Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-12-28 at 18:07:23
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Okay, what about this example. I dont know what the city was but it starts like this: a city filled with pedofiles, molesters, rapists, beaters, animals farkers, murders, you name it, it wall all there. there was a family that was good and was't like that. god told them to get otu of the city and then god turned all the city into salt (i think. he "removed" everyone in the city though). the family was all right though cause they were out. god says, "you have to have sex with your daugters and make them pregant in order to keep up the human population". why wouldn't god just give him a wife instead of him having to impregnate his daughters? he took everyone away, but he cant create one woman? this doesn't make sense to me.
Is that directly out of the Bible? I bet that's a parable...
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We have the knowlage of humans though. basically what a lot of you are saying is that Gods treats us like animals, which he shouldn't because he made us "better" then the other animals by giving us free will.
This requires some thinking... Let's see... I KNOW something's wrong there. Define "treats like animals" In when in my example did a human treat an animal like "an animal"? And plus, what IS the knowledge of humans? Is it the supreme knowledge that makes whatever it says true?
You think that we treating animals like "animals" is wrong. God created humans. Humans did not create animals. Which brings us back to...
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Let's say you created a sculpture. Is it a crime to destroy that sculpture?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-12-28 at 18:27:29
You don't need a God to let you be able to choose things for yourself.
Also, God doesn't treat us like animals. It's just that he's full of apathy; doesn't care. And why should he? He's got no reason to care at all. He's been working his ass off for thousands years for no pay. Who is he going to show his masterpeice called Earth to? Another God? Please.
Also, God doesn't treat us like animals. It's just that he's full of apathy; doesn't care. And why should he? He's got no reason to care at all. He's been working his ass off for thousands years for no pay. Who is he going to show his masterpeice called Earth to? Another God? Please.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-28 at 18:28:33
It was the story of Soddam & Gamora.
Soddam's wife turned around, and was turned to stone/salt (Dont' remember which one) so that is why he had to do that with his daughters (is my guess)
God told Soddam & Gamora to flee the city, because he would bombard it with "fire from the sky" (or something like that) When they did, he told them NOT TO LOOK BACK, or they would be turned into stone/salt (I don't remember) They fled, and they told their children to go ahead. Gamora turned around; Thus, causing her to turn to stone/salt (I think it's stone because Soddam reached over and felt her and she was stone cold) so he just left her and continued on.
Soddam's wife turned around, and was turned to stone/salt (Dont' remember which one) so that is why he had to do that with his daughters (is my guess)
God told Soddam & Gamora to flee the city, because he would bombard it with "fire from the sky" (or something like that) When they did, he told them NOT TO LOOK BACK, or they would be turned into stone/salt (I don't remember) They fled, and they told their children to go ahead. Gamora turned around; Thus, causing her to turn to stone/salt (I think it's stone because Soddam reached over and felt her and she was stone cold) so he just left her and continued on.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2005-12-28 at 18:46:31
It's salt.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-12-28 at 19:01:53
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Also, God doesn't treat us like animals. It's just that he's full of apathy; doesn't care. And why should he? He's got no reason to care at all. He's been working his ass off for thousands years for no pay. Who is he going to show his masterpeice called Earth to? Another God? Please.
Your post had no point to it. Thx for saying you hate God. Like calling a fat kid fat. No point.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-28 at 19:24:25
Neiji. Just quit. Quit before you hurt yourself.
NO WHERE does he say he hates god. So why the fark do you make lame ass assumptions?
You're the worst debator in this whole forum. Just stfu and leave.
You never present arguements that are plausible, you always twist replies around (Just like you did with that one) to make it say what you want it to, and you never provide evidence of your claims.
HELL! STARS is a better debator than you, and his debates are full of fallacies!
Now. This thread should be closed because it's just one massive flame fest.
NO WHERE does he say he hates god. So why the fark do you make lame ass assumptions?
You're the worst debator in this whole forum. Just stfu and leave.
You never present arguements that are plausible, you always twist replies around (Just like you did with that one) to make it say what you want it to, and you never provide evidence of your claims.
