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Okay, before I start I would just like to define some terminology.

Heterosexual: Sexually oriented to persons of the opposite sex.
Homosexual: Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
Bisexual: Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of either sex.
Transexual: (Note this is not relating to a sexual orientation) a person whose sexual identification is entirely with the opposite sex. (This means their mental gender identity does not match their physical/genetic body)
Asexual: Lacking interest in or desire for sex. In other words, having no sexual orientation towards males or females.
Crossdresser: One dresses like the opposite gender
LGBT: Abbreviation. Lesbiens, Gays, Bisexuals, Transexuals
Heterophobia: The fear of, discrimination against, or hatred of hetereosexuals.
Homophobia: " " - homosexuals
Biphobia: " " - bisexuals
Transphobia: " " - transexuals

Clarification:
There are often stereotypes of gay males to be effeminate, and gay females to be more manly. This is often wrong, because it's just that the gay male/female have a preference for the same gender. They still want their partner to love them back as the gender they are.
E.g. they still identify themselves as male and act as a male, and want their partner to love them back as a male.
However, one that has gone through Sexual Reassignment Surgery (SRS), or is a crossdresser, or a male that acts effeminate have traits associated with transexuals. Do not confuse sexual orientation with gender identity


What we are discussing:
So what are we really discussing here? Well, I thought the other thread on "Gays" did not really have a 'discussing' factor to it. The other thread was too limited to 'gays', so this thread is opening up to all LGBT (and hetero) while focusing on the a specific issue about it. This is about the discussion of phobias towards LGBT and hetereosexuals. The causes of the phobias (and maybe how it is passed on too), the stereotypes about the particular groups, the actions taken because of the phobia and possible solutions to stop the phobia (if you think it's a positive thing to stop the phobia). You can also talk in general about causes of being LGBT. However, try and stay on topic of the phobias. You can also talk about gender conformity, acceptance in society and other relating issues. Share experiences if you have to, thoughts or recent news.


The above may be updated.

Background Information and My views
I'm going to focus on biphobia. Biphobia as said is the hatred or discrimination towards bisexuals. Biphobia exists in both a group of heterosexuals because they view bisexuals as gender nonconformists, and also in a group of homosexuals because they view bisexuals as exercising certain privileges of heterosexuals and collaborating with them. In general, biphobes think bisexuality don't even exist and consider bisexuals as not making their mind up to what gender they are into. However, bisexuals usually have preference of one gender over the other so they can end up labelling themselves as gay or hetero. Stereotypes of bisexuals include unstable relationships and emotionally unsettled behavior (bipolar disorder). Because of this, they are blamed for having AIDS or other STDs because of their promiscuity behaviour. On top of that, gays tend to avoid bisexuals as dates afraid that they will leave them for a hetero partner to comform to society's standards. I think that it is quite sad that bisexuals are discriminated against by heteros and gays, usually coming from lack of understanding. I think that there are orientation as bisexuality. People need to be more open minded that someone can be attracted to both genders. Another thing I have observed is that bisexuals don't get attention like gays. Teenagers tend to view things as black and white, meaning they think you are gay, or you are hetero. I think being bisexual because of biphobia is very difficult.

Phobia by definition is an extreme fear of something. Most homophobes I know, HATE gays instead of fearing them. To call some one who hates gays a homophobe, would be like calling some one who hates black people an africanphobe. Therefore, the word it's self is often used in the wrong way.

I can understand people hating other people for their sexsual preference, but being afraid of them because of that is just stupid. Grow some balls.

Correction: Asexual means literally "no sex"
It is for organisms who do not reproduce sexually.

I honestly can't stand people who make fun of others for who they are. It is prejudice in it's finest form. Some of the coolest people I know are Homosexual/Bi. It does not make them any less of a person.

It has multiple meanings. That's why I'm stating the above definitions and saying the term can also be related sexual orientation. In this context it basically just means no desire for sex.

Hating people for these reasons alone is just down right stupid. I can't find a better word for it. Oh wait, yes I can; Ignorant.

Exactly.

