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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-01-14 at 21:54:58

As we all know, if it weren't for very creative people, the world would not be the way it is today. It took engenious artists, scientists, architects, etc., to bring us all of the luxuries and practical devices we have at our disposal. However, many of these brilliant minds suffered from some sort of terrible mental illness or powerful addiction. I just need to name people like Howard Hughes (OCD), Kurt Cobain (drugs), Einstein (anti-social disorders/autism), and so on in order for you to see what I mean. I consider myself artistic and creative, and I have my own psychological kinks that I'd rather not mention.

A great many of these creative people, as well as a great many of their supporters, would say that these disorders of theirs were part of what made them so creative. Many creative people will go so far as to defend their problems by saying that they are necessary to their functioning. But my question is: Is this the case? Do you have to be messed up in order to be creative? It certainly gives them a point of view that is different from most people, but is it not possible to live a normal life and behave in a way that society will accept while still retaining your creativity? Keeping your discipline will mean it is easier to find support from others as well as ensuring that you will complete your tasks. So many of them still push people away when it might be a benefit to maintain a more welcoming attitude.

What do you think?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-01-14 at 22:03:07

I don't think you HAVE to be messed up, but minor things sort of help. Like anti-socialism, or ADHD maybe.
Ehh, I have ADHD and I'm pretty creative

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-01-14 at 22:22:17

well like i dont really think that having a mental disorder is needed to be creative but i do believe it helps in a wierd way..... motzart had a disorder where his senses overlapped each other so he could actually see sound in differnt colors.... anyway it seems very logical that what you say is true doodan.

im pretty creative and i dont *twitch* have any problems *twitch twitch*

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-01-14 at 22:45:37

How do you see sound?
That's really confusing.
Now then, I how exactly do they know who had what back then. I doubt 100 years ago they even knew about this stuff, I just have a feeling they make up stuff about geniuses from the past.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-14 at 22:49:05

Synaesthesia.

Psychologists have been around for a long long time.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-01-14 at 23:45:06

motzart ofthen said that differnt tones of sound were differnt colors.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by 5(U) on 2006-01-14 at 23:48:29

I understand what you mean with that addiction thing.. I think everyone is addicted to something...

people automaticly links "addiction" with "bad thing" thats kinda stupid.. you can be addicted to anything.. in some case it gives incredible results that affect the humanity.. Hitler is a good exemple.. this guy was addicted to power..

oh here is a fun quote:

I don't do drugs. I am drugs.
Salvador Dali

what you should read in this: "I dont need anything else than myself to make what i can make"

Dali was addicted to himself.

and this totally fit with what was dali was thinking.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vibrator on 2006-01-15 at 00:10:53

Creativity and depression often go hand in hand. Probably why a lot of them end up doing drugs. Not exactly sure why though, someones probably thought up some reason for it though.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-01-15 at 00:19:09

Look at all my problems then weigh them against my creative genius.

ADD
Paranoia
Schitzophrenia
God complex.

I think you may have something there dood.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by 5(U) on 2006-01-15 at 00:21:33

QUOTE(Vibrator @ Jan 15 2006, 12:10 AM)

Creativity and depression often go hand in hand. Probably why a lot of them end up doing drugs. Not exactly sure why though, someones probably thought up some reason for it though.
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hmm i never thought of that.. but you are right.. i totally agree..

and about why it does together.. i think theres no specific reason or precise reasons.. its probably personnal to each of em

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Vibrator on 2006-01-15 at 00:26:19

More like it feels personal to them, really they probably all have a generic problem.
For some reason i see that painters end up killing themselves or mutilating themselves and musicians end up doing drugs.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-01-15 at 01:09:47

QUOTE(Syphon @ Jan 15 2006, 12:19 AM)

Look at all my problems then weigh them against my creative genius.

ADD
Paranoia
Schitzophrenia
God complex.

I think you may have something there dood.
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While creative often equals crazy, it doesn't necessarily work the other way around. LOL

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-15 at 01:18:56

I'm creative and I have:

Manic Depression (Bi-Polar)
Paranoia
Partial Schizophrenia
Partial Multipul Personalit Disorder
Infiriority Complex (I make fun of people to make myself feel better)
Depression
Obsessive Compulsive

Hmm... You're right Doodan.. I guess the more problems you have, the more creativity you posess....