HELL! STARS is a better debator than you, and his debates are full of fallacies!
Now. This thread should be closed because it's just one massive flame fest.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2005-12-28 at 19:36:40
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Also, God doesn't treat us like animals. It's just that he's full of apathy; doesn't care. And why should he? He's got no reason to care at all. He's been working his ass off for thousands years for no pay. Who is he going to show his masterpeice called Earth to? Another God? Please.
I agree, Hallelujah! Praise the Lord!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ... on 2005-12-28 at 19:40:30
The King James Version is translated from Hebrew/Greek bible. The most accurate bible is the orginal one.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tmac on 2005-12-28 at 23:38:11
God has a plan for everyboody but not everybody takes the plan.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-28 at 23:50:11
Whatever happens to the person, is what God had planned out -_-
There is no choice if they take their "plan" or not
There is no choice if they take their "plan" or not
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2005-12-29 at 14:23:00
Gosh.. Religion is faith notscience. Stop trying to apply science to religion. It will never work. Just stop trying to nuke the christian belief.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2005-12-29 at 17:52:24
I don't hate god (you can't hate a nonexistant being.)
Neiji, i entirely agree with kelli, you are a horrible debator. You twist replies, come up with horrid examples which sometimes have no meaning at all. (except to you) and your basicly holding your eyes and ears shut to anything that remotely says god does not exist.
I mean I don't understand how christ dying on a cross saved us... what about the other people on the cross next to him. I agree with the romans, you come here saying you speak to god, your gods son, or that your ARE god, and i would call you a luny. Turning water into wine... parlor tricks.... any magician worth his salt could do that. That make them sons of god? BTW now that i think of it, you once used the example of gods miracles by asking me "if someonesat in a fire for 3 minutes and walked out unscathed, would it be not by gods will?" Now that i think about it, ya it would be. But too bad its never happened. Nor is their and evidence of heaven, hell, god, satan, or any of that bogus shiz.
I disagree, hallelujah! fark the lord!
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Neiji, i entirely agree with kelli, you are a horrible debator. You twist replies, come up with horrid examples which sometimes have no meaning at all. (except to you) and your basicly holding your eyes and ears shut to anything that remotely says god does not exist.
I mean I don't understand how christ dying on a cross saved us... what about the other people on the cross next to him. I agree with the romans, you come here saying you speak to god, your gods son, or that your ARE god, and i would call you a luny. Turning water into wine... parlor tricks.... any magician worth his salt could do that. That make them sons of god? BTW now that i think of it, you once used the example of gods miracles by asking me "if someonesat in a fire for 3 minutes and walked out unscathed, would it be not by gods will?" Now that i think about it, ya it would be. But too bad its never happened. Nor is their and evidence of heaven, hell, god, satan, or any of that bogus shiz.
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I agree, Hallelujah! Praise the Lord!
I disagree, hallelujah! fark the lord!
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2005-12-29 at 18:12:34
QUOTE(Euro @ Dec 29 2005, 05:52 PM)
I disagree, hallelujah! fark the lord!
+1
QUOTE(procuress @ Dec 29 2005, 02:23 PM)
Gosh.. Religion is faith notscience. Stop trying to apply science to religion. It will never work. Just stop trying to nuke the christian belief.
What are you talking about? All the religious nutcases try to apply religion to science. There are foundations dedicated to "proving" that dinosaurs and humans coexisted in the same time period, and they have museums with fake skeletons to "convince" people of some magic truth in their words. The sad part is people believe it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Kirbycode774 on 2005-12-29 at 20:56:40
You have no idea how much i'm laughing now.... have any of you even looked in the Bible? I know CheeZe is probably going to be the next person to reply to this to try to "break my argument" anyways so this would be pointless.. but I'm laughing too much to care.
But in all seriousness, this is probably one of the easiest questions I'd ever had to deal with in the Battle of the crazies.
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*God looks at his blueprints for a building he is working on.*
God: Ah yes! This will be my greatest accomplishment ever!
