Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2006-02-02 at 23:55:42
You only hear SEN is going downhill because all the members who know what SEN used to be want it back.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-02-03 at 00:11:49
QUOTE(RexyRex @ Feb 2 2006, 11:55 PM)
You only hear SEN is going downhill because all the members who know what SEN used to be want it back.
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Which is exactly what I was saying with my highschool analogy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lyon on 2006-02-03 at 00:12:15
I Agree with everything you just Said, no More biznatching!!!
And in the Past i've seen about 10 Topics about George Bush, If you Want to biznatch ABOUT BUSH DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, THIS SITE IS ABOUT STARCRAFT AND MAP MAKING!!
Btw: Nice Speech >:)
And in the Past i've seen about 10 Topics about George Bush, If you Want to biznatch ABOUT BUSH DO IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, THIS SITE IS ABOUT STARCRAFT AND MAP MAKING!!
Btw: Nice Speech >:)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2006-02-03 at 00:26:33
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy)
...I am just absolutely disgusted about how many are complaining about how SEN is going downhill. I just wanted to show...that it's not.
Just give us some decent proof that SEN is picking itself up.Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-02-03 at 00:40:35
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Is it just me or do these two parts completely contradict each other?
No they dont. I'm saying that you guys shouldn't judge the overall quality of SEN just based on those forums I mentioned there. And the second quote was criticizing, how quite a number of people on SEN are spending more time in the Null, LD, SD, forums more than the other forums. They're addressing two different points, but in no way do they contradict each other.
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Or it means you can only spam "This map looks cool" so many times. You're also saying a lot of stuff as if we completely forgot that SEN had anything to do with starcraft. Wait a minute, i'm recieving a photo from a reporter in SEN:
Wow, look at that. I seems that people acutally do post in that fourm!
Wow, look at that. I seems that people acutally do post in that fourm!
I'm not saying nobody participates in the UMS forums. Sure lots of people care about SC, but maybe we can get some more people to start caring even more? The best place to look is in the Null, LD, and SD forums where many SENers choose to spend alot of their time. And by drawing some of the disgruntled people out of those forums, perhaps it can also somewhat raise the quality of those forums.
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You also say (And act) as if everyone made maps then they wouldn't be aholes anymore? How are those two related at all. If everyone justs posts in map making fourm the website would DIE. Yeah making maps is cool and it is the main point of the site but it is a COMMUNITY. People learn to get to know each other on their views and what they think about on certain topics. And if you think that Yoshi made the site ONLY to have people make maps and talk about maps (ONLY!!) then please find me a single quote that says that very blanantly. I'm sure making a good map making place was a first intention of the site, but maybe at some point he thought it'd be really great if everyone could be friends and talk about anything they wanted on the fourm. Of course I can't find a quote like that either. However I'm almost 100% sure that all those other fourms were made so people could get to know their friends better, not to make retarded fourm games and have people flame each other. The problem is that people don't want to know about each other anymore they just want to piss someone off.
No, I'm mostly saying that if you are getting irritated at the fact of how the quality of the Other Forums are going down, then maybe you can instead of complain about it or leave the site period try participating in the UMS world (and by UMS world I dont mean just posting in the UMS forums, but perhaps making some maps or just play SC period.)
Sure if you love how the Other Forums are going right now, then that's perfectly fine, go ahead and spend as much time as you want there. But seeing how so many people are pretty pissed at how "bad" those places are turning out to be, my suggestion is to just move on, maybe try spending more time doing something else.
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SEN is going downhill. It's just not as good and fun as it was in the past.
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I think SEN is dying
Can you guys perhaps describe some aspects of SEN's downhill path? You cannot point out posts made in Null, LD, and SD because those do not mean SEN is going downhill.
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MA, you say SEN's not going downhill because of the Null, LD, and SD forums, but then you point out over half of SEN posts there more than everywhere else.
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Yes, you guys should not say SEN is going down just because of what kind of posts are being made in the Null, LD, and SD forums.
