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sirhc, you joined yesterday... shhh. We here at SEN have the right to voice our concerns over this. Its moreover a popularity contest. {Member A} gets invited because he's "mature", {A} ask that his other two friends {B} and {C} get invited too since he claims they are "mature" too.

this is true ive been at sen back in the white ver (v4 i think) and i known yoshi personally. and i was the first person to be banned from sen! and then i got back (w00t).i should be allowed to see in the forum. but any way sen does stand for sharing n all that we should be allowed to see it. Yoshi would of never allowed this...

Yea, right -.-

Keep that for yourself till you know everything.

That's exactly what i'm saying.

I'm not mature enough for the guy in charge.

What's the difference between this and PMs?

Nothing.

keep that to yourself until your a week old

SEN is starting to suck majorly, dude.

ya with all these problems, and racism.
yoshi leaving...
server downtimes...
Then we have special forums that only the popular kids can go in...

Like all good things, SEN too must come to an end.
Not neccesarily now, but soon.
They're all steps to it's demise.

Which is also good, because think of all the free time I'll have.

More seriously:
Don't care. They wanna have their own private forum? Let em have it.

Yes one day SEN will end. I just hope IP and Yoshi keep SEN in a folder somewhere, where one day they will cross over it again and think about remaking it.

I just want to know what the heck they're doing in their that can't be shared with the rest of us...

Who decides who gets in? Does it work like a viral?

So much for "hope", son.

When did that forum come up O.o well anyways i do agree it shouldnt be locked and why is it "Hand-Picked Members" Is there something special about them that excludes them from the rest of us...also what are you talking about in there that could so important that the rest of SeN couldn't handle?

It's just people with huge egos.

Think of it on the bright side: If the rest of the forums have such low activity, imagine how slow that place must be!

This is just like school-yard politics:

A group of morons who happen to have power decide to use it and include only themselves while giving themselves more pwoer while excluding everyone else, while they themselves gave themsleves their title.


Pretty much same here, except whoever made it is playing favorite's heavily.

Staff forum being hidden and/or closed is understandable, they don't need everyone knowing if (HYPOTHETICLY AS IN ONLY A WHAT IF SITUATION, THE NEXT STATEMENT DID NOT HAPPEN AND I MADE IT UP) Mini acidentaly got a virus and it rampaged the DLDB.
They might not want that out at the start of it all, until teh danger is past, ect.

But high templar folder has no explanation.

Its school all over again... but its the super long weekend

I know I'm no longer a Staff member and that I'm supposed to be away but many people have complained about it, so I'll make my post on the subject.

It also caught me by surprise, heck I never thought that I'd see another special forum again.
I view of it as this way: it's a place where you can go to the past, the days that us older members like to think of as the days that never should've ended.

Yes it is unfair to the general public that such a forum exists and even worse that it can be viewed by the general public. I for one agree with hidding the forum, in a very similar way to what is done with the Staff Forum.

But another problem is the arguments that you are using to provoke such change in that forum. You say that it's unfair or just plain wrong and elitiratist. But the fact is that no one has gotten in there by making a few good posts. Although we never knew it, but all those long months of hard work helping people, making Tutorials, working at SEN, and just trying to strive for the better of everything is what got us in there. Not just a reputation. Do you see the DLDB Keepers in there? Do you see the best mapmakers in there? Do you see ex-Staff members & ex-administrators? I see none of them, even some of the people in there haven't made maps.

Look at those names carefully and find out what they have in common. They aren't great mapmakers or experts in programming or people who were staff. All they have in common is being an overwhelming addittion to SEN. All those people have written numerous posts such as this, not to show off or to gain minerals but to show you, the general public, a better way in which to live as a community.

That is how we earned the respect to be there, not by what we did but what we said.

Don't view that forum as a wall that you can't climb over, make it your goal, make it your effort to be part of it.

Why would one want to join? What is discussed there? How much activity is there?

Is it more than a bunch of people boasting about how they are a favorite of the staff?

btw: "elitiratist" isn't a word, but it sound elitist to try and make words longer than they really are.

Lol beerkeg..Deep.
Yah, but consider the way the people who are allowed are allowed..
As i heard it, minimoose handpicked them.
Well someone handpicked them.
Those that think they should have been included and in most cases do, those people who can be mature, who can type properly, and who did something for the website should be invited.
If its handpicked and inaccurate because u cant scan all the posts and check who helped, then it should be removed or at least put out of order until u do it.
The world isnt fair is what most people use as an excuse, but for that my answer is-
We should try to make it fair nevertheless.



No, it means you did not get picked.

I know the SEN staff is very hardworking on all this, and that they shouldnt have to go through all the posts (and cant anyway), but if ure going to make a private forum at least try to make it more accurate.. if ure going to handpick them, dont just pick the ones that were with SEN when it started; all things change.
Pick those that were with SEN when it started and those that are newly joined and deserve to be there.

I know maybe IM not mature enough, though i type properly and all, but i know a few people who i know should be allowed in and arnt.
No, i wont tell names

Wow, some of you REALLY need to start stop complaining.
Complaining won't help you get into the forum in the first place, that is the reason most likely WHY you aren't in the forum.
And for those who want to balete it, why do you care? You aren't even involved in it.



Leave. Bye.

You're just mad you aren't in it. Warhamma, you are by far one of the most immature members I see here on SEN, and stomp your feet when things don't go your way.

If you really think "sen sucks majorly," then just don't come here anymore.

Why don't I share who's in there? To PREVENT the jealousy and flaming. If you knew was in you'd go "Oh, why is $name better than me" "Hey $name, what's going on there". Guess what, those are the exact posts I created the forum NOT to have. To share you a bit of info, not much is going on there because it was just made.

Egotisitical people? Hardly. Again, the exact type of people I don't want in there. If anything, you're the ones with egos because your ego is supposedly "damaged" because you haven't been let in. Yeah, the forum's hidden now, in case you were wondering. It wasn't smart for me to leave it out there in the first place, I'll admit it.

Well I am now glad to know why the forum exists. And I agree that the people you are deciding to include are truly people of merritt.

I'm just curious, why do these people feel a need to isolate themselves from the rest of the community? I have a feeling it has something to do with maturity...

Im going to ask one more time, what is this forum for? (What is discussed in it?!)

Thats all I want to know, then i wont care anymore.

EDIT- So aggressive!