Gabriel: Umm... God... Two steel bars left the foundation and are making out again.
God: AGH NOT AGAIN! *relents* darned free will... well let's try to bring them back on track. It would be a shame if we can't have them in my glorious building... Oh well. For the time being, we'll need to manuever these bars here and the cardboard over there to compensate. Despite any setback, this building will be completed!
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The blueprints are the plan God has.
The steel bars and cardboard and anything else needed to create the building are people.
Of course, people have free will (as noted in the story). Just because God, your parents, or anyone has a plan what you're going to be when you grow up, doesn't mean you're going to obey it. Despite this, God will finish his plan one way or another through what he's got. Heck, his completed structure may look a lot like what a Jenga tower looks like near the end of the game. In any case, he will fully complete his plan.
And now, of course, CheeZe will be the one to reply to me and remove my hope of someone more lacking in reasoning to question it.
QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ Dec 27 2005, 11:13 AM)
As we know, Christianity says God has a plan for everyone.
It also states that God has given us free will.
This contridicts itself. If God has a plan for everyone then what is the point of free will? If we are gonna end up the one way God dictates no matter what, then what is the point of free will? Nothing we are doing is of free will then, it is of a predestined future in which God has created.
Oh noes! He found out that I went back in time, wrote the Bible, and used a flashlight to make the Jews think I was prophet!It also states that God has given us free will.
This contridicts itself. If God has a plan for everyone then what is the point of free will? If we are gonna end up the one way God dictates no matter what, then what is the point of free will? Nothing we are doing is of free will then, it is of a predestined future in which God has created.
But in all seriousness, this is probably one of the easiest questions I'd ever had to deal with in the Battle of the crazies.
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*God looks at his blueprints for a building he is working on.*
God: Ah yes! This will be my greatest accomplishment ever!
Gabriel: Umm... God... Two steel bars left the foundation and are making out again.
God: AGH NOT AGAIN! *relents* darned free will... well let's try to bring them back on track. It would be a shame if we can't have them in my glorious building... Oh well. For the time being, we'll need to manuever these bars here and the cardboard over there to compensate. Despite any setback, this building will be completed!
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The blueprints are the plan God has.
The steel bars and cardboard and anything else needed to create the building are people.
Of course, people have free will (as noted in the story). Just because God, your parents, or anyone has a plan what you're going to be when you grow up, doesn't mean you're going to obey it. Despite this, God will finish his plan one way or another through what he's got. Heck, his completed structure may look a lot like what a Jenga tower looks like near the end of the game. In any case, he will fully complete his plan.
And now, of course, CheeZe will be the one to reply to me and remove my hope of someone more lacking in reasoning to question it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-30 at 03:20:33
I agree with you Kirby.
To bad arrogence and ignorance fills both sides.
To bad arrogence and ignorance fills both sides.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-12-30 at 20:45:44
QUOTE(Mr.Kirbycode774 @ Dec 29 2005, 08:56 PM)
You have no idea how much i'm laughing now.... have any of you even looked in the Bible? I know CheeZe is probably going to be the next person to reply to this to try to "break my argument" anyways so this would be pointless.. but I'm laughing too much to care.
Oh noes! He found out that I went back in time, wrote the Bible, and used a flashlight to make the Jews think I was prophet!
But in all seriousness, this is probably one of the easiest questions I'd ever had to deal with in the Battle of the crazies.
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*God looks at his blueprints for a building he is working on.*
God: Ah yes! This will be my greatest accomplishment ever!
Gabriel: Umm... God... Two steel bars left the foundation and are making out again.
God: AGH NOT AGAIN! *relents* darned free will... well let's try to bring them back on track. It would be a shame if we can't have them in my glorious building... Oh well. For the time being, we'll need to manuever these bars here and the cardboard over there to compensate. Despite any setback, this building will be completed!
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The blueprints are the plan God has.
The steel bars and cardboard and anything else needed to create the building are people.
