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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lyon on 2006-02-23 at 15:19:09
QUOTE(Insane @ Feb 23 2006, 01:48 AM)
It doesnt even matter who your giving the ports to eather way giving 6 major ports away is a bad idea
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I Suppose, it would be bad enough to give them to the British (I First heard thats who they we're going to) But the Arabians....cmon man, There people are Trying to KILL US is it Really a good idea to Give them a Window of oppurtunity to Come into the US??
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-02-23 at 15:28:48
QUOTE(Light_Aurora @ Feb 23 2006, 03:19 PM)
I Suppose, it would be bad enough to give them to the British (I First heard thats who they we're going to) But the Arabians....cmon man, There people are Trying to KILL US is it Really a good idea to Give them a Window of oppurtunity to Come into the US??
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The British already owned the rights to the ports, and how would they be a threat in the first place? And the United Arab Emirates as a whole is not particularly anti-U.S, but this is certainly making the job easier for someone trying to smuggle illicit materials in.

This makes no sense when lined up against all of Bush's other policies, and especially since he's never even considered a veto up until this point.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Azu on 2006-02-23 at 15:34:45
wtf is with all this racism and crap confused.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Stilth on 2006-02-23 at 18:38:01
you guys are extremely paranoid, can't you see the moslems are our friends happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-23 at 19:23:58
Quit spamming

QUOTE(The_Daddy)
We have always payed what we owed, but things build up.... And we pay those things and more things build up. We are still in debt, but things are still getting payed. understand now?


How can you pay someone back, when you have no money?

If you knew anything about economics, you would know that if someone is in DEBT, that means that HAVE NOTHING of VALUE to give in RETURN.

So please explain to us all, how you can pay back someone with nothing.

Edit: Also. If we have paid back to everyone (As you so claim we have) Why are we still Trillions of dollars in DEBT to OTHER COUNTRIES???

Edit Again:
QUOTE(Dictionary.com)
debt  Audio pronunciation of "Debt" ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (dt)
n.

  1. Something owed, such as money, goods, or services.
  2.
        1. An obligation or liability to pay or render something to someone else.
        2. The condition of owing: a young family always in debt.
  3. An offense requiring forgiveness or reparation; a trespass.


Hrm... Still seems like we're in DEBT still.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-23 at 20:03:26
QUOTE(Zordon @ Feb 23 2006, 04:23 PM)
Quit spamming
Hrm...  Still seems like we're in DEBT still.
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omg this is commical.

By your logic:

A) American government has NO money at all.
B) We still owe other countries from WW1, WW2, civil war, or basically any debt we need to pay since after Jefferson.

We are paying dues, but the debt is building faster then we can pay....

Do you know anything? Seriously.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-23 at 20:16:00
Apparently more than you.

If we had money, would we be in a DEBT??

And what is backing up our "money" that you seem to think we have? Sure isn't gold nor silver anymore. It's our WORD

QUOTE(The_Daddy)
By your logic:


Which is intelligent logic

QUOTE(The_Daddy)
A) American government has NO money at all.
B) We still owe other countries from WW1, WW2, civil war, or basically any debt we need to pay since after Jefferson.


And you call me stupid? Notice the bolded word. You can't pay DEBT back to your own country, nimrod. You can pay it back to the countries PEOPLE And yes. We still owe those other countries, why do you think we are still in DEBT

Oh, by the way. If we have money (Again, like you claim), why are we in DEBT TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS??? Answer that, Mr. "Smartypants".. Oh, you can't. Because you are just pulling random things from your rectum, and using them as an argument.

Use Logic.

Example: Jim-bob has $100 dollars. He loans it to Jeffrey-Jim. Jeffrey-Jim spends it. Jim-bob is in debt $100 dollars because he loaned it to Jeffrey-Jim, and Jeffrey-Jim is in debt $100 dollars because he spent it. Jeffrey-Jim cannot pay back Jim-bob because Jeffrey-Jim doesn't have the money (I.E. DEBT)

Is that spelt out good enough for you? Or are you still certain that you can pay back someone with NOTHING????

