let you know DEAD, that I reported you for your "Juden aus SEN!!" comment in the shoutbox.

For all those who cannot read German it means "Jews out of SEN!!" Therefore it is a racist comment.

P.S. World domination is no longer possible through war. The only way to achieve it is through decieving the people, marshal law (for a period of time), and terror to push the citizens into submission. The reason war is no longer a possiblity is because of the media. War was far more successful back in the day because it took a longer amount of time for the people to hear of it. Nowadays, 15 minutes of an attack occuring, its got its own news page on yahoo.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-10-04 at 15:38:25
Just so you know, Jew is not a race but nation based on religion. So it was nazi, not racist.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chronophobia on 2005-10-04 at 15:51:54
QUOTE(DEAD @ Oct 4 2005, 01:38 PM)
Just so you know, Jew is not a race but nation based on religion. So it was nazi, not racist.
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Well in any case it wasn't good, you naughty man!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ViolentMoose on 2005-10-04 at 16:22:30
guys i dont care about hiler or w/e who gives a rats ass of what his avatar is.

we all have a freedom of speach and oppinions read the damn constitution and educate yourself
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-10-04 at 18:57:11
hear you talk about "educate yourself" is funny seeing as you usually have a hard time typing in english. Your what? 14? That gives plenty of time to learn the english language.

DEAD I know nazi doesn't mean racist, it just happens that many of the nazi's especially of the 40's were racists. I know your a racist for your many comments against jews.

Heres a couple:
"Juden aus SEN!!" in the shoutbox (it means "Jews out of sen!!")
"Hitler rid latvia (or w/e country) of the jews and russians" - in a post.

Maybe if you read what i had wrote you would know i said judiaism is a religion.
Also violentJ, freedom of speech doesn't giveyou the right the be racit or anti-semetic or else they wouldn't punish you in school for it would they?

also, are you allowed to go on a plane and say "I'm going to hijack this plane". According to you, you can. I think you should READ the constitution and learn what it means.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2005-10-05 at 11:20:35
Just so you know.

jew, russian, german, chinese, african are nationalities. If I discriminate by these I am a Nazi.

negro, white, asian - races. If by there I am a racist.

ADDITION:
check out SirhcTheForbidden's avatar. Looks like Adolf becomes popular nowadays tongue.gif .
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ViolentMoose on 2005-10-05 at 13:40:59
Dead is not being racist by using Adolf Hitler a German leader as his avatar by posting yours Euro you are racist of hating a German Leader.
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