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Truer words were never spoken. Look at Das Netherladns, they're doing something right.

That's called moving along with the society's 'demands' (Denver's case) and incongruence from the Fed' Government (Authorities) when acting in local states. And I say incongruences about the government in this case when compared to alcohol and cigarette usage in particular.



Nothing to do with that. Stop with the inferences, please.
Have you by any chance seen the positive uptaking that Netherlands (aka Holland) as done on that subject - and since '79?
They do have it legal to a small extent (permitted cafes, bars and private usage) and it does not interfere with the society's normal way of working.




On what subject are you adressing? Still on marijuana/hash', I hope.
Plus you're all forgetting that the substance that it possesses (read, THC) can be used for medicinal purposes. The active principle was getting sidestepped and I thought to show that should remind fellas 'round of it. And I also dare ya to show me a medicinal usage for alcohol, or for that matter, cigarettes as well.



Then I'll have to politely ask for further proofs upon that. I (really) do hope that when saying this you're also recalling the "Dry Law" period.



*Sigh and/or sarcasm* Care to explain me what's the difference between 25 and 21. Somehow I fail to see the difference.
And the addicting part is solely on your opinion, 'cause alcohol can be more addictive as the other is (which is rarely), when compared. Just not to mention that alcohol abuse leads to far more health troubles than the marijuana abuse (hepatic cirrhosis isn't a thing to joke about, for merely one).



Funny, I don't see any difference between alcohol abuse and marijuana/hashish abuse while driving at the same time, either than the conservative PoV and the heavier fines that are applied in case of marijuana/pot consumption. And the same can be applied to alcohol and all it's rehab programs (AA, anyone?) and related jazz.
Again, another Holland case holler might shuffle, or even stiffle, your assumptions on this whole issue. As I said in other place, ignorance and morals sometimes awfully seem to go side-by-side and in hand-to-hand. *Sighs and cringes*
For sums, this whole "leverage" excuse seems rather moot from where I' standing and the arguement kinda petty.



Being your arguement against legalization?
And if it's the "in front of the kiddies" one, just so you know that it could happen to in an alcohol/cigarrettes scenario as well.
Again, do I have to remind the medicinal use for it? And the dare I did earlier, btw. :evil:

And don't come with the it's more dangerous excuse as well (see below).

(The source)

I hope that this sheds some light into the easily rebatable arguements I've seen around as well.



Woah, woah, woah... calm down a minute. That is too much, imho. In fact, I consider the minimum driving age to be 18 and the same goes alcohol consumption. That is the usual age when folks seem to get a tad responsible, not before.



I don't know about Germany, but being a State under the EU as well, it might be like in my country. 18 is the minimum age for both driving and alcohol consumption. And you have a 3 years probation limit after getting it - that is, if you have the slightest brink of trouble at the road, the license gets revoked and it's for life.

Edit reason: Linkage to hepatic cirrhosis.

Wanna know why they lifted the banning of alcohal? Our countrys economy was going down the drain the government was losing money and many people were to....If we were to ban alcohal again we would be in a DEEPER depth we are now...Think about that b4 you want people to ban alcohal again.

Thats where the government thinks differently. If they were to legalize it, the nearby countries would quickly move their empires into the states. Basically they would become the suppliers before any business could be set up in the states, which would mean people bought more foriegn products, and we would go into more debt. (But by that point nobody would mind about the deficit. )

You need to study Prohibition before you make false claims such as those.

The reason they lifted the prohibition of alcohol, was because of the gangsters, and bootleggers. They were sick and tired of the crime syndacates, so they realized Prohibition was a stupid idea.



I am going to throw out one of my crazy consirecies, so bare with me.

You do know that the reason Cocaine was such a hit in the 80s', is because Bush Senior imported tons of it, correct?

I believe the government already imports a percentage of the Marijuanna in the United States. Hell. I bet the really, really, really potent stuff is their own home grown

You really haven't seen the Netherlands case, now have you? They control produce it in order to fit it's safety specifications they (read, their Government) earlier 'standardized' for it to be safe and less OD'eing as some claim (similar as you).
If there are rules into alcohol production (max % limit, I believe), why couldn't it be others there regarding to the marijuana/hashish production?



For that statement, sorry but I'll have to ask for further proofs upon.
And if that happened, wasn't it in their struggle against drugs support on foreing states such as Columbia?

they shouldmt of legalized it, the kids are gonna start doing it.

Did you missread the word, consiracy?



Don't just come in and post random, and stupid shiz like this. Have you not been paying attention to the thread, noob?

That isn't the farking argument.

The argument is to legalize it, and create an age limit, like alcohol you noob.

And may I ask you, do you see "kids" smoking cigarettes? Do you see "kids" drinking?

No. You usually see the adolscene (Completely different from children and kids) doing these things.

ok well u shouldnt call me a newb cause from wat ive read and if you didnt read wat i said i also said THEY SHOULDNT LEGALIZE IT.

Hmm.. You just contradicted yourself, good job, noob:

Open-mindedness, means to explain why you say what you say, not to just say something and not explain, noob.

0H NOES, NOT T3H K1DZ!!11!!1

But really, could you explain your whole rationale behind why you think someone's personal activities should be limited and/or banned?

*Ahem* It'd be better if you really read what other folks state.


And how come 'genius' that would even happen if you would have an age limit, similar to alcohol already, and a (State's) production control over it? That, I'd like to know.



Yeah, it seems I have missread conspiracy. And btw, this is supposed to be the SD area, in which the "S" stands for serious and not the rumors zone.
Facts are what we usually dicuss here (or very close to that), not innuendos.

Edit add:


*EGS warning signal*
Not that lame excuse again... in fact, it's best if we only allow the legalization of the non-addicting drugs and not all the junk that floats 'round and about (like cocain, heroin and similar ilk).

I do agree that it's not the government's role to idiot-proof the society, but not the exact oppposite as well. The mid term should fit just fine in this picture.

Personally, I believe that banning a plant is stupid. How can you? It's like trying to ban the dirt beneath your feet or the sky above you. People will use it, people will grow it, because everyone is just looking for positive stimulation of the nervous system. We may build up fancy cultures and governments to say "well not always", but really, we're all looking for stim. How's one better then the other? Well, does one inflict negative stimulation upon another person? Marijuana is harmless. People are dangerous.

Marijuana should be kept but only smoke it when you are just chillin'...No smoking in the restaurants though, there are children there. I mean Marijuana gives people money, but it can hurt other people too. Health is more expensive than Marijuana and only smoke Marijuana when nobody is around.

But we all know ordering alcoholic drinks at resturants with your kids doesn't give them a motive towards it, that smoking around them doesn't effect their health, correct? How is one form of artificial stimulation better then another? I don't believe in the use of drugs to alter your mood, but I don't condone immense irrationality. If you want to do it, and you're not hurting yourself and anyone around you, go do it!

Having an alcoholic and a weed addicted father, and an alcoholic mother... I can tell you... It isn't pretty when they argue...
I just have to live with it, if I had the choice, I'd ban both forever

Another fella that doesn't read what others state... Haven't I said already how the system works in Holland?


Gee... I guess not. But, alas, I shouldn't be that amazed anyway. You're not the 1st to do it here (read, when it doesn't smoothly budge along with your PoV's a lot of SEN'ners seem to convienenetly let it slide by).