Ya but likeing or wanting to have sex with some one of the same gender is just WRONG,its not natural do you see any Creature but us doing that? No!
I am a Homophobe(i use the other meaning by calling them fags and trying to kick there ass)
Ever read the bible? I dont remmber in exact words but God killed a city of gay people and the only straight guy survived or somethign like that.(This is not for the athiest illegitimate childs to reply to.)
The only reason people want to fark there same gender is because we got a complexed mind on how we can think around and about things especialy our high emotional part of the brain.But as i said IT IS NOT NATURAL!!!!!!!!!!

You typing on a computer is not natural.

Also, I've even seen 1st hand 2 male dogs getting on. I of course regret seeing it, but the point is, there are other "creatures".

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Wrong. There are animals that do have sex with the same gender. Not because they are intersted in the other species. It just happens. Nothing we can really explain.

But, this may help:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality...n_other_animals

Read that, and be amazed!

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It's people like you that should be beaten to an inch of death. I can guarantee, that you are friends with a Homosexual. You just don't know it yet. What are you going to do, kick his ass?

Besides, why are you going to allow someone's sexual preferences decide whether or not you will like them? It is none of your concern. Besides, I know plenty of gay people that are some of the coolest people I know. Why? Because they are so upbeat, and hig on life! What is wrong with that?



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Wake up and smell the roses... If god did happen to kill a city of gay people, there would have been some discovery of the homosexual city, there would have been some sort of discovery. Also, if he has done it once, why is it that there are a few cities with a high amount of homsexual's still there?

Also, can you supply me with some proof?

All I can see is a wildly blind accusation.
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Ok, brain surgeon... Please, supply proof to this as well. Who are you to talk about how the human brain works. You have a hard time formulating a sentence let alone knowing the inner workings of the human brain.


And for the record, I am Heterosexual. I just really despise people that are so ignorant and stupid when it comes to people preference's. And you ViolentJ, are a prime, if not perfect example of people I dislike.

If you look up the word "fag" in the dictionary you will find that is means a "bundle of sticks". Many people laugh about this and how homosexuals are classified as bundles of sticks. Well the term "fag" was given to bundle of sticks becuase in the old days they burned jews (or witches, etc) on the stakes with bundles of sticks, and spit on them and called them fags, thus the definition was written.

i think you are reffering to sodom and gomera... or something like that. abrahams nephew uh... his name started with an L... cant remember he was the survivor. anyway they wernt homosexual... they were just really heavy sinners taht worshiped idols and did adultery you know... the stuff that directly contradicts the 10 commandments.

I think that homosexuality is wrong and it isnt natural. animals humping the same sex... its just a deformaty or whatnot... however i do respect gays and bis and anyone without a straight orientation... although some of it is just disgusting.

It just isn't fair to segregate someone because of their sexual orientation. There is no reason to do so. It's like this:


Bill plays Baseball.
Fred plays Football (American Football).

Let's say tha majority of people like Fred and 90%+ like football.
Because of this, they begin to talk down to Bill. Soon enough, there is laws passed that will conflict with Bill's interest, that will inevitably push him aside, to where Bill has no say in it. Then, Fred and his followers begin to beat Bill metaly, and physically. Which will lead to cruel acts.

Anyway, there is no point in segregation. Just don't base your friends off of sexual orientaion, race, gender, popularity, etc... Base your friends off of the person.
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*Smacks head*

Are you really THAT ignorant?

Get out of the city. Maybe you'll learn something.

First off, we aren't "creatures". We are mammals. There are no such thing as "creatures". I also agree with the person that says people like you deserve to be killed. Just because you don't see it as a good thing, does not give you the right to say you're going to kick a homosexual's ass. They could probibly kick yours.

No. I've never read The Bible. But there was never a city of "gay people" (If you're going to try to debate, use intelligent words. It helps.) There was the city of Sodam and Gomora, where all the worst sinners were, but never a "City of gay people" Quit being so ignorant before you try to debate something.