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QUOTE(The_Daddy)
omg this is commical.

By your logic:

A) American government has NO money at all.
B) We still owe other countries from WW1, WW2, civil war, or basically any debt we need to pay since after Jefferson.

We are paying dues, but the debt is building faster then we can pay....

Do you know anything? Seriously.


Thanks for the Ad Hominem Abusive. And the Ad Hoc, too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-23 at 20:21:30
QUOTE(Zordon @ Feb 23 2006, 05:16 PM)
Apparently more than you.

If we had money, would we be in a DEBT??

And what is backing up our "money" that you seem to think we have?  Sure isn't gold nor silver anymore.  It's our WORD
And you call me stupid?  Notice the bolded word.  You can't pay DEBT back to your own country, nimrod.  You can pay it back to the countries PEOPLE  And yes.  We still owe those other countries, why do you think we are still in DEBT

Oh, by the way.  If we have money (Again, like you claim), why are we in DEBT TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS???  Answer that, Mr. "Smartypants"..  Oh, you can't.  Because you are just pulling random things from your rectum, and using them as an argument.

Use Logic.

Example: Jim-bob has $100 dollars.  He loans it to Jeffrey-Jim.  Jeffrey-Jim spends it.  Jim-bob is in debt $100 dollars because he loaned it to Jeffrey-Jim, and Jeffrey-Jim is in debt $100 dollars because he spent it.  Jeffrey-Jim cannot pay back Jim-bob because Jeffrey-Jim doesn't have the money (I.E. DEBT)

Is that spelt out good enough for you?  Or are you still certain that you can pay back someone with NOTHING????
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lol, what DO YOU THINK TAXES ARE????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Civil war: Reconstruction???? HELLLO darn dude do you know anything? Gosh...

oh and to answer your question for a third time.

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We are paying dues, but the debt is building faster then we can pay....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-23 at 20:26:08
QUOTE(The_Daddy)
lol, what DO YOU THINK TAXES ARE????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Civil war: Reconstruction???? HELLLO darn dude do you know anything? Gosh...

oh and to answer your question for a third time.

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We are paying dues, but the debt is building faster then we can pay....


Thanks for another Ad Hominem Abusive, and the Ad Hoc.

Ad Hoc: Because we are paying taxes, we are not in debt.

Ad Hominem: "HELLLO darn dude do you know anything? Gosh..."

Now to refute your argument (Or lack thereof):

Your argument is that we are paying dues, but the debt is building faster than we can pay. Again, you fail to see how we are paying dues with absolutely NOTHING. Our nation is TRILLIONS of dollars in debt; Therefor, NO MONEY.

So I ask you: How can we pay off our debts to someone when we have nothing to pay it off with? A debt means there is nothing there; Hence, the Federal Debt being 8 Trillion+ dollars.

Now again. Please explain to everyone that reads this thread, how you can pay someone off, with nothing. Nothing of any value or substance.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-23 at 20:29:21
QUOTE(Zordon @ Feb 23 2006, 05:26 PM)
QUOTE(The_Daddy)
lol, what DO YOU THINK TAXES ARE????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Civil war: Reconstruction???? HELLLO darn dude do you know anything? Gosh...

oh and to answer your question for a third time.

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We are paying dues, but the debt is building faster then we can pay....


Thanks for another Ad Hominem Abusive, and the Ad Hoc.

Ad Hoc: Because we are paying taxes, we are not in debt.

Ad Hominem: "HELLLO darn dude do you know anything? Gosh..."

Now to refute your argument (Or lack thereof):

Your argument is that we are paying dues, but the debt is building faster than we can pay. Again, you fail to see how we are paying dues with absolutely NOTHING. Our nation is TRILLIONS of dollars in debt; Therefor, NO MONEY.

