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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2005-11-26 at 13:35:54
QUOTE(Loser_Musician @ Nov 22 2005, 12:28 AM)
Hating people for these reasons alone is just down right stupid. I can't find a better word for it. Oh wait, yes I can; Ignorant.
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How exactly does that describe "Uneducated"?

*Moosephon is still sick of people using words the don't understand.

Grab a thesaurus people.

A better word would be prejudice.

I could even describe your post as Prejudice against people who discriminate against differently oriented people. You're calling them uneducated.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-11-26 at 16:14:47
What percentage of people are gay/lesbian in the world?

Does anybody know this, I heard it was 1/10, but that number seems extremely unrealistic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2005-11-26 at 16:18:47
QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Nov 24 2005, 05:19 PM)
Yes but you are ruling out the people who actually choose to be gay. the culture of today might add to the homosexual want.
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I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "choosing", perhaps they are a bisexual but decided to live a gay lifestyle?

QUOTE(NerdyTerdy @ Nov 25 2005, 08:28 PM)
I actually have a gay kid stalking me right now, at least he appears gay.  I posted a thread about it.  I have no problems with LGBTs as you are calling them, but I don't like it when they come after me..  Actually a bi-sexual girl I would not have a problem with.  One of the hottest girls I know that I truly would love to go out with (she lives in another state visits like twice a year) is actually wondering if she is bi-sexual, it doesn't make me love her any less, honestly we don't discriminate against people for their hairstyle or other stuff (not usually anyway), so why do we have to discriminate against them for their sexual preference, which is pretty much uncontrollable.
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I think the thing about gays is that people are scared they would come after them. I've known so many people (namely males) who discriminate only the gays who are the same gender they are. Most of the time I have noticed girls are more open to someone's sexuality.

Stalking does happen (like guys stalking girls and girls stalking guys), so it's not that different . I hope you sort out this matter with initiative. Of course as I have stated in another thread, he could probably make a good friend. If he seems to be very annoying then you should contact school authorities.

Hmm, comparing hairstyle to sexual orientation... I know you're trying to support LGBTs, but you can change your hairstyle if it was discriminated.

QUOTE(Dorkhawk @ Nov 25 2005, 08:37 PM)
Many of the gays I see over express themselves, although I don't see much gays, so this might not be an accurate statement.
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I'd like you to elaborate on what you mean by overexpressing. Sometimes if they don't express themselves then perhaps it's why you won't realise they are gay. Most gays appear no different from the people around them.

QUOTE(Doodan @ Nov 26 2005, 09:21 PM)
Another comment I'd like to make on this subject and my son's mom: I realize that there must be people who have felt attraction for the "wrong" thing for as long as they've been sexually aware. Although I don't like the idea of it, people will do what they do because that's how they are. I just hope hope hope hope they can take care of their RESPONSIBILITES in life. Like my boy's mom for instance, for a while I was willing to tolerate her lifestyle as long as she didn't expose me or my son to it. But we would schedule time for us to meet so she could see our son and when I would get there to pick her up, she would be GONE doing drugs/strangers or whatever. She wouldn't call me first or cancel or anything, she just acted on impulse. And she did this several times! Not just once, but SEVERAL times. As I already said, I took action and it's a good thing I did cuz she's only gotten worse.

I'm jaded on the whole subject, but I understand why. But for some reason, knowing WHY you feel a certain way doesn't make the feelings go away. But being sexually different from most people doesn't give you the right to be free of the responsibilites of life. I've seen too much of that carelessness. It will take a lot of time for my opinions to have a chance to change.
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Responsibilities. I have to agree with you on this Doodan. I know a few people who do take advantage of being gay... and heard of them using their sexuality as a weapon against their families (parents in this case). Of course, I'm still a teenager and will never have experienced the true responsibilities of life so I cannot make accurate comments on this issue.

Life is always hard, and I think being sexually different is just simply part of it.

QUOTE(DEAD @ Nov 26 2005, 11:11 PM)
Looking at your posts Screwed, I have to ask. Are you gay? Well, few things you say make you look like one...

No offense, I just wonder wacko.gif
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I'm not going to deny it. Yes, I am. To be precise I am bisexual with a majority male preference. I wouldn't mind if you called me any though. I have had crushes on girls before and many guys. Labels are just for communicating purposes. Orientation is a really complicated thing which I have been questioning for ages. I think right now I should be living by "if you find a nice girl, date her. If you find a nice guy, date him." Until I find which is what I truely prefer.

The thing about having a crush on a guy and a girl is really confusing. It's like I started liking a girl and there's nothing wrong with it since it's part of the accepted norm. Then I lost interest in females and suddenly I feel I did something that made me "choose" this. However I know I didn't choose this, I can't help it. I even tried denying it totally. I would force myself to look at girls and just things that hetero people do. However, they just furthermore reinforces my passion for other guys.

The even more confusing thing is you reflect on your past and even think you were trying to collaborate with the general society for liking that girl. It's like I was fitting in with society's standards but failing it it at the same time.