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Ordinary.oO on 2006-01-15 at 01:20:52

I consider me a creative person.. I write stories, draw alot of cartoons, i script, i hack, my iq is "141".... But yes... i have mental "Kinks", Maybe you have noticed i have a slight obession with the "....s" =/ I also suffer from a mild case of A.D.D. Which i beleave is a corporite pill scheme...

So sum it up.. i have..

ADD
Paranoia
Cannot Function with out a steady beat of taps..
Depression..
Mild Schizophrenia

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-01-15 at 01:29:30

I think you're missing the point of the topic. We can compare our lists of problems in the shoutbox, but what I want to know is WHY you think, or why you DON'T think, behavior defects play a major role in a creative person.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-01-15 at 03:54:45

I have the problem where I think i'm not good at anything, and that i'm ugly ass hell... Sometimes I think otherwise, but i'm constantly thinking those two things when in all reality, it's not true.

But I don't know how I think... I just, think..

I've been planning out my world that i'm making for my novels and games and such since I was a sophmore in high school. The idea to make it just came to me.. I'm using different fantasy trilogies and books for inspiration (The apendixes of LOTR has helped in creating my mythology for my novels) and I hope to make at least a Trilogy...

With my music.. It just comes to me, too... I'll get a sudden urge to create some Trance... Sometimes the song just comes, and it's great, and sometimes it doesn't come, and it's not so great (But still good... Which is very odd)

With my poems, I have to be in an extremely depressed state to make them good...

So yeah...

Report, edit, etc...Posted by brutetal on 2006-01-15 at 05:24:31

QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jan 15 2006, 01:54 AM)

But I don't know how I think... I just, think..

I've been planning out my world that i'm making for my novels and games and such since I was a sophmore in high school. The idea to make it just came to me.. I'm using different fantasy trilogies and books for inspiration (The apendixes of LOTR has helped in creating my mythology for my novels) and I hope to make at least a Trilogy...

With my music.. It just comes to me, too... I'll get a sudden urge to create some Trance... Sometimes the song just comes, and it's great, and sometimes it doesn't come, and it's not so great (But still good... Which is very odd)

With my poems, I have to be in an extremely depressed state to make them good...
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Thats odd...
With my poems, I too have to be in a depressed state.
My storys/games started in 5th grade, lol I beat you!
My old stories, every character told in the story was dynamic their was no static character, which is pretty amazing to me still.
The ideas I had for the games was insane and crazy and was never thought acutally possible untill now with the PhysX and the Aegas(Spelling?) physic/graphics engine for games.

I just use whatever comes to mind, what I see, and what happens in the world around me.
Thats where mostly my creavity comes from.

My music, mine are usally like rock or orcastra. I use my firends gutars/drumb sets, I don't want to get my own I'm cheap like that.

Creativty, its some of the things that makes the world go round!

I got:
ADD/ADHD
Mild Depression

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-01-15 at 12:36:00

I've made many sc maps, joke comics, and have written almost 200 songs last year.

I don't have any disability. Except maybe obsessive thinking. I think constantly, it's like breathing. But I don't see that as a disability at all.

But in general, I believe you're right.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-01-15 at 13:06:35

QUOTE(Doodan @ Jan 14 2006, 08:54 PM)

What is your point? Is it without creativity the world wouldn't be what it is now.. Well i agree.. I mean thats just common logic. The renaissance and the middle ages show lots of this. I'm not sure of your point but i hope my conclusion matches.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-01-15 at 18:08:53

QUOTE(Snipe @ Jan 15 2006, 01:06 PM)

The point of this topic is to debate over wether or not their various problems (most of them had quite severe problems) contributed to their creativity. Is it necessary to be in some sort of pain to be creative?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-01-15 at 18:59:38

Could be a tradeoff in the scheme of things.
Trade stablility of mind for potential of mind.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-01-15 at 23:12:29

Well, to be creative you need expression and a way to express it, in a way that only you could have done so. So yes many people that have great conceptualizations for humanity are rather out there. But there are many of those, the ones that nobody hears about, that are perfectly normal.
Probably many of you have never heard of Donald Weder, who currently hold the most number of patents in the United States. He is still alive, and quite normal, with over 1,090 patents under his belt.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-01-15 at 23:27:48

Creativity is the key to enlightenment.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Freedawk on 2006-01-16 at 17:51:33

We wouldn't have musuems, we wouldn't have art as our sigs and avatars, and we wouldn't have graphics in our video games...

Thank God for Einstein...

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-01-16 at 18:14:18

We wouldn't have zeh tizzle fizzler either.

He's basically the definition of creativity.

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