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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2005-12-14 at 14:47:53
QUOTE(SirhcTheForbidden @ Dec 14 2005, 08:36 AM)
Racists...
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No.


In my opinion, there are no particularly effective ways to keep people from coming here. They have ground patrols, helicopters, checkpoints, satellites, motion sensors, tracking dogs, etc. All that stuff and many of them still get in. A wall/series of walls spanning the U.S.-Mexican border isn't really plausible.

As for people who come here illegally and refuse to learn English, don't pay taxes, and other things, here's an idea: Refuse them service. Refuse them medical treatment, benefits, rights, anything else that would be considered a service or right of a U.S. citizen.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-14 at 21:50:31
QUOTE(Arbitrary @ Dec 14 2005, 11:47 AM)
No.
In my opinion, there are no particularly effective ways to keep people from coming here. They have ground patrols, helicopters, checkpoints, satellites, motion sensors, tracking dogs, etc. All that stuff and many of them still get in. A wall/series of walls spanning the U.S.-Mexican border isn't really plausible.

As for people who come here illegally and refuse to learn English, don't pay taxes, and other things, here's an idea: Refuse them service. Refuse them medical treatment, benefits, rights, anything else that would be considered a service or right of a U.S. citizen.
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Good idea, but there still isn't enough MEN to monitor all the equipment we got to protect ze border.

also the idea about refusing them service, be warned...the person above your post will again call you a bigger racist for it. w00t.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-14 at 22:09:53
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As for people who come here illegally and refuse to learn English, don't pay taxes, and other things, here's an idea: Refuse them service. Refuse them medical treatment, benefits, rights, anything else that would be considered a service or right of a U.S. citizen.


That's probably the best thing. I know we can't just chuck them out right now because our economy depends on cheap illegal labor, but seriously; do we have to give them driver's liscences and the right to vote?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2005-12-14 at 22:20:30
What about healthcare?

It's not cheap and it can't be refused. I doubt these immigrants could support themselves with insurance; healthcare's costs have gone up dramatically because of this problem (and others, but this is one of the reasons).

Eventually, this could lead to economic collapse as either hospitals are insurance companies will go out of business.

Of course, all of this is just the worst case scenario, it's still possible.

http://immigration.about.com/cs/economicsl...lthCCosts_2.htm
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-12-14 at 22:33:50
I'd rather have tons of asians in my city than tons of mexicans.
Sure that might be mean, but in my city, most mexicans in my school smoke pot and listen to rap and do bad in school...
Now then, for the asians...
Maybe one or two of them...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-15 at 00:41:23
We have to come up with a method of removing illegals rapidly, like smoking out a bee hive.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-16 at 02:56:57
The problem is many companies rely on hiring illegals to work for things like $2.10 an hour.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-12-17 at 20:51:14
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Dec 14 2005, 01:23 AM)
Then of coure there's Maine, the most heavily white state in America happy.gif.  Just for contrast.
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Man, I should move there. happy.gif


QUOTE(SirhcTheForbidden @ Dec 14 2005, 08:36 AM)
Racists...
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I'm not racist. I hate all minorities equally!


QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Dec 14 2005, 09:50 PM)
Good idea, but there still isn't enough MEN to monitor all the equipment we got to protect ze border.

also the idea about refusing them service, be warned...the person above your post will again call you a bigger racist for it.  w00t.gif
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Now that's a plan!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by UN-Rommel on 2005-12-18 at 03:07:42
This can be enterpereted in 2 ways. If immigrants are taking over, then most jobs to normal citizens will be lost, people will become more racist and turn to violence, and we might have segregation. But the fact is, we are all immigrants. We all come from a different part of the world. You could be from america but be full hearted german like me or like a quarter british. This is kind of a 50/50 question
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-18 at 13:26:56
"we" speak English.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KrAzY on 2005-12-18 at 13:44:52
Somewhat so, most of them doesn't speak english properly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-19 at 03:14:34
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Somewhat so, most of them doesn't speak english properly.


LOL

i dunno if you meant to do that by purpose but it was funny...

anyway it was the mexicans land in the first place!!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-19 at 03:35:38
No, it wasn't. What made that crazy idea get into your head?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-19 at 04:10:01
yes it was... the spanish/mexicans had the land of california texas and several other states in the american southwest. many of them were native.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2005-12-19 at 14:40:02
The Spanish and subsequently Mexican inhabitants were indeed living in the western areas (Texas, California, etc.) prior to U.S. settlement of the areas, but then we pretty much took the land from them. There was the whole Mexican-American War thing; we pushed straight to Mexico City, captured it, forced them to cede California, which then became a "free" state (i.e. free of slavery) in 1849. This was at the outset of the gold rush, and it also furthered tensions between the free and slave states, since prior to the admittance of California, the North and South were deadlocked in the U.S. Senate (15 to 15).

Texas is a whole different story, but anyway, you can't just ignore 40+ years of history, especially when it was part of the buildup to the American Civil War.

History lesson aside, this is a whole nation now, with borders, and they're still coming here illegally.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Caboose on 2005-12-19 at 14:44:41
I have really no problem coming here, but they should come here legally and learn the language at least..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2005-12-19 at 14:56:19
Uhh Sie... We TOOK their land... It's in our possesion now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-19 at 21:46:35
History lessons not aside, there were no Mexicans here before 1500. They have no "we were here first" claim. They stole it, we stole it again.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2005-12-19 at 21:56:37
It was more of a debate on a technicality, considering you came off as claiming that the Mexicans were never in control of the land at any point.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2005-12-20 at 01:18:58
Yeah sure Mexicans are everywhere and some people discriminate them because they're cutting our bushes and mowing our lawns and washing our cars but they chose those jobs and they chose to come to America. This is basically the same thing as when European immigrants came to America because it was the "freeland" and "land of oppurtunity." They were discriminated almost as much as Mexicans are. I dont mind them that much as long as they dont EXCEED hispanic population and start causing problems. They came to America just like any other Canadian, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Afghanastani, Iraqi, French, German, Finish, English, Polish, Icelandic, Malaysian, etc. immigrant that ever set foot on America... Why are they in the spotlight now? There's not difference!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-20 at 12:24:02
Yea there is, most European immigrants came legally. With south american immigrants most come illegally.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-20 at 14:14:27
dont you mean central american?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2005-12-20 at 15:11:18
Ok well go with your way.. KILL ALL THE illegal immgrant and let the rest live... Or the minute men could lay claymore mines all along the border... that should put a little dent in the hispanic pop. dont u think? smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2005-12-20 at 18:29:30
claymore? thats remote detenation... you mean land mines?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2005-12-20 at 20:54:55
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They came to America just like any other Canadian, Korean, Chinese, Japanese, Afghanastani, Iraqi, French, German, Finish, English, Polish, Icelandic, Malaysian, etc. immigrant that ever set foot on America... Why are they in the spotlight now? There's not difference!


They listed above came legally and learned English too.
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