To those who have known me before, now that you know a part of me it might be a surprise. Some people might have guessed it. However, it's not like I am any different from the Screwed yesterday. It's just that I no longer have to supress my feelings in front of all of you.

There are many things about me I didn't mention, but I hope that answers your question DEAD.

QUOTE(nuclearrabbit @ Nov 27 2005, 12:51 AM)
[center]If that's how you are, you should be allowed to be yourself. Anyone trying to stop you from that should be ...'removed'.
What's with these religious groups trying to 'fix' gays? It's not fixable, that's how they are. I just have alot of hate for people who discriminate for any reason.
To quote the blonde one:
"At this point I have a request for our fans. If any of you in any way hate homosexuals, people of different color, or women, please do this one favor for us - leave us the fark alone! Don't come to our shows and don't buy our records."
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Thank you. Being gay is not a mental disease so it can't be "cured". Investigations have concluded that it isn't necessarily any particular type of family that would have caused a different sexual identity or orientation. They think it's a combination of biologocial, prenatal and postnatal factors that set in before 2 to 3 years of age. However, I do observe some connection between a gay male and lacking a father figure. Although I think it's because the gay will have a environment that he can perhaps feel more comfortable with and be more open with it. After he pronounces gay, the lack of a fatherly figure will eventually become something that draws attention. Being gay is like left or right handedness, you are born that way, or taught to write with your left or right hand at a very young age. There are many connections you can make between the two.


QUOTE(www.com.au @ Nov 27 2005, 04:49 AM)
I grew up in a strictly right wing household for the first 11 and a half years of my life.

i moved to an extremely left wing household and now 2 years later i have a much more open mind, but the way religion (yes, right wing christian household) has said things, constantly saying how bad gays are, and many other things that i have discovered horrified, are lies.  I dont know if any of you have ever had the feeling of realising that everything you have been taught, you beleived in, even the way you were wired to think was wrong. That has put a massive weight on my shoulders, something which is difficult to handle. (along with the usual discriminations an average 14 year old geek receives from his old school chums.)

i once saw a sign on the side of the road saying: "when gays die god laughs."  I have no idea how they found out what god thinks, but it doesnt sound like something god would say while sober.

Gays still scare me. really they do. i have met several gays on battle.net whom revealed thier sexual 'orientation' to late for me to push them away, so i have had to spend time with them, and i am coming to realise that they are people to, with opinions hates likes and wants just like any other... human. i also now beleive woman are being dressed up with worse stereo types then gays... but thats for another thread.
we have to respect everyones opinion. even those who seem to have the intelligence of a steamed dim sim. because of the way they think, we can think differently, the way we want to think. imagine if everyone was accepted, and every one thought the same way. i know weve all heard it before on playschool 'Everyone is different, be nice to other people...' (funny how the people who say that on kiddy shows conform..... therefore doing the exact opposite of what they just preached.)

Life wasnt ment to be like this. humans are animals. were not ment to be couped up in a box stuck working with media constantly pushing your buttons and cars honking and pollution. The world wasnt ment to be like this. it does things to people.
P.S. There was sodom and gomorah and whats his names wife turned around to watch them being incinerated and was turned into a pillar of salt. (were eatin dinner tonight) No where in the bible does it say anything against gays. One passage several people beleived that it said god would punish the gays, but after alot of research, it turn otu that was talking about pedophiles. (theres ANOTHER subject.)
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There are places in the bible which do say some negative things against gays literally. However, misinterpretation and misuse of the bible is already evident in history... "The Bible has been misused to defend bloody crusades and tragic inquisitions; to support slavery, apartheid and segregation; to persecute Jews and other non-Christian people of faith; to support Hitler’s Third Reich and the Holocaust; to oppose medical science; to condemn inter-racial marriage; to execute women as witches, and to support the Ku Klux Klan." (courtesy of http://www.pflagsanjose.org/advocacy/whatthebiblesays.pdf) Some things are outdated, and inequality of men and women are also present in the bible. Some things just no longer apply to our modern lives.

QUOTE(Moosephon @ Nov 27 2005, 07:35 AM)
How exactly does that describe "Uneducated"?

*Moosephon is still sick of people using words the don't understand.

Grab a thesaurus people.

A better word would be prejudice.

I could even describe your post as Prejudice against people who discriminate against differently oriented people. You're calling them uneducated.
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I see where you're coming from. However, there are studies that suggests that people who have developed positive attitudes towards LGBTs are usually the ones who have a close LGBT friend/ family, especially when they got to know them before their coming out. (of course there are definitely exceptions to this) This is why the conclusion can be placed that prejudices and discrimination towards LGBT are rarely from personal experiences but rather from stereotypes. (in some cases, there are again exceptions. The most known one here would be Doodan's son's mother)



So that's my long blabbering post. I think I'm going to get my ass off this chair and take a walk now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Hofodomo on 2005-11-26 at 20:56:15
Well, this may be unconventional, but we (as humans), need something to hate as well to love (my opinion). I guess a straight person has his or her principles to defend, and if that includes hating gay people, then defend your belief with pride. Same for the gay people themselves -- there are many that stand up and support their orientation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-11-27 at 01:00:44
I know a few gay people from school who have a "Yeah I'm gay deal with it" psyche... but this is only about 3-4 people so it's sort of hard to base much on it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Moogle on 2005-12-01 at 02:53:58
Screwed, nothing to worry about your not only person whom is gay or bi. I should know myself. Many people may know me but dont know me really as person whom i really am. So i think about time all knew that i am " Bi " and im proud of what i am. Hell got a problem then your problem not my. Yes some people maybe scared of stuff dont understand, why alot anti-people against gay movements and stuff. But thats life, cant expect all to take you for whom you are. This first step Screwed =)

\\Moogle
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-12-03 at 20:20:16
w00!