Of course, people have free will (as noted in the story). Just because God, your parents, or anyone has a plan what you're going to be when you grow up, doesn't mean you're going to obey it. Despite this, God will finish his plan one way or another through what he's got. Heck, his completed structure may look a lot like what a Jenga tower looks like near the end of the game. In any case, he will fully complete his plan.
And now, of course, CheeZe will be the one to reply to me and remove my hope of someone more lacking in reasoning to question it.
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Oh noes! He found out that I went back in time, wrote the Bible, and used a flashlight to make the Jews think I was prophet!
But in all seriousness, this is probably one of the easiest questions I'd ever had to deal with in the Battle of the crazies.
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*God looks at his blueprints for a building he is working on.*
God: Ah yes! This will be my greatest accomplishment ever!
Gabriel: Umm... God... Two steel bars left the foundation and are making out again.
God: AGH NOT AGAIN! *relents* darned free will... well let's try to bring them back on track. It would be a shame if we can't have them in my glorious building... Oh well. For the time being, we'll need to manuever these bars here and the cardboard over there to compensate. Despite any setback, this building will be completed!
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The blueprints are the plan God has.
The steel bars and cardboard and anything else needed to create the building are people.
Of course, people have free will (as noted in the story). Just because God, your parents, or anyone has a plan what you're going to be when you grow up, doesn't mean you're going to obey it. Despite this, God will finish his plan one way or another through what he's got. Heck, his completed structure may look a lot like what a Jenga tower looks like near the end of the game. In any case, he will fully complete his plan.
And now, of course, CheeZe will be the one to reply to me and remove my hope of someone more lacking in reasoning to question it.
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God can create the entire earth as well as all the life on it in 6 days, but his genius plan takes thousands of years to complete? What IS his plan? World peace? That can easily be acheived, and not in almost any way interfere with free will.
He comes down. Lays down the law. Replaces our corrupt governments with his. Which will work just like your average government, except with out corruption or evil. Making it a MAJOR improvement. And Wah-lah. Pure Utopia in less than a few days. Instead of a few thousand years.
Wait a sec! Did a mere 19 year old human come up with a better plan than God? Why I think he did.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2005-12-31 at 00:54:47
What about all the Athiests?
They will probably revolt or something, "seperation from church and state a-holes!!!"
They will probably revolt or something, "seperation from church and state a-holes!!!"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-12-31 at 01:00:44
QUOTE(Loser_Musician @ Dec 30 2005, 06:45 PM)
God can create the entire earth as well as all the life on it in 6 days, but his genius plan takes thousands of years to complete? What IS his plan? World peace? That can easily be acheived, and not in almost any way interfere with free will.
He comes down. Lays down the law. Replaces our corrupt governments with his. Which will work just like your average government, except with out corruption or evil. Making it a MAJOR improvement. And Wah-lah. Pure Utopia in less than a few days. Instead of a few thousand years.
Wait a sec! Did a mere 19 year old human come up with a better plan than God? Why I think he did.
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He comes down. Lays down the law. Replaces our corrupt governments with his. Which will work just like your average government, except with out corruption or evil. Making it a MAJOR improvement. And Wah-lah. Pure Utopia in less than a few days. Instead of a few thousand years.
Wait a sec! Did a mere 19 year old human come up with a better plan than God? Why I think he did.
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Hmm... Sounds reasonable
But maybe "he" want's us to do it on our own?
Hell! Maybe the meaning of life, is to become knowledgeable? Who knows..?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2005-12-31 at 01:13:31
QUOTE(S.T.A.R.S-Chris @ Dec 31 2005, 12:54 AM)
What about all the Athiests?
They will probably revolt or something, "seperation from church and state a-holes!!!"
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They will probably revolt or something, "seperation from church and state a-holes!!!"
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Atheists are atheist because they don't believe there's a God. If God comes down and lays down the law, there will be no reason for anyone to be atheist. So therefore: No one will revolt. Unless God turns out to be an evil tyrant. Even then, it would be hard to revolt against him because....well.....it's God we're talking here.\
But if you were being sarcastic, good joke. lol
