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(I'm not bashing Christianity or anything, just found something interesting)
I think I may have found a flaw or a little problem in the Christian religion:

As we know, Christianity says God has a plan for everyone.
It also states that God has given us free will.

This contridicts itself. If God has a plan for everyone then what is the point of free will? If we are gonna end up the one way God dictates no matter what, then what is the point of free will? Nothing we are doing is of free will then, it is of a predestined future in which God has created.

Maybe I'm wrong because when they say God has a plan for all of us they mean we are all gonna die and go to heaven or hell or whatever you want to believe. But I doubt that.

Any thoughts?

It's a mangled explanation for the existence of life from an archaic book of parables. Nothing more. "Free will" is just there to make it seem like you have any real choice. The Christian viewpoint on Heaven and Hell makes this obvious.

So they've made an obviously huge mess of their views then?
(I'm not Christian or anything lol. I'm apathetic agnostic... I dont care is God exsists or not. )

The nature of the Bible and all its intracacies is largely a teeming mass of vague interpretations and contradictions. One thing will say something and another will speak against it. In this same vein, it makes no sense that a God who is all powerful would create a world, and subsequently create a "heaven" and "hell" for two distinct classes of people (i.e. believers and non-believers), and then give them the "choice" of going to either. People speak of the miracle of life as though it makes any difference that they're alive.

We have free will, but God already knows what we'll do. It's confusing, I know.

Its not confusing, its contridicting. If God already knows what you're gonna do then he has it planned out, thus it is predestined and there is no free will.

OMG ANOTHER CONTRIDICTION!!:
Alrighty, we've all heard stories of God burning whole cities to the ground and flooding the world and killing everybody. Now I ask, what kind of omnipotent God has the "bad" emotions, such as revenage and anger, which Christianity also definaes as "bad" emotions?

just to add:
Protect God
I haven't actually been getting my stuff from that website, but its all about a guy who hates the God portrayed in the bible (as a ruthless villan). Hes saying God isn't like that portrayed in the bible, he is more loving (he still believes in God though). its just an interesting website it all

The Christian and Jewish God is a jealous god.

He is also a vengeful god, raining down smitedness and bloodshed from the skies.

Exactly. It doesn't make sense lol

Neither does the trinity. Human minds aren't supposed to be able to comprehend this stuff.

Thus making it perfect for manipulation of large groups of people.

I am completely capable of comprehending the fact that the christian religion contridicts itself. God screwed up roffle

A few other people and I pointed this same thing out a long time ago. Free will+Divine plan easily contradict one another. If one exists, the other can't. Simple as that.

There are so many flaws you can find on religion. It'll take me a few hours to remember all of them. I'm amazed on how this whole god thing is still a grey argument.

It isn't. the atheists have won lol (logically we have won). but people are entitled to believe what they want, so there are a lot of peopel who choose to believe in god, which is cool.

He already knows which decisions we are going to make. He knows how we are going to use our free will.

This topic is a perfect example of where you can't necessarily call anyone closed minded.


Btw, look at these two lines:

1) God plans out what we humans are going to do.
2) God simply knows what we humans are going to do.

The first line contradicts free will yes, since it implies God actually mingling with our actions. Free will, as we all know, is our ability to make our own actions. How could we have free will when God lays out a plan for our lives? The second line implies God seeing into the future. He does not control the future (because he chooses not to.) Whatever he sees would happen he'll just be like "oh ok," and let it happen when the time comes.

Again this is just my opinion. The Bible was indeed written a long time ago and many of these small unimportant details probably won't make any sense to people.
Oh and also, you shouldn't say this is a christian flaw. Christianity is about the teachings and morals and ideals taught by Jesus Christ and many of the prophets before him. If anything, call it a bible flaw. There's a huge difference.

So, lets say you create a sculpture. If you are going to destroy that sculpture, it's a crime?

God intended on what we should do in our lives but he doesn't add personal opinions or reactions or even the evilness inside us. We can defy what he has planned for us, but the plan he had was to come true if no opinions or possession of saitin (goths whatever idk) were to commence

Since it's so full of "Contradictions", why don't you point out EVERY SINGLE ONE to us? Hmm?



He knows what you're going to do. Free-will = Ability to decide a choice on your own.

Him knowing what you will choose, and you choosing, do not contradict themselves. He does not manipulate you into the choices you make, you do it yourself.

Thus, no contradiction.



Atheists are all about "Logic" But they're to blinded by their ego to see that their "Logic" is sometimes, flawed (About God, yes. But about the Bible, no)



It's about damn time someone points out the difference between Christianity, and The Bible.



Your example farking sucks.



This is a contradiction, how?

He didn't do it for revenge, and he didn't do it out of anger. He did it to try to start humanity over.

It's like when you make a song, and get into it, then realize that you farked up, and you wanna change it, so you redo it (You wouldn't redo the song, because you can just change the patterns and shiz, but try to get the point) That is all that he did when he burned Sadam and Gomora. That's also what he did when he flooded the earth.

Just whiping the slate clean.

Well doesn't the bible state that we as people were created in god's image?

So you can think of God as a person, and we all know what people are capable of doing (Mass killing, wars, rape, murder)

Its wrong to do many things, but I can see God having human emotions, one day he gets angry and boom there is a flash flood.

Im having a hard time describing what I thinking.

It wasn't that sudden. I think he gave Noah like 120 years notice to build the ark. I'm not sure about the number, but it was some ridiculously large number of years.

Yes, because the weather conditions were so perfect before Noah's flood. Everyone can live up to 800 years old or even more.

And there wasn't as much disease also.

That just means that we have the power to choose for ourselves...

ADDITION:

That just means that we have the power to choose for ourselves...



I didn't make that example. All I am saying is that we might see God killing us as a big thing, but to God, it's just simply removing his own creations...


And, this may be wut he is doing: Lets say you have a dog. He is in a lot of pain. If you put your dog to sleep, if he knew wut was going on, he might be thinking you are causing more misery to him. Well, how about the hunter and a bear? If a bear is caught in a trap on his foot, and the hunter wants to let the bear free, he must push the foot in to lessen the tension. As he does that, the bear feels more pain, so he thinks that the hunter is there to make him suffer. But that is not true. It is because he does not have the knowledge of a human, just like we dont have that of God.

We have the knowlage of humans though. basically what a lot of you are saying is that Gods treats us like animals, which he shouldn't because he made us "better" then the other animals by giving us free will.

also, i get the point where he knows what we're going to do. im not ignorant, i will accept that as a resonaible answer.

Okay, what about this example. I dont know what the city was but it starts like this: a city filled with pedofiles, molesters, rapists, beaters, animals farkers, murders, you name it, it wall all there. there was a family that was good and was't like that. god told them to get otu of the city and then god turned all the city into salt (i think. he "removed" everyone in the city though). the family was all right though cause they were out. god says, "you have to have sex with your daugters and make them pregant in order to keep up the human population". why wouldn't god just give him a wife instead of him having to impregnate his daughters? he took everyone away, but he cant create one woman? this doesn't make sense to me.