The point of me pointing out that over half ot the SEN posts were made in those forums is to show how many members choose to spend more time in those forums rather than other ones like the UMS ones. Now I'm not saying that they should just plain stop posting in the Null, LD, or SD forums, but merely suggesting that maybe they could perhaps cut back on some (not all) of their Null, LD, or SD forum times and instead use them for something else. By doing this, this may possibly also bring the quality of the Null, LD, and SD forums back up a little bit. But as I've said earlier, if they love participating in the Null, LD, and SD forums, then that's perfectly fine. But the whole point of me making this topic was because of me seeing numerous people complain about what's going on in those forums.
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QUOTE(RexyRex @ Feb 2 2006, 11:26 PM)
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy)
...I am just absolutely disgusted about how many are complaining about how SEN is going downhill. I just wanted to show...that it's not.
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Look at our Downloads Database, look at how many files and maps we have. Lots of them have really cool stuff to them and can be really fun to play. Compare many of these maps with maps that were made in the past; these maps are really outstanding. Look at our Tutorials Section, you can find lots of tutorials which can answer many people's map making questions. Now an ordinary map maker can learn how to do cool nifty tricks and increase their map making skills.
Look at the cool programs people have made, SEN is how the host to some of the greatest programs people have made such as Uberation and Trigger Viewer. Even to this very day, these programs keep on getting better and better. Now we have some of the best and most reliable map making resources ever to have existed in this starcraft universe.
Oh and look what SEN has done with Starcraft. With the discovery of EUDs, we now have the full attention of blizzard. Even though we find the constant flow of battle.net patches rather annoying, but the point is that blizzard is starting to care about starcraft all because of SEN.
The skills of many map makers, including me, have increased considerably all because of SEN's resources. Almost every week or so, some new map, new programs, new tutorials, new techniques, new updates, or new anything comes out on SEN and things just keep on getting better and better. SEN is now the host to some of the world's best UMS map makers. And we can help make it even better by getting more and more people to participate instead of visiting the Null, LD, and SD forums.
Look at the cool programs people have made, SEN is how the host to some of the greatest programs people have made such as Uberation and Trigger Viewer. Even to this very day, these programs keep on getting better and better. Now we have some of the best and most reliable map making resources ever to have existed in this starcraft universe.
Oh and look what SEN has done with Starcraft. With the discovery of EUDs, we now have the full attention of blizzard. Even though we find the constant flow of battle.net patches rather annoying, but the point is that blizzard is starting to care about starcraft all because of SEN.
The skills of many map makers, including me, have increased considerably all because of SEN's resources. Almost every week or so, some new map, new programs, new tutorials, new techniques, new updates, or new anything comes out on SEN and things just keep on getting better and better. SEN is now the host to some of the world's best UMS map makers. And we can help make it even better by getting more and more people to participate instead of visiting the Null, LD, and SD forums.
What's going on in the Null, LD, and SD forums is out of the question. Sure the quality in those forums have gone down; I agree with that. But the point is that just because of what's going on only in those forums doesn't determine how SEN is doing as a whole. It's like running a presidential election where you only count republican votes. (sorry bad analogy
)Report, edit, etc...Posted by Demaris on 2006-02-03 at 02:12:21
No, not that bad of an analogy
To me, the only reason SEN is going downhill at all is because everyone is sitting around saying that it is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-02-03 at 02:47:38
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i think there the global mods needs to ban the people that flames and spams immediatly. that would get rid of all the trouble.
Well, considering the reaction to the last major person we banned (kellimus) I don't think the reactions to massive banning would be very optimistic.Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-02-03 at 07:29:38
Let's all just say it now: complete bans never work,, will never work, and will only bring forth more problems.
It's hard to put up a ruler against the quality of sen and measure what it's quality is from now to then. Let's just forget about quality for a moment and instead judge on what it is as a whole. It is a community with everchanging people. They are never the same, and always shift through the times. We cannot force sen to be something that it used to be, rather, we have to move on and accept what it is today. Sure sen is alot different from what it was "yesterday," but that's okay. It doesn't mean that its a bad place at all. Sure there are a few problems that occur and a few places where discussion isn't right... but that's okay because that is what we are. A community.
