Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-02-21 at 20:36:44
Today I found out that a shipping company that runs half a dozen ports or so out of the U.S. is being bought by Saudi Arabia. Bush approves of the deal and has said that he will veto any bill that legislature tries to pass to block it. Understandably, Republicans and Democrats alike are upset over this because they believe it could increase the risk of terrorism, but Bush has given his reassurance. He has said that he wouldn't allow the deal if he felt there was even the slightest chance that it would endanger the country.
What do you think? Is the deal that allows Saudi Arabia to manage our homeland seaports really safe? They have to conform to U.S. safety standards and so on, but is it really safe? Or is the stereotyping of Arab people causing irrational fear?
What I believe: I don't believe Bush has any real convictions. He's a figurehead (or lightening rod) that answers to the people who are really running the show, such as Cheney, and therefor just uses his Presidential powers to do their bidding. The biggest motivator for Bush's cronies is money. I don't think they'll let a little thing like safety get in the way of billions of bucks.
What do you think? Is the deal that allows Saudi Arabia to manage our homeland seaports really safe? They have to conform to U.S. safety standards and so on, but is it really safe? Or is the stereotyping of Arab people causing irrational fear?
What I believe: I don't believe Bush has any real convictions. He's a figurehead (or lightening rod) that answers to the people who are really running the show, such as Cheney, and therefor just uses his Presidential powers to do their bidding. The biggest motivator for Bush's cronies is money. I don't think they'll let a little thing like safety get in the way of billions of bucks.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-21 at 21:14:33
QUOTE(Doodan @ Feb 21 2006, 05:36 PM)
Today I found out that a shipping company that runs half a dozen ports or so out of the U.S. is being bought by Saudi Arabia. Bush approves of the deal and has said that he will veto any bill that legislature tries to pass to block it. Understandably, Republicans and Democrats alike are upset over this because they believe it could increase the risk of terrorism, but Bush has given his reassurance. He has said that he wouldn't allow the deal if he felt there was even the slightest chance that it would endanger the country.
What do you think? Is the deal that allows Saudi Arabia to manage our homeland seaports really safe? They have to conform to U.S. safety standards and so on, but is it really safe? Or is the stereotyping of Arab people causing irrational fear?
What I believe: I don't believe Bush has any real convictions. He's a figurehead (or lightening rod) that answers to the people who are really running the show, such as Cheney, and therefor just uses his Presidential powers to do their bidding. The biggest motivator for Bush's cronies is money. I don't think they'll let a little thing like safety get in the way of billions of bucks.
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What do you think? Is the deal that allows Saudi Arabia to manage our homeland seaports really safe? They have to conform to U.S. safety standards and so on, but is it really safe? Or is the stereotyping of Arab people causing irrational fear?
What I believe: I don't believe Bush has any real convictions. He's a figurehead (or lightening rod) that answers to the people who are really running the show, such as Cheney, and therefor just uses his Presidential powers to do their bidding. The biggest motivator for Bush's cronies is money. I don't think they'll let a little thing like safety get in the way of billions of bucks.
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omg shut up. A british company owned these ports and now an arabian company bought them. Tough luck for us. Thats capitalism.
If we block them from our ports, what kind of message do you think we would be sending to the middle east? It would just fuel more hatred to us.
you got to open your mind.
My personal opinion would be to block them, it is an increased security risk and I wish we weren't in this situation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-21 at 21:40:36
Oh my goodness, such arrogence.
All you did was attack Doodan, and not the debate, nimrod. Good Ad Hominem Abusive, I give you props.
I think it's a bad idea, and will cause more terrorism because they will be able to smuggle more things into the country than what already is.
I also have to agree with you about Bush being a puppet, too.
All you did was attack Doodan, and not the debate, nimrod. Good Ad Hominem Abusive, I give you props.
QUOTE(Doodan)
Today I found out that a shipping company that runs half a dozen ports or so out of the U.S. is being bought by Saudi Arabia. Bush approves of the deal and has said that he will veto any bill that legislature tries to pass to block it. Understandably, Republicans and Democrats alike are upset over this because they believe it could increase the risk of terrorism, but Bush has given his reassurance. He has said that he wouldn't allow the deal if he felt there was even the slightest chance that it would endanger the country.
What do you think? Is the deal that allows Saudi Arabia to manage our homeland seaports really safe? They have to conform to U.S. safety standards and so on, but is it really safe? Or is the stereotyping of Arab people causing irrational fear?
What I believe: I don't believe Bush has any real convictions. He's a figurehead (or lightening rod) that answers to the people who are really running the show, such as Cheney, and therefor just uses his Presidential powers to do their bidding. The biggest motivator for Bush's cronies is money. I don't think they'll let a little thing like safety get in the way of billions of bucks.
