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well, the thing about these maps is that they share all of the same generic trigger systems. the only major differences are unit placement, terrain, and grid location data(which is another story into itself). so, once i finish the generic triggers for one map, i should be able to finish off the rest of them relatively quickly

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as for my mapmaking ability, i've released two helms deep maps. both had little success . i personally prefer making experimental/conceptual maps and i'm using this map as a little experiment to see how well i can manage complex trigger systems within a gaming map.

anyhow, my map making ability has increased exponentially since my helms deep days.

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anyhow jojo, did you want to be a tester? i'm like two-four hours away from the testers alpha release of the fractional reducer. its nothing special, but it'll give you a taste of the sort of trigger systems you can expect to see.

Helms Deep...you can't gain much skill from making that kind of map. My Troy map (check my sig) however boosted my mapmaking paitence hugely..the only problem with the map is it doesn't have much of a replay value because your forced into a role that becomes repetative...o well addleast I know what I did wrong. As a suggestion I think you should try every new kind of system you can think of it really works to sharpen your map making paitence and lets you advance and create better maps because of new systems.

Hey, Doom is FPS, SC is RTS. Ofcause it's unattainable.
If your gonna make a SC modification, then it's possible, but without changing the SC main appearance it will still look like RPG, not FPS. Your nuts, but good luck.

Some screenshots of what you have in mind would maybe clear my "hey it's impossible" attitude on this

"The Thing" by Blizzard team.
PS: SC is a "GAME" Doom3 is a "MAP(s)" for SC

And the difference between these terms is... nonexistent.

Man you are weird... Lets take an example lists:
Games:---Modifications:---Maps:---

StarCraft :---"Total War" by Lord_Agamemnon:---Almighty Architect by Smilodon
WarCraft :---"Dungeon Master Mod" for WC3:---(12) Heroes Valley by Venomous_Prime
HalfLife :---"Team Fortress":---Death Match Map: Black Mesa AfterMath

There is ONE game that can have many versions, expansions and MODs. Usually the mod's have their own maps. And there are many MAPs for one game, but nor many GAMEs for one MAP.

For MAP you can also say... Mission, Level etc.
GAME is also an activity, but in this context we area talking about PC GAMEs.

Before melting two different words into one check www.google.com or en.wikipedia.org. Zeratul_101, im sorry for this offtopic post, I promise this will be the last one.

yep, thats exactly what i'm using this map to do. i've plenty of experience with standalone test maps, but when it comes to making fully fledged gaming maps, my skills/experience are nil. i'm using this map to see where i can be more efficient and effective when it comes to MM.




well, i know i won't be able to create the FPS playing screen and i'm not trying to. but i'm trying to do as much as possible as possible within the limits of Starcraft.



no screenshots yet. mainly because the map hasn't been started yet. all i have are standalone maps right now. which means i'm still in the trigger system testing phase(Alpha). the alpha testing is absolutely essential because if i make even a few mistakes in a beta form of the map, i'd have to completely restart the map.

ps seeing screenshots wouldn't tell you much about this map, playing it would be a differenet story though.



ya, making it scary was a goal of mine from the very beginning. the only method i have of scary people would be through sound effects.

lol, that movie sucked ass, i'm going with the game all the way.

ya, i'll add you as an alpha/beta tester.



you found that scary? the only game that i've come close to being scared in was bolt_head's haunted mansion(?).

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Man you are weird... Lets take an example lists:
Games:---Modifications:---Maps:---

StarCraft :---"Total War" by Lord_Agamemnon:---Almighty Architect by Smilodon
WarCraft :---"Dungeon Master Mod" for WC3:---(12) Heroes Valley by Venomous_Prime
HalfLife :---"Team Fortress":---Death Match Map: Black Mesa AfterMath

There is ONE game that can have many versions, expansions and MODs. Usually the mod's have their own maps. And there are many MAPs for one game, but nor many GAMEs for one MAP.