Sounds like a good plan... unfortunately not many people play sc anymore or make maps.
It's hard to put up a ruler against the quality of sen and measure what it's quality is from now to then. Let's just forget about quality for a moment and instead judge on what it is as a whole. It is a community with everchanging people. They are never the same, and always shift through the times. We cannot force sen to be something that it used to be, rather, we have to move on and accept what it is today. Sure sen is alot different from what it was "yesterday," but that's okay. It doesn't mean that its a bad place at all. Sure there are a few problems that occur and a few places where discussion isn't right... but that's okay because that is what we are. A community.
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No, I'm mostly saying that if you are getting irritated at the fact of how the quality of the Other Forums are going down, then maybe you can instead of complain about it or leave the site period try participating in the UMS world (and by UMS world I dont mean just posting in the UMS forums, but perhaps making some maps or just play SC period.)
Sounds like a good plan... unfortunately not many people play sc anymore or make maps.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-02-03 at 14:39:20
@MindArchon..
Yes, they did?
@MA
Mill, whether you like it or not, LD, Null and SD are major parts to Staredit.Net. The quality of the site goes down when the quality of those forums go down. I guarentee you SEN is not the same without those forums.
Yes, they did?
@MA
Mill, whether you like it or not, LD, Null and SD are major parts to Staredit.Net. The quality of the site goes down when the quality of those forums go down. I guarentee you SEN is not the same without those forums.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-02-03 at 14:53:16
QUOTE(Dorkhawk @ Feb 3 2006, 07:39 PM)
@MindArchon..
Yes, they did?
@MA
Mill, whether you like it or not, LD, Null and SD are major parts to Staredit.Net. The quality of the site goes down when the quality of those forums go down. I guarentee you SEN is not the same without those forums.
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Yes, they did?
@MA
Mill, whether you like it or not, LD, Null and SD are major parts to Staredit.Net. The quality of the site goes down when the quality of those forums go down. I guarentee you SEN is not the same without those forums.
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@dorky..?
Ma brings up valid points, this is a starcraft site and its turning into a general discussion site(i cant really talk cuz i go in those forums too.) but id agree that sen wouldnt be the same.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-02-03 at 14:57:13
I agree with MA on some parts but i also believe that sen is more than a map making site. i mean if it was just for map making there wouldnt be the Null or LD and SD. although the main purpose of this site is to help people with thier maps that doesnt mean you should ignore the other forums that are going on.
Those 3 forums alone have created the community that we see here today. but if nothing is done that community will disapear sorry to say.
Those 3 forums alone have created the community that we see here today. but if nothing is done that community will disapear sorry to say.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-02-03 at 15:04:26
Mapping is not the same as it used to be, maybe that's why there isn't as much map making as before?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-02-03 at 15:05:47
QUOTE(Dorkhawk @ Feb 3 2006, 08:04 PM)
Mapping is not the same as it used to be, maybe that's why there isn't as much map making as before?
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map making back then wasnt as good as it is 2day, but in the map making 2day it takes so long to make the map ppl give up half way in it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-02-03 at 15:07:28
You're right, which was part of my point. We've reached the ceiling when it comes to map making, which takes a lot of fun out of mapping in general. We're pretty much restricted to good ideas now, which don't come along very often.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-02-03 at 15:07:28
It only takes long because everyone has already took all the good easy to do ideas.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2006-02-03 at 15:34:50
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Feb 3 2006, 01:40 AM)
No they dont. I'm saying that you guys shouldn't judge the overall quality of SEN just based on those forums I mentioned there. And the second quote was criticizing, how quite a number of people on SEN are spending more time in the Null, LD, SD, forums more than the other forums. They're addressing two different points, but in no way do they contradict each other.
I'm not saying nobody participates in the UMS forums. Sure lots of people care about SC, but maybe we can get some more people to start caring even more? The best place to look is in the Null, LD, and SD forums where many SENers choose to spend alot of their time. And by drawing some of the disgruntled people out of those forums, perhaps it can also somewhat raise the quality of those forums.