What do you think? Is the deal that allows Saudi Arabia to manage our homeland seaports really safe? They have to conform to U.S. safety standards and so on, but is it really safe? Or is the stereotyping of Arab people causing irrational fear?
What I believe: I don't believe Bush has any real convictions. He's a figurehead (or lightening rod) that answers to the people who are really running the show, such as Cheney, and therefor just uses his Presidential powers to do their bidding. The biggest motivator for Bush's cronies is money. I don't think they'll let a little thing like safety get in the way of billions of bucks.
I think it's a bad idea, and will cause more terrorism because they will be able to smuggle more things into the country than what already is.
I also have to agree with you about Bush being a puppet, too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-21 at 21:45:06
QUOTE(Zordon @ Feb 21 2006, 06:40 PM)
Oh my goodness, such arrogence.
All you did was attack Doodan, and not the debate, nimrod. Good Ad Hominem Abusive, I give you props.
I think it's a bad idea, and will cause more terrorism because they will be able to smuggle more things into the country than what already is.
I also have to agree with you about Bush being a puppet, too.
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All you did was attack Doodan, and not the debate, nimrod. Good Ad Hominem Abusive, I give you props.
QUOTE(Doodan)
Today I found out that a shipping company that runs half a dozen ports or so out of the U.S. is being bought by Saudi Arabia. Bush approves of the deal and has said that he will veto any bill that legislature tries to pass to block it. Understandably, Republicans and Democrats alike are upset over this because they believe it could increase the risk of terrorism, but Bush has given his reassurance. He has said that he wouldn't allow the deal if he felt there was even the slightest chance that it would endanger the country.
What do you think? Is the deal that allows Saudi Arabia to manage our homeland seaports really safe? They have to conform to U.S. safety standards and so on, but is it really safe? Or is the stereotyping of Arab people causing irrational fear?
What I believe: I don't believe Bush has any real convictions. He's a figurehead (or lightening rod) that answers to the people who are really running the show, such as Cheney, and therefor just uses his Presidential powers to do their bidding. The biggest motivator for Bush's cronies is money. I don't think they'll let a little thing like safety get in the way of billions of bucks.
What do you think? Is the deal that allows Saudi Arabia to manage our homeland seaports really safe? They have to conform to U.S. safety standards and so on, but is it really safe? Or is the stereotyping of Arab people causing irrational fear?
What I believe: I don't believe Bush has any real convictions. He's a figurehead (or lightening rod) that answers to the people who are really running the show, such as Cheney, and therefor just uses his Presidential powers to do their bidding. The biggest motivator for Bush's cronies is money. I don't think they'll let a little thing like safety get in the way of billions of bucks.
I think it's a bad idea, and will cause more terrorism because they will be able to smuggle more things into the country than what already is.
I also have to agree with you about Bush being a puppet, too.
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Nope, I gave my opinion on the matter, READ MORE CAREFULLY!!!!!!!!! I think this is the 3rd time I have to correct you on the matter.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-21 at 21:55:33
Getting your point accross with an Ad Hominem Abusive doesn't work, pal.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-22 at 00:41:58
QUOTE(Zordon @ Feb 21 2006, 06:55 PM)
Getting your point accross with an Ad Hominem Abusive doesn't work, pal.
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My personal opinion would be to block them, it is an increased security risk and I wish we weren't in this situation.
Yes, totally off topic.
Now on topic, I think we should close the ports to them becuase if they become hostile to us in the future, and they control those ports of ours, there will be a very big problem.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-02-22 at 00:44:59
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Feb 22 2006, 12:41 AM)
Now on topic, I think we should close the ports to them becuase if they become hostile to us in the future, and they control those ports of ours, there will be a very big problem.
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So you agree with me, then? (Except for the part about the Bush puppet thing)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-02-22 at 00:47:50
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What I believe: I don't believe Bush has any real convictions. He's a figurehead (or lightening rod) that answers to the people who are really running the show, such as Cheney, and therefor just uses his Presidential powers to do their bidding. The biggest motivator for Bush's cronies is money. I don't think they'll let a little thing like safety get in the way of billions of bucks.
Corruption up the wazoo. The smart people running this country understand we are at no great threat from terrorists, but merely manipulate the fear to subjugate the people. But if they can pick up a few bucks, sure.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-22 at 01:05:13
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Corruption up the wazoo. The smart people running this country understand we are at no great threat from terrorists, but merely manipulate the fear to subjugate the people. But if they can pick up a few bucks, sure.
You never did explain to me how anything the government has done been corrupt.