Honesty session!


And, no... I am not a homosexual or bisexual.

I just think it is pretty neat that people are coming out. biggrin.gif

Any other's that feel like being honest?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-12-05 at 18:34:49
Homophobia is gay. happy.gif

As long as I don't have to deal with it, be gay/bi all you want. Just don't come onto me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2005-12-06 at 22:23:49
I say this is deifinitely an overexaggeration from religious leaders as this goes against many of their principles of life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-12-09 at 15:51:30
What's an overexaggeration?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-12-09 at 17:23:02
@Kow

I have a 40 inch Fish!

When in actuality, the fish is a mere "4" inches...

It's saying something is a lot bigger/better than what it really is. smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-12-11 at 16:04:05
No, I meant to what are you referring as an overexaggeration.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-12-11 at 18:02:28
*Forsaken smacks forehead.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2005-12-11 at 19:39:59
As a side note: I must say Screwed's writing ability and maturity is top notch, my hat goes off to you.

On subject, I have to admit I harbour a slight hate toward hetrosexuals. Well more percisely it could be my hate of men objectifying woman. If I was amoung gay friends and someone said "damn that guy is hot" .. I wouldn't have a problem. But if a guy were to say infront of me, "Check out that girls tits" in any lurid way I would be deeply disgusted. Not at the fact I am not attracted to girls, but by the disgusting ways men leer at woman.

On a different topic I have GAD (Generalized Anxiety Disorder) and am very shy to start with.. people will never know that I am gay because I'm the type of person that *never* shows intrest in anyone (for fear of not being accepted - either peers accepting who I like or that person themself). In my mind I am a very much a "I don't give a shiz what you think type attitude" but at heart I only see myself seeking acceptance. So for me to ever find a boyfriend will be an amazing feat.. I will not go out to gay bars or anything of the sorts because, again anxiety. In the end it will be my own lonliness in life until I can some how break out of my shell.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-12-11 at 21:02:09
In a non-derrogative way:

I had no idea how many homosexuals are on this site...

I don't mean that in offense.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by synd][cate on 2005-12-11 at 21:44:12
QUOTE(Forsaken @ Dec 11 2005, 09:02 PM)
In a non-derrogative way:

I had no idea how many homosexuals are on this site...

I don't mean that in offense.
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2 confessed is not many but rather a couple :P

They're are probably more however.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-12-11 at 22:25:50
I have counted 3 so far.

2 of them are good freinds of mine! bleh.gif

Shows how oblivious I am.

Moogle, Screwed, and yourself...

Meh... I could care less about sexual preference. It's about how the person is as a person. Not their orienation. biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-12-12 at 00:20:16
QUOTE(Forsaken @ Dec 11 2005, 10:25 PM)
I have counted 3 so far.

2 of them are good freinds of mine! bleh.gif

Shows how oblivious I am.

Moogle, Screwed, and yourself...

Meh... I could care less about sexual preference. It's about how the person is as a person. Not there orienation. biggrin.gif
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Actually, if I recall correctly (sorry if I'm wrong, Moog), Moogle said he was bisexual.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2005-12-12 at 10:08:04
Gg. . . No Remake. bleh.gif


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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-12-15 at 16:31:49
Like Syndicate said, I dont like when girls are leered at. I'm not gay or even bisexual, but It's just utter disrespect.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2005-12-15 at 18:42:33
QUOTE(Kow @ Dec 15 2005, 04:31 PM)
Like Syndicate said, I dont like when girls are leered at. I'm not gay or even bisexual, but It's just utter disrespect.
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But alot of girls like the attention.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-15 at 19:15:49
I don't know if you guys know this but girls LIKE to think they are sexy and love it when guys tell them it, its a pretty big missconception that its disrespectful or immature.

You don't just talk to the girls, you complement them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-12-15 at 20:04:57
[center]But please, don't try to physically show that you think a girl is 'sexy'. That's a crime.
The only person I'm scared of for a sexual reason is Michael Jackson. I don't think that thing even has a gender.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-15 at 20:23:03
LOL nor an ethnicity
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-15 at 23:06:25
QUOTE(nuclearrabbit @ Dec 15 2005, 05:04 PM)
[center]But please, don't try to physically show that you think a girl is 'sexy'. That's a crime.
The only person I'm scared of for a sexual reason is Michael Jackson. I don't think that thing even has a gender.
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Yea, well I ment that girls like to hear "Hey guurrll you looking fine today yea fo sho" or some other style like that.
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