Report, edit, etc...Posted by Dr.Shotgun on 2005-11-30 at 17:20:31
No.
That was a response to the topic title.
That was a response to the topic title.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-11-30 at 18:07:24
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Nov 30 2005, 05:12 PM)
No, it's not like taking your body. Since a clone would think identically to you, it'd be more or less like Identical Twins. Though I can really only see cloning being used to reincarnate someone when they die, in that case it would be indifferent from being born again.
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A clone wouldn't think identically.
The way people think is molded on how they are brought up, not their genetics. So the clone would be a physical replica of you, but mentally, it could be totally different from you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-11-30 at 19:26:07
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ok think of this. why do you think that there is desease? for humans to die. why humans need to die? so they dont overpopulate the earth. increasing immunities and cures will lead to a huge boom in the human population. our earth is on the verge of death.
no one likes to see another human suffer(if you do you are a sadistic illegitimate child) but i think that the human gene pool as well as plants and animals should be left untouched. screwing around with our own genetics can have huge impacts good or bad.
If the plauge did not wipe out europe what do you think earths population would be now? some people say cloning and stem cell is helping humanity i say its destroying it.
there is no stopping it however. when the need comes the millitary would want to clone super soldiers. the perfect soldier with no emotions and that obeys all orders. they can be produced fast and in great numbers. on starwars they look cool but on our own soil it doesnt seem so good.
no one likes to see another human suffer(if you do you are a sadistic illegitimate child) but i think that the human gene pool as well as plants and animals should be left untouched. screwing around with our own genetics can have huge impacts good or bad.
If the plauge did not wipe out europe what do you think earths population would be now? some people say cloning and stem cell is helping humanity i say its destroying it.
there is no stopping it however. when the need comes the millitary would want to clone super soldiers. the perfect soldier with no emotions and that obeys all orders. they can be produced fast and in great numbers. on starwars they look cool but on our own soil it doesnt seem so good.
By that reasoning you should be living outside without the aid of technology, shelter or even fire. Why? Because obviously cold temperatures, malnutrition and pneumonia were made to kill humans as well.
What do you think Earth's population would be now if we never used or built shelters?
um... i didnt say anything about living without technology.... i said that tampering with the human genepool will have negative consequences.
cloning will eventually get out of hand like stem cell research. the government now doesnt consider an unborn fetus a human being. there is a case of this in hawaii where a pregnant woman smoked ice(meth) about 2 months before carrage. it killed the fetus. this was about 10 years ago. now all charges of man slaughter has been dropped.
this is the same princible about cloning. we will clone people that are not considered to be "humans" kill them and take the organs and blood. would you consider this a crime or a neccessity?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-11-30 at 19:29:51
I wouldn't if they're brain dead.
And Snake, the Nurture v Nature debate is not solved yet, so you cannot say that.
ADDITION:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurture_versus_nature
And Snake, the Nurture v Nature debate is not solved yet, so you cannot say that.
ADDITION:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurture_versus_nature
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-12-01 at 00:15:45
There will be so many laws limiting cloning, that it'll be insane. The world just isn't ready for cloning yet.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Slayer_dt_ on 2005-12-01 at 10:24:27
Try thinking of it as a way to live on forever
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2005-12-01 at 15:17:08
QUOTE(Moosephon @ Nov 29 2005, 11:02 PM)
It's not playing God, it's conforming to God. He made free will for a reason, and if he needed too he could put limits on our understanding so we COULDN'T do this.
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I disagree. Obviously we have free will or else we're like puppets on a string and there's no reason for life. We eventually learn from everything bad that has happened. That's why History is taught in school. Cloning in the wrong hands could lead to very dangerous things, it's better off we live in a world without it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-12-01 at 15:51:07
What happens when a nation starts cloning humans for war?
We don't need any more people on this Earth, it's crowded enough.
