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Apparently the day they were caught they were making a 'trial run' where they took the explosives on board but didn't detonate them, or they took fake bombs - just to see if they got away with it.

I think any hassle is worth it if it will make your life safer. They only have these restrictions in place temporarily because they think there are more suspects at large and that the terrorists might have a plan B.

It's interesting that 2 of the arrested people were recent converts to Islam. Reckon there's some sort of brainwashing going on?

To proceed with life, naturally.

It's a question of weighing up the risks and taking the necessary steps to safeguard against them. I fully support the actions of the authorities to make our lives safer (within reason).

I know you're a small-government, laissez-faire proponent, but remember I come from a country where the state is a lot more powerful than it is in the US. I think it is clear that we have ideological differences.

Remember that governments also need to cover their asses - extra security will get them criticism for overreacting, but they will be more heavily criticised if they do nothing and a terrorist attack goes ahead. You seem to have forgotten 9/11, the Madrid bombing and the July bombings in London last year. 4 major terrorist plots have been foiled in the UK in the past year.

Terrorism is still very much a threat and should not be treated lightly.

But as a government you must do all that you can to protect your people. Your right to a speedy security check point does not over rule some body's right to live.

Also in the UK, all the police have to have is reasonable suspision in order to search a home, in America it is probably cause. Which is huge, do you think the UK police would have foiled this plan if the ACLU were in Briton? I don't think so...

UK police and government has more power then the US, but they aren't a police state...

I saw a documentary where a captured terrorist told about methods they use to "brainwash" people, as you say. Note, that this is only for religious people, but if they do use it, they probably have their methods how to "brainwash" non-religiouse people - don't forget they have a lot of money...

Method (the only one that was revealed in the documentary):
-Find a religious person (Muslim)
-Turn him/her into a drug addict
-Come into their life saying: "You take drugs ? You'll go to hell for this ! The only way to be forgiven is ..."

You get the point.

Well the terrorist thread level is lowered and you can bring a 15 pound baggage on a plane now. The only thing you can't bring aboard a plane are any kind of liquids or half-liquids. You can bring all the rest like laptops and stuff, we'll I'm flying to Poland in 3 days so I'm just gona let you guys know how it was when i get there...

Have you guys learned nothing from Revenge of the Sith? The more power we give up to the government, the closer we become to an empire!

Wouldn't it actually be fairly easy to hide a bomb in a notebook case?

And Will, even though terrorism is a threat, how much are we willing to lose to guard ourselves?

No felagund it wouldn't because they have dogs sniffing that stuff and plus u have to run all the things you bring aboard trough an x-ray thing. And by the way, my last post only applies to when you're traveling to england (or europe). Because if you travel FROM england to anywhere in the world, rules are way more strict.

what i think we should do is kick every afganny who lives in U.S.A out who knows, they just could be helping out the dark lord!

Yes I believe a science fiction film, especially Star Wars to create my political opinion.

agreed?

anyone?

And even after that, we STILL have the extensive threat of...

MOTHERFREAKING SNAKES!



StarWars III was basically the halocaust and beginning of WWII, but in a science-fiction setting. Palpatine = Hitler.

Even though I hated the fact that George forced his political views in Star Wars
he did have a point about people blindly folowing a charismatic leader.

Good thing Dubya lacks Charisma. Jon Stewart, 2008.

Well of course the losses to our freedom should be limited as much as possible, and the freedoms restored once the threat has diminished.

Sure, being searched a couple of times (as I was going to the US and coming back) seems reasonable - does it really hold you up that much?

If you've got nothing to hide then you don't have anything to fear, at least in the UK and US.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we should accept temporary losses to freedom, assuming that the government is acting in the best interests of the people.

Ok so i'll tell you guys how my plane trip looked from Newark International Airport to Okecie International Aiport from NJ to Warsaw, first I gave away my luggage to the plane people and they said I can bring ANYTHING i want aboard, all kinds of liquids and foods WERE allowed, then I went to my gate and showed my passport and plane ticket to the guy at the gate, then I went trough a place where they search you, basicly all i did was take off my shoes and aboard-luggage and slid it trough the X-ray thing, than i walked trough that metal-detector thing and i got my shoes and aboard-luggage back, I brought aboard some water and after that I wasn't searched at all, i just went straight to the gate and got my ticket checked after a long wait in line and was allowed aboard the plane. So basicly it's just like it used to be before, there is no restrictions like no liquids allowed or laptops and stuff, you can bring your stuff aboard. I guess all the articles from CNN and stuff only apply to other airports then huh?

Well I think they are changing air port by air port. SEA-TAC international airport (where I live) is on heavy security.

ANYTHING? What about MOTHERFREAKING SNAKES?

How long ago was this plane ride? And maybe they're just cracking down on local flights.

Give me freedom or give me death? either way i die. i rather die with all my freedom then die with limited freedoms.

Not anymore. Where have you been? They can do "sneak 'n' peaks", plus the illegal wiretapping. I clearly remember a video of a journalist talking to the head of the CIA about the 4th amendment... guess what, the CIA director told him it is not probable cause, but reasonable cause as they see it.


You mean as Adolf promised his people the lost freedoms would be restored after the polish/communist/jewish/etc threat was gone?


Tell that to Mr. Franklin and Mr. Jefferson... there is a constitution for a reason.


Very ignorant statement there. What if they are born in the USA, doesn't that count as home country? Hell while we're at it, lets deport all them damn japs, and damn jews, and damn irish, and them damn native americans... oh wait, they were here first and we murdered them. BTW, kupo and kholdstare, you too are also ignorant in your statements or agreements.

Felagund, you are absolutely right, as well as lonely duck. The views in Star Wars, are the political views of the makers. Trying to get a messege though a movie to a wider audience then had they been speaking. I believe there are two quotes that are appropriate at the moment.



Ring a bell anyone?

I know the first one is from a comment made on a speech by Hitler, where's the second from?

Illegal wire tappings for international calls as in not domestic. And the wire tappings were to create a large archive of who is calling who internationally. They have NOT been listening in on the conversations.... UG

I clearly remember seeing a UFO in a video too

The fact is you would like to believe anything thats bad about a government, not just the USA, that you hear. Go into any police station or government office and ask them, its probable cause...

Its the same old thing man, I don't even see why I try anymore becuase its so easy to just ignore people like you. Most of the American voters have at least...

Also I think you should really take the time and read this article: Popular Mechanics

You really can't compare the USA with Nazi Germany, no matter how much you dislike the US government.

The issues are far too complex to be making such a comparison. To open a debate on this would require a new topic.