Now to imform you what Sie already has:

Sodam and Gomora was a city of sins (Las Vegas anyone? ) where adultry, idolism, and some homosexuality roamed free. According to The Bible, God was sick and tired of this shiz so he smote them. Athiests may reply to this, you have no right to tell them otherwise. Just don't listen to them, you ignorant child.

We have intimacy with our own sex, because our brains are to complex? Wait a minute. Wouldn't that mean we wouldn't do that? Quit making stupid hypotheses such as that one. You have no proof of it, and will probibly never find any, so it's just noobish to do something like that.

And it's not natural, because religion (The end of the world) and society has deemed it un-natural. I see no problem with homosexuality, as long as they don't try to have sex me.

And you complain about Athiests being children, yet you: Act like one, talk like one, reason like one, and spell like one.

So. Quit making assumptions.

BTW. The reason I told you to get out of the city, is because if you go watch animals in the country and rural areas, you will see them doing things with the same sex. Male cows that have been castrated, hump other male cows sometimes. Male dogs hump male dogs. The list could go on and on -_-



I like how you quoted "creatures'. Quite hillarious actually.



Animals doing things with the same sex, is not a deformaty. How is it a deformaty? If it was a deformaty, they would not look normal. Learn what your words mean before you speak.

How can you respect something, but say it's disgusting? Isn't that a conflict of interest or opinion?


I agree with you. But there are ignorant, arrogent, egotistical, and retarded people in the world. Ergo, segregation.

Heh... It took me a second to find out what you were talking about: "Your whole thread before mine"

But, it's sad that people are so sheltered.

Oh well, even if there is a god and I get to meet him, I'd rather go to hell. It's nice donw there... Or so I have heard

BINGO! That describes my son's mother down to a T. I've stated in other threads that she has repeatedly ditched spending time with me and my son to chase after a female "partner." However, she also sleeps with guys too (she's a prostitute now). She is bipolar and it makes me wonder if the two usually go hand in hand. I don't know for sure and I'm not saying I do, but I have to wonder. Incase you haven't heard me speak of this before, don't worry about my boy. I managed to get full custudy from her so her drugs/sexual behavior won't harm him.

But I'll be honest, I dislike bi's WAAAAAY more than gays. I will admit my discrimination here and now on that subject.

ok well first of all do not make me sound stupid for speaking my opinion. that is just immature.

i mean a deformaty of the brain.

what the hell are you talking about you cant respect something if you think its disgusting?

Aww, it's sad to see that happened to you and your son. I'm glad to know that you got full custody of your son. I guess she fits into the stereotype then, it's kind of depressing to see bisexuals (or gays) associated with this kind of behaviour. However in the end, some people fit in the stereotype and some don't. Also, thank you for being honest for your discrimination of LGBTs (I respect that) because if no one happens to dislike LGBT people, then the course of this discussion cannot be continued because we will just happen to agree with each other. Of course I don't expect to alter your views on LGBT (and really I don't see a reason to), but I would just like to know why you dislike LGBTs. Probably it's already obvious from the unfortunate event happening to your family, but don't you think your ex-wife could be the exception to a rule?



I have to admit that homosexuality is not what animals (that have a female and a male) are designed for.. You can consider it a genetic defect, since it is not nature's design. However, it does exist in nature. One interesting thing about homosexuality is that because a homosexual pair cannot have offsprings so according to Darwin's theory of evolution the gay gene should be eliminated from the gene pool through a period of time. However, many non-adaptive traits still exist in the human population in large numbers (such as ones that will be especially vulnerable to fatal diseases) so I guess non-hetereosexual orientation has to be a natural mutation that occurs.

Yes but you are ruling out the people who actually choose to be gay. the culture of today might add to the homosexual want.

Yeah, I would like to hope she's the exception and not the rule. But I really haven't meant too many people like her, but the ones I have met I really don't like (note: we were never married). When I was younger, I would've said I didn't mind people who live that way, because I would've been trying to keep an open mind. But now I realize there's a lot of discrimination created by bad experiences with certain types of people. Some of it is learned from parents, some of it is "picked up" from life experience. I'll bet money that alot of you will grow up to have a serious problem with a certain group of people that you don't currently dislike.