For MAP you can also say... Mission, Level etc.
GAME is also an activity, but in this context we area talking about PC GAMEs.

My point was that the two words are all but synonymous in this community.
The word "map" literally has nothing to do with games, but we use it to imply "game" anyway.
Some people distinguish between games and levels/maps, but not usually around here.
Check them for what?

House of the Haunted.

yep, that was it. my bad lol

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also, i will HOPEFULLY come out with the fractional reducer alpha today. i got caught up with some stuff last night. the geneeral public will receive theirs in a few days. i need that time to protect it and make it interactive.

O and yea I wanna test

okay, i'm releasing the alpha FR. its still bugged but i don't have much time left. lets see if you guys can find the bug. you'll get into credits if you can find it.

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i hope i don't need to remind the testers to NOT distribute ANY of the maps.

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oh ya forgot to mention in the PM, you have to change the values by changing them in the second trigger(the uncommented one). just make sure players 1 and 3 and P2 and 5 have the same numbers.

P1 10
P3 10

P2 5
P5 5

I just remembered, I have another computer with Starcraft installed on it and a working CD ROM Drive. I'll be sure to test it. I browsed through the triggering and it looks like that arithmatic map in the Experimental Section of the Download Database. If you want me to find the bug for you, can you narrow it down for me and tell me the section of triggers it's in maybe? Or do you not even know that yourself.

Also, what are you going to use this for in-game?

ya, i don't know where the bug is. although i've found another. due to some trigger order problems, the gas may be one too high. in this case, ignore the error.

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i'm gonna make grenades bounce off walls

Oh I see, at first that is what I thought the system would be intended for but I couldn't think of a way on how this would be used. I think I know how now though.

ya, its a part of the Grid-based location calculater(look at OP), which its primary purpose is to casue grenades to bounce off walls. because it is XY-axis grid based and not mobile-grid based, it has boundaries. which are defined by counter values. by reducing the slope as much as possible, it lessens the chance of the slope trying to access a coordinate value that is over the high or low limits of the grid.

ps any testers that want more indepth information on any of the trigger systems/techniques can just ask for a personal tutorial

I know it's not a multiplayer map, but how big in size will it be ? Around 500k or 3mb per map (you spoke something about adding sounds) ?

A question: "grid based" means it's based on a ground unit grid (you create some ground units, center location, remove them) ? If it is so, won't it be disturbed by enemy units that are near ?

no, its an actaul grid, with proper X and Y axis. its a double positive grid(the one in the top right). the only grid units are on the edges.

it looks like this:



there will be units representing specific coordinates, but those will be created as necessary. the GBLC is in its fourth generation. in some of the previous generations, its had units for each specific coordinate. however, due to the unit limit, it was unapplicable.

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i honestly have no idea. i wanted to keep the sounds uncompressed for better sound quality(obviously). but when it comes times to dl(from the internet, not Bnet), its just gonna be way too much. its probly gonne be closer to 3mb(highly possibly its gonna be more)

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Zell.Dincht, Jojo., have you guys even opened up the map yet?

I've found a good way to compress files and you don't lose the sound quality. I compressed a file that was 1000 kb to just 212 kb.

okay thanks, i'll definitely be needing that for the betaphase.


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almost finshed the public version of the FR. i'll probly release mid nextweek cause i'm not gonna feel like working on it during the weekend. i've also included some modifications that will speed up the calculations.

i'm gonna attach the first release here while the DLDB approves the map.

The map is supposed to do this:

4:2 => 2:1
12:4 => 3:1
18:2 => 9:1

The first number (x) and the second number (y) are set by default in the second trigger.

x:y => x2:y2

P1 and P3 are the "X", and P2 and P5 are the "Y" (If I recall correctly).

bingo, jammed. pyro, the reason i sent it to you is becasue you're an alpha tester(aka experimental map tester).

Hello Zeratul_101, I'll test for this map