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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Septhiroth on 2006-01-16 at 18:17:33
Creativity can come in many asspects. Such as Happiness, Joy, Deppression. You'll never know when you'll find an idea. You can even get an Idea, by just simply doing your laundry and as well the ability of be creative is also something you should cherish in your life, as this may become useful in the later future. Creativity is also a way to express your feelings as well I think.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-17 at 04:21:00
QUOTE(Doodan @ Jan 15 2006, 04:08 PM)
The point of this topic is to debate over wether or not their various problems (most of them had quite severe problems) contributed to their creativity. Is it necessary to be in some sort of pain to be creative?
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Hmm... I guess you could say that you have to be in some sort of pain to be creative, but i'm not sure...

I've always had a vivid imagination since I was a wee little boy.. But i've noticed since i've hit high school (The summer of my 8th grade year is when I started Producing Electronic Music) when i've had my problems, is when i've been commented the most on my creations.

As stated, i've been producing Electronic Music since I was 13. Only within the past year or two have I been told my songs are actually, very good.

I started writting poems after my first gf.. I've learned that I can only write extremely good ones, in a state of severe depression, almost along the path of suicide (I'm Bi-Polar so I get to that stage almost everyday. Sometimes every two or three days) Same with my songs.

As stated in my last comment, sometimes I just have the urge to make a song, and it comes out damn good. When I don't have the urge, I usually produce a track that is "meh". I usually only consider the songs I make in my "mood" my good tracks, yet everyone insists that ALL of my songs are good....

I have just started writting the mythology for my novels. I don't know if this would be the right place to post it, but I guess i'll post it in creative, and post the link here (Tomarrow of course) Anyways, I just started writting my mythology, and I let a good chick friend of mine read it. She says she can't wait for the books. That makes me feel odd, but good at the same time.. (My self-conciousness is clashing)

Well hell.. Since i'm telling you about myself, i'll actually post why I "flame" everyone here:

QUOTE(Kellimus)
Manic Depression (Bi-Polar)
Paranoia
Partial Schizophrenia
Partial Multipul Personality Disorder
Infiriority Complex (I make fun of people to make myself feel better)
Depression
Obsessive Compulsive


Alrighty.. Now my reasons.

First off, I hate people that show idiocy. They iritate me.
Second off, Look up there on Manic Depression. That means I have mood-swings; Thus, causing me to be super happy, or super depressed
Next is Paranoia. I believe everyone on this forum is out there to get me (Which most are)
Schizophrenia.. I've only had two cases of this, and it was when I was extremely tired. I don't blame this.
Partial Multipul Personality Disorder. I know I have this. I'll be a certain way to someone, then another way to them, the very same day... It's nucking futs.
Infiriority Complex is what i'm totally going to blame. For the ignorant, this means I have to make fun of people to make myself feel good; Hence, the whities, greenies, noobie type stuff. By me doing this to all the not-so-bright ones, makes my Self-Confidence go a bit higher (Even though it still sucks ass, and deteriorates by the end of the day) for a short amount of time.
Depression speaks for itself.
Obsessive Compulsive. As you can tell, I like to repeat myself (Whitie/Greenie/Greyie/Ect...) and i'm constantly moving something on my body. I can't stop it. I have to move, or I go insain.

So yeah. I just told you all my problems. Laugh it up if you want. That's what you're probibly all going to do anyways tongue.gif

But you have to admit. At least I have the balls to admit my faults.

Anyways, I think that my Manic Depression is what makes me such a creative person. I've heard of many creative people, having Manic Depression (Bi-Polar) so I don't consider myself abinormal (Gotta love Young Frankenstein)

Enough about me, lol.

But I think that people who suffer emotionally, are more creative.

And of course, that is my opinion, and i'm entilted to it. So don't create the infamous Ad Hominem and attack me, but attack my arguement. Which is my opinion biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HorroR on 2006-01-17 at 16:24:29
I'm not out to get you smile.gif

And I think creativity stimulates individuality. I have great creativity, but sadly I don't use it as much now mellow.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-01-17 at 17:10:18
i think pain stimulates creativity :0 when you are suffering from a chronic illness you tend to look at the world differntly and think of differnt things thus creativity itself.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by guardien on 2006-01-17 at 19:20:21
Creativity is just another way around your problems. And I guess that thrend continues and the creativity diverts to other things. Many have had it.

I have a relitively creative mind. Although I only suffer from a kind of anti-sociallism, and I also think of the scarist things sometimes, that I can't sleep. (Hence the poems and the starting darkness in the start of my stories.) My mind also seems to have taken a certain flaw from my mom, because sometimes we just don't understand something that for our intelligence of always been having high grades in school (85-95), I've had that mental problem ever since I was born.