I knew an open minded guy when I was a teen, but then he got his house robbed by black people and he got beat up by one. Now he's a closet racist. He hasn't quite admitted it to himself, but I don't know if he'll ever be able to look at a black person again without assuming anything bad.

But the sad thing is, there is no resolution to this kind of thing. I can't even hear her talk without getting angry at her, so that's why I refuse to speak to her ever again. It sucks that I have to ignore a person for the rest of my life, but that's the only way to save myself from my weaknesses (but one could certainly understand why I acquired them).

Many of the gays I see over express themselves, although I don't see much gays, so this might not be an accurate statement.

Another comment I'd like to make on this subject and my son's mom: I realize that there must be people who have felt attraction for the "wrong" thing for as long as they've been sexually aware. Although I don't like the idea of it, people will do what they do because that's how they are. I just hope hope hope hope they can take care of their RESPONSIBILITES in life. Like my boy's mom for instance, for a while I was willing to tolerate her lifestyle as long as she didn't expose me or my son to it. But we would schedule time for us to meet so she could see our son and when I would get there to pick her up, she would be GONE doing drugs/strangers or whatever. She wouldn't call me first or cancel or anything, she just acted on impulse. And she did this several times! Not just once, but SEVERAL times. As I already said, I took action and it's a good thing I did cuz she's only gotten worse.

I'm jaded on the whole subject, but I understand why. But for some reason, knowing WHY you feel a certain way doesn't make the feelings go away. But being sexually different from most people doesn't give you the right to be free of the responsibilites of life. I've seen too much of that carelessness. It will take a lot of time for my opinions to have a chance to change.

Looking at your posts Screwed, I have to ask. Are you gay? Well, few things you say make you look like one...

No offense, I just wonder

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What's with these religious groups trying to 'fix' gays? It's not fixable, that's how they are. I just have alot of hate for people who discriminate for any reason.
To quote the blonde one:
"At this point I have a request for our fans. If any of you in any way hate homosexuals, people of different color, or women, please do this one favor for us - leave us the fark alone! Don't come to our shows and don't buy our records."[/center]

I grew up in a strictly right wing household for the first 11 and a half years of my life.

i moved to an extremely left wing household and now 2 years later i have a much more open mind, but the way religion (yes, right wing christian household) has said things, constantly saying how bad gays are, and many other things that i have discovered horrified, are lies. I dont know if any of you have ever had the feeling of realising that everything you have been taught, you beleived in, even the way you were wired to think was wrong. That has put a massive weight on my shoulders, something which is difficult to handle. (along with the usual discriminations an average 14 year old geek receives from his old school chums.)

i once saw a sign on the side of the road saying: "when gays die god laughs." I have no idea how they found out what god thinks, but it doesnt sound like something god would say while sober.

Gays still scare me. really they do. i have met several gays on battle.net whom revealed thier sexual 'orientation' to late for me to push them away, so i have had to spend time with them, and i am coming to realise that they are people to, with opinions hates likes and wants just like any other... human. i also now beleive woman are being dressed up with worse stereo types then gays... but thats for another thread.


we have to respect everyones opinion. even those who seem to have the intelligence of a steamed dim sim. because of the way they think, we can think differently, the way we want to think. imagine if everyone was accepted, and every one thought the same way. i know weve all heard it before on playschool 'Everyone is different, be nice to other people...' (funny how the people who say that on kiddy shows conform..... therefore doing the exact opposite of what they just preached.)

Life wasnt ment to be like this. humans are animals. were not ment to be couped up in a box stuck working with media constantly pushing your buttons and cars honking and pollution. The world wasnt ment to be like this. it does things to people.



P.S. There was sodom and gomorah and whats his names wife turned around to watch them being incinerated and was turned into a pillar of salt. (were eatin dinner tonight) No where in the bible does it say anything against gays. One passage several people beleived that it said god would punish the gays, but after alot of research, it turn otu that was talking about pedophiles. (theres ANOTHER subject.)