QUOTE(Doodan @ Feb 21 2006, 09:44 PM)
So you agree with me, then? (Except for the part about the Bush puppet thing)
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Yes, hes not a puppet
When your elected President there is no way your a puppet in my mind, a President is not a King, just becuase he thinks something doesn't mean Congress will.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-02-22 at 11:33:10
There's been an update! Apparently, Bush has reported that he was completely unaware of the deal to sell the ports until AFTER his administration approved it. If he's lying, he's making himself look like a fool. If he's telling the truth, then it only reaffirms what I've been saying about Bush not really being in charge. He clearly doesn't do any thinking for himself.
How can anyone POSSIBLY defend this guy? Even his staunchest allies are starting to sweat. He does not have any convictions of his own and profit comes before anything else to the real powers. Wether the choice of Saudi Arabia is safe or not, it WOULD NOT matter. It's all about the money ($6.8 billion in this case). This is your president, ladies and gentlemen.
ADDITION:
Might as well give the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11494815/
How can anyone POSSIBLY defend this guy? Even his staunchest allies are starting to sweat. He does not have any convictions of his own and profit comes before anything else to the real powers. Wether the choice of Saudi Arabia is safe or not, it WOULD NOT matter. It's all about the money ($6.8 billion in this case). This is your president, ladies and gentlemen.
ADDITION:
Might as well give the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11494815/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-22 at 13:03:23
QUOTE(Doodan @ Feb 22 2006, 08:33 AM)
There's been an update! Apparently, Bush has reported that he was completely unaware of the deal to sell the ports until AFTER his administration approved it. If he's lying, he's making himself look like a fool. If he's telling the truth, then it only reaffirms what I've been saying about Bush not really being in charge. He clearly doesn't do any thinking for himself.
How can anyone POSSIBLY defend this guy? Even his staunchest allies are starting to sweat. He does not have any convictions of his own and profit comes before anything else to the real powers. Wether the choice of Saudi Arabia is safe or not, it WOULD NOT matter. It's all about the money ($6.8 billion in this case). This is your president, ladies and gentlemen.
ADDITION:
Might as well give the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11494815/
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How can anyone POSSIBLY defend this guy? Even his staunchest allies are starting to sweat. He does not have any convictions of his own and profit comes before anything else to the real powers. Wether the choice of Saudi Arabia is safe or not, it WOULD NOT matter. It's all about the money ($6.8 billion in this case). This is your president, ladies and gentlemen.
ADDITION:
Might as well give the link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11494815/
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You haven't explained to me at all why he is a puppet. You make assumptions. Think real hard how many poeple are in an Administration. A lot. Bush is not King, he does not make all the decissions, you thought he made all the decissions then he would be a dictator.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-02-22 at 17:51:41
Accoreding to DTBK's signature, the US owes over $8 trillion to other countries. Bush needs the money quite badly simply because there will be a time in which the other countries will stop trading with the U.S. and say: "Give us our money". Terrorism doesn't come from Saudi Arabia, it's from small groups of people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-02-22 at 18:04:37
I don't see how this increases our chances for terrorism. The military still runs the ports, according to what I heard.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-22 at 18:12:14
QUOTE(BeeR_KeG @ Feb 22 2006, 02:51 PM)
Accoreding to DTBK's signature, the US owes over $8 trillion to other countries. Bush needs the money quite badly simply because there will be a time in which the other countries will stop trading with the U.S. and say: "Give us our money". Terrorism doesn't come from Saudi Arabia, it's from small groups of people.
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Americans are good for the money. Historically we have always paid our dues, correct me if Im wrong there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-02-22 at 19:34:52
QUOTE(BeeR_KeG @ Feb 22 2006, 05:51 PM)
Accoreding to DTBK's signature, the US owes over $8 trillion to other countries. Bush needs the money quite badly simply because there will be a time in which the other countries will stop trading with the U.S. and say: "Give us our money". Terrorism doesn't come from Saudi Arabia, it's from small groups of people.
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Are you saying that the fears are unjust, then? One of my questions in the first post was wether the fear was generated by Arab stereotyping and not on genuine threats.
And regarding the Bush puppet thing, I don't have PROOF that he's not really running the show. If there were proof, then there'd be no need to argue about it. However, he claims that he was "in the dark" about the deal being made. I know he's not a king, but isn't it terribly irresponsible of him to not know his own administration is making a deal of that scale without him knowing? A school principal wouldn't just say "OK" if he'd found out the rest of the staff was changing the way the buses were run and he only found out about it until after the deal was made.
