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I don't believe in karma at all, simply because I don't believe in some guy keep tracking of all the things that we do, and that he makes sure to reward us if we do good; Like santa claus.

Matter moves around with what we do. It doesn't matter if what we do is an "evil" thing or a "good" thing. It doesn't use those as conditions at all. It uses other things.

What I'm trying to say is just, if you're not religious, you shouldn't be believing in this at all.

Nope. Doesn't work that way man.

All I have done is give my love to one person. And for what? Them to breakup with me four days after we have our first sexual experience, and go fark every single one of my "friends"? To have her play with my mind and make me the very unstable person I am today?

Oh! I show friendship and trust to someone I love dearly, and for what? Them to disregard everything I have to say about it because the lies come from someone they "know, would not lie"?

Karma affects your afterlifes. Not this one.



I'm not religious, but I believe in God, Reincarnation, Karma, Chi/Ki, and the Occult.

You shouldn't make those claims.

Isn't karma a golden rule for most religions anyway?

Who shouldn't make what claims? The stuff I quoted, or the stuff you just said? I agree with what you said, just you quoting me kinda threw me off. Maybe I'm just not reading it right.

The claims he was talkinb about was
What I'm trying to say is just, if you're not religious, you shouldn't be believing in this at all.

Oh, thanks. I see now.

Kell, if you're an atheist (what I implied) you shouldn't be believing in Karma. Sounds kind of obvious, but I've seen a few atheists say they believed in it before. And by atheist, I don't mean JUST not believing in god. But I know you won't get too technical like that.

Atheist = "A" (No) "Theist" (God)

Karma has nothing to do with god. You can be an atheist and believe in karma. Buddhists them selves are agnostic, they don't care if there is or isn't a god because it really makes no difference.

Exactly, that's why I said:

I was using a generalization. I would've said nihilistic, but that can easily be taken a bit too far.

No i dont belive in karma
But i have a fealing that might change in the course of my life

Your "good karma" can effect the way people treat you, but it will not effect the outcome if your life.

I was told that you go to heaven no matter what as long as you ask God to forgive you for your sins. So, a true Christian wouldn't believe in Karma. I was thinking Karma was a little different than what Yenku was talking about, so I'm not really sure if I believe it or not, doesn't really make sense.

May I ask why you assume I am an atheist?

There seem to be two schools of thought on this, and just about any religion can be classified into one of the groups. One believes what you said about believing in God and asking for forgiveness is the only requirement for heaven. The other says that you have to do good deeds and/or obey God in order to get into heaven. I was raised to believe the second one. I'm not saying the first one is bad, but it sounds kinda like an excuse to act how ever you want as long as you get on your knees on Sunday. Of course, since I've never been very religious, my understanding on those things is proabably skewed.

Bottom line is, I believe in Karma and fate and things like that.

Some of you people are being a little too literal about Karma... this includes you Alpha. I believe when Chronophobia started this topic, he wasn't refering to the Hindu "What you do in this life will effect your next life" Karma and all such related things, but instead the Cause and Effect theory, as stated at the very top of this topic.

Now, I can't prove or disprove the Hinduistic view... but I can say that the Karma society most commonly refers to is generally right in most cases. Why? Because it occurs in society.

Alpha said there is no one man keeping track of what everyone does. He's right. There are probably billions, and they keep track of eachother, not the world. Karma may not effect you globally, but what you do does effect the place and people around you. Then again, if the only thing you believe in is Karma, you are also sorely mistaken... Kellimus doesn't believe in Karma because of a horrid experience. I'd call that being unlucky. Luck and Karma are totally different things, please don't mistaken one for the other.

In anycase, I'm trying to say that Karma is only applied to humans (more specifically society), but Karma isn't the only thing at work. Where there is man, luck will walk with him, be it bad or good.

(I don't really feel like saying much more right now, because if I did, it would come at the cost of dinner...)

I didn't assume you were. I was rewording my statement a little bit better cause of technical reasons. Kind of like what I'm doing right now.

Off topic here:
Let me make this very clear. Only time I ever do the whole disgusted tone like you're a fool is when I use this face. " " So if I point out a little thing about you that's wrong, and it doesn't have that face, I'm not insulting you. Just saying what you're wrong on. The smartest man can be wrong. No biggie. But if I use that face, THEN it can be taken as insulting your intelligence. (Or someone else's)

Back on topic:
Fallen, amen.

Why are you explaining yourself to me? I'm not angry for that, It was a question.

lol?
LoserMagician --;
Anybody get a feeling like (hey I shouldn't do this)...
I'll give an example...


I am riding my bike down the street... I come into an intersection... I think to my self..."I should go this way" but instead I go the other way. Long story short I end up falling off of my bike.
Stuff like that.. Anybody have it happen to them?

I was explaining myself so there was no confusion.

Speaking of confusion, death hawk has just confused the hell out of me.

Let me clear it up
Do you ever have to make a decision and you think to yourself you should chose something but you end up chosing the other thing and something bad happens to you?

I got that part. I didn't get the loser magician part. heh, sorry didn't put that in there.

I was commenting on the post you said about the angry face and being angry without making the angry face.
"I didn't assume you were. I was rewording my statement a little bit better cause of technical reasons. Kind of like what I'm doing right now.

Off topic here:
Let me make this very clear. Only time I ever do the whole disgusted tone like you're a fool is when I use this face. " disgust.gif " So if I point out a little thing about you that's wrong, and it doesn't have that face, I'm not insulting you. Just saying what you're wrong on. The smartest man can be wrong. No biggie. But if I use that face, THEN it can be taken as insulting your intelligence. (Or someone else's)

Back on topic:
Fallen, amen."

It is the case of clumsyness. That is not Karma.



Yeah. It's called life.



Why did you just quote all of his post?

Thank you.


Yes, I believe I mentioned that.


Thats not Karma.

I never said it was.
I was just asking if anybody had that feeling.

Then its off topic.