But you don't need to have such a problem to be that way. I have a big head, and I can just blame it on that. Although it is somewhat remarkable that so many creative people have had problems, body and mind. It could be a simple "coincidence", but it is not a real, proven, and strong fact for the cause of creativity.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Detestable_Evil on 2006-01-19 at 17:10:32
Uh... I kinda got lost on reading here so uh... about creativity, I have a suggestion.

Perhaps Imagination is nothing more than compiling all the things you know and mixing them into different formats. If this has already been proven then I learned something.

That could be an answer on why people require inspiration and that's why "crazy" people have some neat ideas, reason because they think differently other than the norm.

I hope I'm not pointing out the terribly obvious (I hate it when I do that) facts.
I hope this isn't so obvious.

Anyways I'll shut up now...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-01-19 at 17:20:40
QUOTE(Doodan @ Jan 15 2006, 06:08 PM)
The point of this topic is to debate over wether or not their various problems (most of them had quite severe problems) contributed to their creativity. Is it necessary to be in some sort of pain to be creative?
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Pain for creativity huh?

Enter the Van Gogh.

If sawing off your own ear for inspiration, before shooting yourself in the chest without realiseing it would kill you and to keep painting isn't suffering for creativity than nothnig is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Septhiroth on 2006-01-19 at 17:21:30
QUOTE(Detestable_Evil @ Jan 19 2006, 04:10 PM)
"crazy" people have some neat ideas, reason because they think differently other than the norm.
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Heeheheheh I'm one of them happy.gif but anyways thats just going off topic. Hmmm Yea kinda true I Suppose, it's Kinda True
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Freedawk on 2006-01-22 at 20:55:31
QUOTE(Red2Blue @ Jan 16 2006, 06:14 PM)
We wouldn't have zeh tizzle fizzler either.

He's basically the definition of creativity.
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Why thank you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-01-22 at 21:06:35
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jan 17 2006, 09:21 AM)

Infiriority Complex is what i'm totally going to blame.  For the ignorant, this means I have to make fun of people to make myself feel good; Hence, the whities, greenies, noobie type stuff.  By me doing this to all the not-so-bright ones, makes my Self-Confidence go a bit higher (Even though it still sucks ass, and deteriorates by the end of the day) for a short amount of time.
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i just want to point out that when you do this to boost your own self-confidence. it takes someone elses down. i dont think that makes anyone feel good..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-23 at 03:27:31
Why do you think they call it a Complex, bright one...?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-01-23 at 21:25:08

So kellimus has lots of issues, no news to anyone, really tongue.gif

Creativity is just insanity to a controlled point tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-01-25 at 20:43:09
QUOTE
Infiriority Complex is what i'm totally going to blame. For the ignorant, this means I have to make fun of people to make myself feel good; Hence, the whities, greenies, noobie type stuff. By me doing this to all the not-so-bright ones, makes my Self-Confidence go a bit higher (Even though it still sucks ass, and deteriorates by the end of the day) for a short amount of time.


At least you admit to it. That I can respect.

Creative people are usually full of themselves. (I'm talking about the condescending artist kids here) I know this, cause I was once one of them. Thank god I got out of that phase a couple years ago. It was a biznatch.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shadow-Killa_04 on 2006-01-26 at 00:48:35
I think that the disorders these people have are very common in other people just that its 100 times harder to keep a secret of sorts when you're famous and all. I know 2 people with some ocd problems, nothing serious though. I wouldn't be surprised if 5 more people had it. A lot of the time they don't even know it themselves. I personaly don't think I do.

Other than that I think its just conincidence. People like to remember people who did great things and also had problems of their own they had to deal with.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-01-26 at 00:58:47
QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Jan 14 2006, 10:45 PM)
motzart ofthen said that differnt tones of sound were differnt colors.
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First time I heard that, and oddly enough, I agree completely. I can even list colors I see:
C - Red
D - Yellow Green
E - Blue
F - Orange
G - Light Green
A - Very Dark Green
B - Violet
C# - Indigo
D# - Yellow
F# - Baige
G# - Fuschia
A# - Gray

Genius is being on the brink of insanity, maybe even further.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-01-26 at 12:25:14
You may have soemthnig there, I get alot of this kid is a genius, followed by this kid is insane. SOmetimes both in one sentence.

When I say paranoia I actually mean the definition, I think people can hear my thoughts so when I think about something I don't want people to hear I start thinking white noise.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-26 at 19:41:06
QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Jan 14 2006, 09:45 PM)
motzart ofthen said that differnt tones of sound were differnt colors.
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Synaesthesia.

QUOTE(HolySin @ Jan 25 2006, 10:58 PM)
First time I heard that, and oddly enough, I agree completely.  I can even list colors I see:
C - Red
D - Yellow Green
E - Blue
F - Orange
G - Light Green
A - Very Dark Green
B - Violet
C# - Indigo
D# - Yellow
F# - Baige
G# - Fuschia
A# - Gray

Genius is being on the brink of insanity, maybe even further.
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You have Synaesthesia?!?!?! *Curses you*

QUOTE(Syphona @ Jan 26 2006, 10:25 AM)
You may have soemthnig there, I get alot of this kid is a genius, followed by this kid is insane. SOmetimes both in one sentence.