So I ask you: How can we pay off our debts to someone when we have nothing to pay it off with? A debt means there is nothing there; Hence, the Federal Debt being 8 Trillion+ dollars.

Now again. Please explain to everyone that reads this thread, how you can pay someone off, with nothing. Nothing of any value or substance.
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No, fark you, you explain to me how we have no money but some how all our government is still functioning? All our services (transportation, etc..) is still running if our government has no money?

Im not saying we are not in debt, Im saying we DO have money.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-02-23 at 20:29:36
I think he's saying that we're continuing to build a larger deficit (spending money that doesn't exist), which is something only governments can do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-02-23 at 20:33:03
[quote=TheDaddy0420,Feb 23 2006, 08:29 PM]
Thanks for another Ad Hominem Abusive, and the Ad Hoc.

Ad Hoc: Because we are paying taxes, we are not in debt.

Ad Hominem: "HELLLO darn dude do you know anything? Gosh..."

Now to refute your argument (Or lack thereof):

Your argument is that we are paying dues, but the debt is building faster than we can pay. Again, you fail to see how we are paying dues with absolutely NOTHING. Our nation is TRILLIONS of dollars in debt; Therefor, NO MONEY.

So I ask you: How can we pay off our debts to someone when we have nothing to pay it off with? A debt means there is nothing there; Hence, the Federal Debt being 8 Trillion+ dollars.

Now again. Please explain to everyone that reads this thread, how you can pay someone off, with nothing. Nothing of any value or substance.
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No, fark you, you explain to me how we have no money but some how all our government is still functioning? All our services (transportation, etc..) is still running if our government has no money?

Im not saying we are not in debt, Im saying we DO have money.
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We DO have money, you are right. We just aren't spending enough of it on debts. We've been spending it on wars and corporte bailouts/grants (Seems like Haliburton got a 1 and a half trillion grant some years ago, or something like that. I could be wrong about the number)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-23 at 20:42:40
QUOTE(The_Daddy)
No, fark you, you explain to me how we have no money but some how all our government is still functioning? All our services (transportation, etc..) is still running if our government has no money?

Im not saying we are not in debt, Im saying we DO have money.


You claime intelligence, yet you swear at me? That's not very smart.

I will explain to you how our government is still functioning without money: LIES and INFLATION

Lies: "Our Economy is thriving"

If our Economy was thriving, why are we in debt??

Inflation: Something that costed $1.00 a couple of mounths ago, now costs $1.50?

Price rises = Inflation. And you don't see the price of anything falling. Now do you?

And to refute your argument about the Transportation and such:

INFLATION. They are printing out more money than they have.

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QUOTE(Arbitrary)
I think he's saying that we're continuing to build a larger deficit (spending money that doesn't exist), which is something only governments can do.


EXACTLY!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Falcon_A on 2006-02-23 at 20:52:08
Me no gusta flamewars!

Not really getting anywhere, because both sides of this arguement have good points.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-23 at 22:21:56
Then why spam?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-23 at 23:35:58
QUOTE(Zordon @ Feb 23 2006, 05:42 PM)
EXACTLY!
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This is so laughable, yet another person relying on assumptions and conspiracy theories "O-M-G WTF HAX OUR COUNTRY IS RELYING ON LIES NOT MONEY WTF"

Read Doodan's post................

Also you never asnwered my question, if our government has no money, then where are our taxes going, what is the use of taxes??

tell me cause you still haven't answered that.

Also you swear and flame me all the time, hah hypocrite.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-02-23 at 23:45:11
While we could set up a more reliable payment plan, we are more like that annoying friend that borrowed $50 from you so he could go buy a game he wanted, but everytime he gets another $50, he spends it on another game instead of paying you back.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-24 at 00:36:12
Thats exactly what Im talking about. Its not that we don't have any money, its that we don't pay the dues enough.
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