We don't need any more people on this Earth, it's crowded enough.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-01 at 19:04:06
That's the problem. The first people to take advantage of ANY new technology is the military.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-12-01 at 20:38:45
Suicide bombers sure would suck.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-12-03 at 21:37:12
Think about it. It would take at least sixteen years to actually get these clones battleready. They dont grow very fast, and if they do grow very fast, they also die very fast.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-12-03 at 22:03:10
If you have the resources to create a clone army, you don't need suicide bombers.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-04 at 00:45:18
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Think about it. It would take at least sixteen years to actually get these clones battleready. They dont grow very fast, and if they do grow very fast, they also die very fast.
not really they can speed up the growth process of a human once we get into more advanced clone engineering. also we can make them stronger then normal humans having less feel of pain and such.
thats the basics of a super soldier
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-04 at 01:45:18
Didn't anyone see The Island? Cloning is a highly dangerous technology that should not be taken lightly, just like articifical intelligence.
While he may not deserve the criticizm in full, I think it is diligent to try to prevent the cloning of humans. The cloning of a live human would be an extremely dangerous step towards many uncertain and perilous futures.
While he may not deserve the criticizm in full, I think it is diligent to try to prevent the cloning of humans. The cloning of a live human would be an extremely dangerous step towards many uncertain and perilous futures.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Do-0dan on 2005-12-04 at 01:49:12
yea, it gives a whole new meaning to "identity theft"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FatalException on 2005-12-04 at 02:00:27
I'm a little bit confused on this topic, I'm kind of in the middle. On one side, there's the part where we could have unstoppable numbers in the millitary, but then there's the over population problem. Then there's the health aspect. On one side, there will always be someone who will take the wrong amount or the wrong kind of medicine for something, so therefore we will need to research and find a cure for the varieties we have now, but on the other hand, the testing is inhumane.
Also, if you clone a person, then you will have a close, if not exact, replica of what you cloned, but the mental aspect will be different, like so many other people have said. Our brains start to work in the way that they do to compensate for the different problems they may encounter. In my opinion, the only way to get an perfect mental replica is to perfectly replicate the life of the original person.
And yes, MiniMoose, we are going to clone you so we get a better administrator.
Also, if you clone a person, then you will have a close, if not exact, replica of what you cloned, but the mental aspect will be different, like so many other people have said. Our brains start to work in the way that they do to compensate for the different problems they may encounter. In my opinion, the only way to get an perfect mental replica is to perfectly replicate the life of the original person.
And yes, MiniMoose, we are going to clone you so we get a better administrator.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-04 at 13:15:31
Another possibly horrificness from cloning: People go to "baby stores" and custom-order their baby to be, say, 6 feet tall with high intelligence and blue eyes. Takes all the fun out of raising a child.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-04 at 22:56:34
lol.... fun in raising a child 
anyway i am 100% against cloning because later on when the technology progressses we will be farming humans for organs and blood like i said before. this is where degeneration of humanity comes in. we now consider unborn fetuses non human. what would be differnt about braindead people?
sickness and suffering will never be wiped out. even if we do find a cure for aids and hiv another one will pop up. possibly from clones.
anyway i am 100% against cloning because later on when the technology progressses we will be farming humans for organs and blood like i said before. this is where degeneration of humanity comes in. we now consider unborn fetuses non human. what would be differnt about braindead people?
sickness and suffering will never be wiped out. even if we do find a cure for aids and hiv another one will pop up. possibly from clones.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2005-12-06 at 06:57:13
There is a difference between growing fully grown humans and then killing them for their organs and growing a shell that would never become a human and then using that to cure AIDS.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-06 at 08:29:36
Or, you could grow shells for their organs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-06 at 18:16:43
yeah but its still parts of humans. differnt people have a differnt definition of what it takes to become a human.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2005-12-06 at 21:29:54
My definition of a Human is intelligence. I don't consider brain-dead people Humans, i consider them shells.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-07 at 00:51:53
Or you could grow sentient humans, hide them in the middle of Arizona, claim they're never concious, and farm their organs. Like I said, anybody seen The Island?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2005-12-07 at 17:56:46
A clone should only be made so that they will be able to live their own lives, not be consantly seen as the clone of another person. But then there's really no point to cloning someone.
Unless you are using the clone to replace or help the cloned person, but that's a different reason to clone someone.
Unless you are using the clone to replace or help the cloned person, but that's a different reason to clone someone.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-07 at 21:23:01
actually we could use clones to render the abnormality of humans ex. Einstein had a bigger part of his brain in which gave him a bigger perception of things enabling him to think outside of the box. we could clone einstein and by his genetics he would probolly have that same part as big. but why do that when we can just make our own super brain human?