No, I'm mostly saying that if you are getting irritated at the fact of how the quality of the Other Forums are going down, then maybe you can instead of complain about it or leave the site period try participating in the UMS world (and by UMS world I dont mean just posting in the UMS forums, but perhaps making some maps or just play SC period.)
Sure if you love how the Other Forums are going right now, then that's perfectly fine, go ahead and spend as much time as you want there. But seeing how so many people are pretty pissed at how "bad" those places are turning out to be, my suggestion is to just move on, maybe try spending more time doing something else.
Can you guys perhaps describe some aspects of SEN's downhill path? You cannot point out posts made in Null, LD, and SD because those do not mean SEN is going downhill.
Yes, you guys should not say SEN is going down just because of what kind of posts are being made in the Null, LD, and SD forums.
The point of me pointing out that over half ot the SEN posts were made in those forums is to show how many members choose to spend more time in those forums rather than other ones like the UMS ones. Now I'm not saying that they should just plain stop posting in the Null, LD, or SD forums, but merely suggesting that maybe they could perhaps cut back on some (not all) of their Null, LD, or SD forum times and instead use them for something else. By doing this, this may possibly also bring the quality of the Null, LD, and SD forums back up a little bit. But as I've said earlier, if they love participating in the Null, LD, and SD forums, then that's perfectly fine. But the whole point of me making this topic was because of me seeing numerous people complain about what's going on in those forums.
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Just give us some decent proof that SEN is picking itself up.
What's going on in the Null, LD, and SD forums is out of the question. Sure the quality in those forums have gone down; I agree with that. But the point is that just because of what's going on only in those forums doesn't determine how SEN is doing as a whole. It's like running a presidential election where you only count republican votes. (sorry bad analogy)
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I'm not saying nobody participates in the UMS forums. Sure lots of people care about SC, but maybe we can get some more people to start caring even more? The best place to look is in the Null, LD, and SD forums where many SENers choose to spend alot of their time. And by drawing some of the disgruntled people out of those forums, perhaps it can also somewhat raise the quality of those forums.
No, I'm mostly saying that if you are getting irritated at the fact of how the quality of the Other Forums are going down, then maybe you can instead of complain about it or leave the site period try participating in the UMS world (and by UMS world I dont mean just posting in the UMS forums, but perhaps making some maps or just play SC period.)
Sure if you love how the Other Forums are going right now, then that's perfectly fine, go ahead and spend as much time as you want there. But seeing how so many people are pretty pissed at how "bad" those places are turning out to be, my suggestion is to just move on, maybe try spending more time doing something else.
Can you guys perhaps describe some aspects of SEN's downhill path? You cannot point out posts made in Null, LD, and SD because those do not mean SEN is going downhill.
Yes, you guys should not say SEN is going down just because of what kind of posts are being made in the Null, LD, and SD forums.
The point of me pointing out that over half ot the SEN posts were made in those forums is to show how many members choose to spend more time in those forums rather than other ones like the UMS ones. Now I'm not saying that they should just plain stop posting in the Null, LD, or SD forums, but merely suggesting that maybe they could perhaps cut back on some (not all) of their Null, LD, or SD forum times and instead use them for something else. By doing this, this may possibly also bring the quality of the Null, LD, and SD forums back up a little bit. But as I've said earlier, if they love participating in the Null, LD, and SD forums, then that's perfectly fine. But the whole point of me making this topic was because of me seeing numerous people complain about what's going on in those forums.
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Just give us some decent proof that SEN is picking itself up.
What's going on in the Null, LD, and SD forums is out of the question. Sure the quality in those forums have gone down; I agree with that. But the point is that just because of what's going on only in those forums doesn't determine how SEN is doing as a whole. It's like running a presidential election where you only count republican votes. (sorry bad analogy
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Map Making Assistance activity at only 99%? That's sad, because it used to always be at 100%. And just because "noobs" always need help and ask questions doesn't make the quality of SEN any better.
I also think the quality of maps and mapmakers has gone down. At least there's not as much "excitement" about new projects and things that are being made. Even if there is, look at the channel, op SEN, no one is really ever there. And mapmaking is pointless if it is not played at all on battle.net. No fun can be had from a map that isn't played. It's just a useless file no one has downloaded.
