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You guys keep talking about going there for oil. Well ok where is the oil then? tick tock tick tock beeeppp. There is none, gas prices are still going up. There is just as much proof that we went in for WMDs as there is for going in for oil.

Case closed.

what the hell are you talking about? gas prices are going up because we have screwed with the middle east. they are one of the highest producers of oil

Its much cheaper to buy oil than it is to invade a country and spend billions of dollars on weapons and rebuilding a nation just to get the oil. Saying we are only going for oil is an idiotic thing to say.

You can get a high paying job (with proper training, of course) to go to Iraq and work for Haliburton to help mine for oil. There IS oil out there. Gas prices are rising and taxes are lowering because Bush and Cheney would rather have america's money for themselves rather than spend it on the things the country needs. Bush has even said (in response to a tax raising question to help pay for the hurricane damage) that he will not raise taxes because he believes America has payed enough in high gas prices. I saw him say that on TV and I was waiting for that trademark cocky smirk of his after he said that.

But here is one thing you CAN NOT deny, no matter which side of the fence you're on: As Bush's approval ratings sank, so did the gas prices, and vice versa. If I were a working class Bush supporter, I would tell anyone conducting a survey that I hate the man, just to help lower the gas prices heheheh.

But if we went for oil, we'd be reaping the benifits, not suffering like the rest of the lot.

One reason the prices of gas are high[er] than before is because of Katrina. There are too few refineries in the US, that if one gets destroyed, then the whole country gets prices raised 1~2 dollars.

Maybe so when comparing the down payment, but in the long run, a surplus in such a valuable resource, a resource which only increases in value as time passes, is without a doubt a powerful economic advantage. Say the entire war WAS for oil, and we gain control of Iraq's oil supply. There are still other major contenders, such as Saudia Arabia, but we are now higher on the food chain. Billions are saved on importing, and if there is a surplus in the U.S. we have a commodity which can be sold to other countries at prices which produce profits far greater than the original cost. And like I said, the price is only going to go up as time passes, unless technology finds an entirely new power source within the century or so. *shrug*

Speaking from a purely economical standpoint, the war on Iraq = profitable.


Speaking from my own perspective = worthless. We've suceeded in removing a tyrant from office, but by forcing upon them our own system of government, aren't we being somewhat tyrannical? Who's to say a democratic-republic is the best form of government for these people? Polls say that most Iraqi citizens want a democracy though, so that isn't too big of an issue. Then again, they are just polls.



Also, the one guy, explain to me how our gas prices are rising, other than the usual inflation associated with oil? If I remember right, I believe gas in asian areas equal out to about 5 u.s. dollars a gallon. And here are our citizens biznatching about our $3.12. Which is now down to less than 2$ a gallon.

Where I am, it's about $2.5

Your post confuses me.

Could you rephrase that?

we didnt go into the war to reduce the price of oil we went into it to raise it. now that the middle east isnt supplying us with as much we have to depend on the oil fields in texas(think bush's family) and alaska

Chris... once again you are wrong. The intelligence was wrong, bush hates saddam, bush has stocks in an oil company. 2 and 2 go together. Ever watch Fahrenheight 9/11? Though he was a bit biased he had some good points. Bush figured he would get oil from Iraq since it had alot of oil. Yes we aren't recieving the benefits but you know, rome wasn't built in a day. It takes time to get oil from iraq even without the insurgents... prices raise which benefits bush, then when they fall because we are getting oil, we praise him. Guess his plan didn't go the way it was supposed to.

If you support him so much, how do you feel about his admitting that he authorized the NSA to spy on Americans!? Don't even say "Well I would rather have security over constitutional rights." Its Andrew Jackson all over again, trampling over our rights and putting people who agree with him in the supreme court and in his own cabinet.

BTW kow, we didn't go to iraq to fight for OUR freedom, so that freedom isn't free thing doesn't go for us.