SOOOOO, like I said before, either he's lying so that critics can focus their attacks on him and not the people behind the curtains, OR he was left out of the proceedings because he did not need to know at the time. But he's the president! If anyone is exempt from the "need to know" rules of government communication, it should be the president.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-22 at 21:38:00
QUOTE(Doodan @ Feb 22 2006, 04:34 PM)
Are you saying that the fears are unjust, then? One of my questions in the first post was wether the fear was generated by Arab stereotyping and not on genuine threats.
And regarding the Bush puppet thing, I don't have PROOF that he's not really running the show. If there were proof, then there'd be no need to argue about it. However, he claims that he was "in the dark" about the deal being made. I know he's not a king, but isn't it terribly irresponsible of him to not know his own administration is making a deal of that scale without him knowing? A school principal wouldn't just say "OK" if he'd found out the rest of the staff was changing the way the buses were run and he only found out about it until after the deal was made.
SOOOOO, like I said before, either he's lying so that critics can focus their attacks on him and not the people behind the curtains, OR he was left out of the proceedings because he did not need to know at the time. But he's the president! If anyone is exempt from the "need to know" rules of government communication, it should be the president.
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And regarding the Bush puppet thing, I don't have PROOF that he's not really running the show. If there were proof, then there'd be no need to argue about it. However, he claims that he was "in the dark" about the deal being made. I know he's not a king, but isn't it terribly irresponsible of him to not know his own administration is making a deal of that scale without him knowing? A school principal wouldn't just say "OK" if he'd found out the rest of the staff was changing the way the buses were run and he only found out about it until after the deal was made.
SOOOOO, like I said before, either he's lying so that critics can focus their attacks on him and not the people behind the curtains, OR he was left out of the proceedings because he did not need to know at the time. But he's the president! If anyone is exempt from the "need to know" rules of government communication, it should be the president.
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Correct me if Im wrong here but they there wasn't really a deal. A British company was bought and some people in the Bush administration took a look at the situation and said "Ok, w/e" and now people are pissed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Infested-Jerk on 2006-02-22 at 21:45:58
Uh, to the moronic statement that the americans have always paid our dues
Only president Andrew jackson kept the country Debt free for his whole term.
So that argument is gone.
Only president Andrew jackson kept the country Debt free for his whole term.
So that argument is gone.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-02-22 at 22:50:09
Let them stay, they're not doing anything illegal that I know. Like chris said, it's capitalism.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-22 at 23:55:41
QUOTE(Infested-Jerk @ Feb 22 2006, 06:45 PM)
Uh, to the moronic statement that the americans have always paid our dues
Only president Andrew jackson kept the country Debt free for his whole term.
So that argument is gone.
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Only president Andrew jackson kept the country Debt free for his whole term.
So that argument is gone.
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...... to your moronic statement.
We have always payed what we owed, but things build up.... And we pay those things and more things build up. We are still in debt, but things are still getting payed. understand now?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lyon on 2006-02-23 at 00:26:34
Here we can End this Debate right HERE, I may be a Republician but even i Think that it is a Horrible Idea to give abunch of crazy arabians (Warning : Racism) six of our Major ports. Wtf? We can all agree its a BAD IDEA. END OF STORY.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-23 at 00:42:48
agreed
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2006-02-23 at 00:48:47
QUOTE(Light_Aurora @ Feb 23 2006, 12:26 AM)
Here we can End this Debate right HERE, I may be a Republician but even i Think that it is a Horrible Idea to give abunch of crazy arabians (Warning : Racism) six of our Major ports. Wtf? We can all agree its a BAD IDEA. END OF STORY.
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It doesnt even matter who your giving the ports to eather way giving 6 major ports away is a bad idea
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-23 at 02:21:39
well its not the whole ports. Just the spot on the dock with a few equipment and ware houses I believe
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Falcon_A on 2006-02-23 at 12:40:41
Still. Odds are, they could be using it to smuggle drugs, and a lot of our military supplies are sent through these ports.
Another company, Arabian, British, or otherwise, shouldn't have control over our economy or military supplies. Even though DuGai or whatever the company is has a good record and owns many ports, why not just say no? They still hate us, and if you wanna make the middle east like us, do something ELSE, don't give them our damn ports!
Another company, Arabian, British, or otherwise, shouldn't have control over our economy or military supplies. Even though DuGai or whatever the company is has a good record and owns many ports, why not just say no? They still hate us, and if you wanna make the middle east like us, do something ELSE, don't give them our damn ports!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-23 at 12:53:39
I keep hearing new reports that nothing will really change. They won't have our military equipment (duh), our security will still be the same, everyhting they do will be monitered by us. They don;t have the WHOLE PORT, just like a 50 foot dock space.