And Null, Lite, and SD forums aren't going downhill really. I just see a lack of idiots in SD which makes it less fun than what it used to be.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Red2Blue on 2006-02-03 at 15:36:56
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Map Making Assistance activity at only 99%? That's sad, because it used to always be at 100%. And just because "noobs" always need help and ask questions doesn't make the quality of SEN any better.
Actually, its at 100%.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-02-03 at 16:08:29
the percent means nothing, it whats actually happening there thats whats wrong, 1/30 maps are being finished and 1/100 are actually good quality maps. we need to buckle down and start making some good maps and actually finishing them! it would help alot if we had ppl like TT and Bolt_Head come back to make a map or two...actually that would be awesome
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-02-03 at 16:32:54
Thank you for saying this! It was pissing me off when people would always be saying SEN is going Downhill! when most of them haven't been here for more than a couple months.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 00cnr on 2006-02-03 at 17:31:44
I totally agree. You just summed that up the best that any of of could have. Gj.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-02-03 at 17:34:50
Actually, a good amount of active members(Or now members that have left/been banned) have been claiming that this site had been going downhill. Sure, tons of members agree with MA now, but I honestly don't believe half of them mean it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Forsaken on 2006-02-03 at 17:36:59
Well, I joined about 2 weeks before Yoshi left(the first tine). So, I guess I came only a few days after the whole server crash... But, in comparison to then, the site has degraded.
The thing is, as of now, SeN is not as bad as it was about 2 months ago. Things are getting better, slowly, but surely.
My suggestion...
Maybe create a cap on the amount of posts in the Null forum per day, or create some sort of a filter in order to post in the 'other' forums. Yes, it will weed out a lot of SeN's users. But, wouldn't that be a good thing? Get rid of a few spammers and flamers?
The thing is, as of now, SeN is not as bad as it was about 2 months ago. Things are getting better, slowly, but surely.
My suggestion...
Maybe create a cap on the amount of posts in the Null forum per day, or create some sort of a filter in order to post in the 'other' forums. Yes, it will weed out a lot of SeN's users. But, wouldn't that be a good thing? Get rid of a few spammers and flamers?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-02-03 at 17:40:09
Why don't we just ban the flamers and spammers?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-02-03 at 17:51:29
QUOTE(Dorkhawk @ Feb 3 2006, 01:39 PM)
Mill, whether you like it or not, LD, Null and SD are major parts to Staredit.Net. The quality of the site goes down when the quality of those forums go down. I guarentee you SEN is not the same without those forums.
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QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Feb 3 2006, 01:57 PM)
I agree with MA on some parts but i also believe that sen is more than a map making site. i mean if it was just for map making there wouldnt be the Null or LD and SD. although the main purpose of this site is to help people with thier maps that doesnt mean you should ignore the other forums that are going on.
Those 3 forums alone have created the community that we see here today. but if nothing is done that community will disapear sorry to say.
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Sure they are major parts of SEN, I totally agree with you guys on that. But the point is it isn't everything. Just because those forums are going down doesn't mean the whole site is going down. That's the thing I'm trying to clear up, that's the point i've been trying to get across.
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I guarentee you SEN is not the same without those forums.
I also guarantee you that SEN would also not be the same without the DLDB, the Tutorials DB, the great map programs hosted here, and the huge number of map makers who've gained much map making skills here.
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Now if what's going on in some forums like the UMS ones is also going down or if the quality of maps and programs and tutorials we're getting is also dwindling or just coming too slowly, THEN we can truly decide whether SEN as a whole is going down. But please, dont just say SEN is going down all because of what's going on in the Null, LD, and SD forums. That's all.
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Sure they are major parts of SEN, I totally agree with you guys on that. But the point is it isn't everything. Just because those forums are going down doesn't mean the whole site is going down. That's the thing I'm trying to clear up, that's the point i've been trying to get across.[right][snapback]419757[/snapback][/right]
Thank you! If it were me, I would press one button. "D E L E T E"
*Forsaken shrugs.