Remember kids:

O peration
I raqi
L iberation

How am I wrong? You didn't prove anything

Its been years my fellow debater, YEARS. My dad's business has sky rocketed since Iraq, and he is in the communication business, OMG THERES A CONNECTION BETWEEN MY DAD'S COMPANY AND IRAQ!!!111

I don't care that Im being spied on by the Army, jsut don't get caught listening to crappy music! Just think, would you rather be alive becuase of the act or dead becuase our government didn't have the balls/will to do the things that are necessary to keep us alive. Euro you...just...don't....get....it, you would risk another 2,000+ deaths becuase of a peice of paper that every one likes to fight over?

Its not worth it....

Also, please show me where the "Right to privacy" is in the constitution.

Right here:


There's a whole new issue about privacy too, I'll make a thread about it tomorrow.

Thank you for showing me it. I bet now there is a whole debate about whats unreasonable and reasonable.

I can see how ignorant my last post was so Im admitting it now, but my true bare and bones thesis is still the same.

Sacrificing 2,000+ people for a piece of paper that could have been saved with this act is not worth it.

The military could have backed out at any time before they went to iraq. They chose to go but didn't think this was an outcome. Bush is doing this completely wrong but what would you expect from a man who flunked high school (shocking lol) He only won the election because the electoral college decider people whatever you call em) were republican and didn't care if bush was idiotic. This country is going to heck in a hand bag but thats just my opinion. People can have their own opinion, but you got to face facts when something is the truth.

mmm you need to learn more about elections and politics....

Bush's victory was not legit, methinks.

I remeber a quote from TIME, I can't recall the exact quote or issue, so don't ask me, this is mainly on my word, that the U.S would not pull out until it got a deal from the Iraqi government involving power and oil sharing.

Also, with a new Iraqi government, Iraq may be more willing to sell oil to the U.S. Previously, it was all going to Russia, France, and China.

wouldnt you say that the election is one of the results that came out of the whole thing. Well one good result... And hopefully, there would be better effects. Although these are happening, people are dying out there. our soldiers are doing things they shouldnt be doing...

Time also ran an article about US soldiers flushing Korans down toilets.... Which caused rioting in Aphganistan in which 8 people died. The story turned out to be false. Way to go Time.

Makes them look really bad. It wasnt their fault. They were looking for another thing to grasp especially some bad things from the military.

Ignorant people don't like being told that their ignorant. When you complain about it, subconsciously they realize "oh crap, he's right, I have been brainwashed by the media to be complicit in our county's imperialistic occupation", and then they lash out at you because they realize that they've been so damn stupid and haven't realized it before. [/flamebait]
The trick is to make then slowly realize the truth through education. You need to teach them to attempt to find out things and form opinions for themselves, instead of just accepting the "facts" that the media provides for them.

It wasn't their fault for running that article? right.......

chris go to worldcantwait.org ... they would own you in a debate. Bush was selected no elected. Millions of people don't want him in office (or you at sen)

How is it not worth it? Tell that to our forefathers who fought for their freedom, for that little piece of paper! If they were alive today they would flat-out slap your ass till you cried home to mama! Well you know what? Not defending your rights or the constitution is un-american. Not disagreeing with the war, but not defending your most basic rights.

Heres a little quote from theodore roosevelt:
"Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. It is patriotic to support him insofar as he efficiently serves the country. It is unpatriotic not to oppose him to the exact extent that by inefficiency or otherwise he fails in his duty to stand by the country. In either event, it is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else."

Indeed, the Supreme Court actually appointed him President after the Florida recount.

So you would let 2,000 SEN people die (which you could have prevented) becuase you didn't pass an act which would have let you find out about the attack before hand, all for a piece of paper. Also, if you are spied upon by our government then obviously they spying on you is for a good reason becuase of possible tips so its not unreasonable in most cases.

The government wouldn't spy on you individually with out a good reason, you are one of 200,000,000+ people in the US.