When I say paranoia I actually mean the definition, I think people can hear my thoughts so when I think about something I don't want people to hear I start thinking white noise.
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No. You're just a wanna-be
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shadow-Killa_04 on 2006-01-27 at 19:01:41
I don't think being ingenious would be the brick of insanity. I'd imagine it'd more work its way up if anything. They just see the worlds flaws time after time again and then they can't control themselves eventualy perhaps.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-01-27 at 23:15:11
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jan 26 2006, 07:41 PM)
Synaesthesia.
You have Synaesthesia?!?!?! *Curses you*
No.  You're just a wanna-be
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A wannabe what?

Synaesthesia isn't jsut mixing colours and tones though, I get something that may be a touch of somethnig similar, the feelnig of pencils breaking in my hands make me cold and I feel wet, while unlike most people I enjoy nails on a chalkboard.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-27 at 23:18:05
You are just mental.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Crackhead on 2006-01-31 at 01:33:35
QUOTE(Doodan @ Jan 14 2006, 08:54 PM)
As we all know, if it weren't for very creative people, the world would not be the way it is today. It took engenious artists, scientists, architects, etc., to bring us all of the luxuries and practical devices we have at our disposal. However, many of these brilliant minds suffered from some sort of terrible mental illness or powerful addiction. I just need to name people like Howard Hughes (OCD), Kurt Cobain (drugs), Einstein (anti-social disorders/autism), and so on in order for you to see what I mean. I consider myself artistic and creative, and I have my own psychological kinks that I'd rather not mention.

A great many of these creative people, as well as a great many of their supporters, would say that these disorders of theirs were part of what made them so creative. Many creative people will go so far as to defend their problems by saying that they are necessary to their functioning. But my question is: Is this the case? Do you have to be messed up in order to be creative? It certainly gives them a point of view that is different from most people, but is it not possible to live a normal life and behave in a way that society will accept while still retaining your creativity? Keeping your discipline will mean it is easier to find support from others as well as ensuring that you will complete your tasks. So many of them still push people away when it might be a benefit to maintain a more welcoming attitude.

What do you think?
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First of all Doodan:
I like you and all, You're a valued member. But Autism and anti-social disorders aren't a bad thing dude...
Einstein (anti-social disorders/autism),
That's kind of a sterotype of people saying that "If you don't make pointless chatter with people 24/7 you're a gay idiot! LoLz!1!1oen!1". ermm.gif

Yeah, Actually this might suprise you but I liked it better when humanity did nothing but hunt bears and make campfires. Now we have to deal with:

-Stupid people
-Racism, Corruption
-Economics
-Politics
-Famine
-Human Error
-Laziness
-Invention
-Old Age
-Depression
-Computers
-Avian Bird Flu

Compared to

-Making a fire and maintaining it
-Survival, hunting


Yeah wow! These are all great things! I totally LOOOOOVE the people who advanced our society! (sarcasm)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-02-01 at 13:56:44
QUOTE(The_Crackhead @ Jan 31 2006, 01:33 AM)
First of all Doodan:
I like you and all, You're a valued member. But Autism and anti-social disorders aren't a bad thing dude...
Einstein (anti-social disorders/autism),
That's kind of a sterotype of people saying that "If you don't make pointless chatter with people 24/7 you're a gay idiot! LoLz!1!1oen!1".  ermm.gif

Yeah, Actually this might suprise you but I liked it better when humanity did nothing but hunt bears and make campfires. Now we have to deal with:

-Stupid people
-Racism, Corruption
-Economics
-Politics
-Famine
-Human Error
-Laziness
-Invention
-Old Age
-Depression
-Computers
-Avian Bird Flu

Compared to

-Making a fire and maintaining it
-Survival, hunting
Yeah wow! These are all great things! I totally LOOOOOVE the people who advanced our society! (sarcasm)
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Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. But nothing is going to change what's already happened. Just because things are different now, doesn't mean that good can't still happen. Famine, racism, politics, etc., are all vicious realtities of life, but that's not what this topic is about (if you really think about it, we just live a much more complex version of the hunting/gathering way of life).

This topic is about plumbing the depths of the creative minds in the world. The ones that DO bring about change in a good or bad way (which those judgements are subjective in the first place). Is it necessary for these minds to be tormented in order for them to come up with the things they do?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by FISH2000 on 2006-02-01 at 20:42:01
Creativity can become very deep. No doubt it could drive one insane. Insane can be pretty much anything when it comes to mental disorders. None the less, Id prefer insane and massively creative than narrow minded any day.
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