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Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-09-25 at 23:30:53
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I think everyone is taking this website too seriously.

At least someone got it right. (Well, that part. AFTER EDIT)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-09-25 at 23:38:48
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Sep 25 2006, 10:30 PM)
At least someone got it right. (Well, that part. AFTER EDIT)
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I agree.. but people are getting very frustrated with the same problems coming up over and over again...

@rexy I haven't been here either. Just began reactivating few days ago...


ANYWAYZ... Blizzard better make a comeback with SC2 so that we will have more member in SeN than compared to now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2006-09-26 at 14:01:54
Terrorism is running planes into buildings. *not* being evolutionary.

Terrorism, in retrospect, can also be called anyone who is flammitory towards anotehr person because of their beliefs, culture, faction, race, or any group they may or may not belong to.

So, in theory...
...if there would be online terrorism....

it would be you. The people who hate other people, because they're different.

In my years here, I've learned one thing from all of you, and that is that you fancy yourself open-minded, and that you fancied me rather conservative in my ways (some of you only thought this because of my religion). Well this is interesting. Conservative and Open-Minded can exist, but you, who are so quick to say that everyone should be treated fairly, the death sentence should be eliminated, Sudaam should've been tried differently in court, you who are so quick to jump on the band wagon to back up a friend...why are you persecuting someone different? This is only the internet, I think that your online maturity and your real life maturity grow at different rates, and if that's true, this site is stuck at a perpetual three year old.

And its funny, that I'm trying to say this to help you, given that in many ways I oppose starcraft, I've never mapped, and in several respects I quite sincerely hate a great deal of you. But that is no reason to hate the entire community. For a short, short time, I had authority over all of you, and ironically those who have power over me. I want you to remember that, when I was put in power, the immidiate response from the staff was not, 'get her out,' and that I resigned peacefully because I had other issues in my life as I said to the staff. Remember that in all I say, that for some time you *did* respect me, and you *did* enjoy me saying things, and I *did* like the lot of you.

How can you call yourself open-minded, yet plaster harsh generalizations and names such as terrorist on a few kids? That, sir, is the most offensive thing I have ever heard. And you have offended me, because I know someone who was killed by the terrorists hitting the WTC. And I can say this one thing, to him, the man I knew who was killed, to think that those who killed him is akin to that of a few students looking to improve a game...that...THAT is offensive. Good job, you have offended thousands of people who died too early, and you have offended those who are fighting and dying to keep you safe. I hope you realize the implications, and I want an apology.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-09-26 at 14:34:41
Why I call them terrorists?
  • They(LW) produce and spread a tool that is against everything we stand for.
  • They don't like our opposition to their OSMAP.
  • They(LW) start to terrorize opposition people on op sen channel by banning them.
  • They terrorize us with hacks multiple times.
  • They bring well aimed soap opera with flames and everything here. (LW confession)
  • They assault us by holding our domain hostage.

Anything else? sly.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-09-26 at 14:56:15
QUOTE(Dictionary.com)
ter‧ror‧ist  /ˈtɛrərɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-er-ist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
3. (formerly) a member of a political group in Russia aiming at the demoralization of the government by terror.
4. an agent or partisan of the revolutionary tribunal during the Reign of Terror in France.
–adjective
5. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of terrorism or terrorists: terrorist tactics.

I do not see how any of your reasons fall into these categories. Lets get a few other things straight too:

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* They(LW) produce and spread a tool that is against everything we stand for.

That was legacy's decision and I like his decision.
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* They don't like our opposition to their OSMAP.

How so?
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* They(LW) start to terrorize opposition people on op sen channel by banning them.

I've never seen LW ban anybody without a reason...
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* They terrorize us with hacks multiple times.

We didn't hack anybody?
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* They bring well aimed soap opera with flames and everything here. (LW confession)

There is SEN drama every day.
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* They assault us by holding our domain hostage.

I wasn't on at the time so I don't know much about this.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2006-09-26 at 15:03:25
THIS IS NOT AN OSMAP DEBATE TOPIC. THANK YOU. If it continues ill requtest this locked. Now back on topic:

Alot of people are pessimistic about this idea. I can see why, as they do pose some very hard hitting points. Those with atleast some optimism have doubts too, but let me say a few things i actually know to be true to battle.net:

B.net will always have hackers, immature people, and crappy maps. But we dont need to create a new genre of map to wow people, and we dont need to put in anti hack methods, because theyll always find a way around them. Instead we need to get back to the basics. Things that made SC fun.

My suggestions:
The newer defense maps that ive seen produced are rarely played. People like 10 ways. Lets give them new 10 ways. Im saying remake that map, with the same gameplay, but make it better. Add in units, features, cool terrain, unit name colors. Anything that wasnt there before.

Cat and mouse. Oh here we go. C&M Maps are some of the oldest most copied games ever. But most of them are just modified to be rigged, containing a "referee" of sorts. I say make a new C&M, and as above add to it. New abilitys for cats, new units for mice, add in zerg and terran as full buyable and usable races. And remember: Cats are supposed to be normal Ultralisks with NO speed upgrade. Cats are supposed to be slower then the mice.

Matrix Defenses. These specificly were great maps that were played a million times by many many people. But what i want to see is more twists, more challenges, less ways to get "Secret" minerals. Change it up, make it fun.

Turret Defense STAKT. The origional one made by Ghost[Yoon] if you oldies remember it, its barely played. But a year ago it was like DOTA on WCIII. A RM of that map, with some new content, would do great.

Trigger systems and RPGS:
The n00bs and young kids of bnet are NOT IMPRESSED NOR WANT NOR WILL USE your new complex fun and realistic trigger systems. They want to hack and slash in an RPG and thats ALL they want to do. SEN might appreciate it they wont. So what do we do with this? We give them simple gameplay. But like the above we add things. Im not saying a shuttle system is so advanced, but virtual HP is a bit much. CD is perfect example of OVER THE TOP.

So what have we learned? Stop trying to make a brand new map like nothing no ones ever seen. Chances are no one will play it and it wont be popular if they do. Go with the oldies, the basics, make another RE: Raccoon City for christ sake. But do it and do it well, and Bnet will return. Cant we all remember our days of playign mindless arena clicks and defenses and not caring that our RPG map didnt have a shuttle system? We had fun without these complex new ideas, and i say we stick to it.

Bnet is not ready for the talent some SENners have with triggers. Or some of our new ideas. But they do want new, better maps then they have right now. Hell make a nude map, but make it fun and challenging. Make it your own.

-Ex
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kame on 2006-09-26 at 15:06:12
Excuse me, but my post was not directed at OSMAP. It was at the flammatory members who call those who support it terrorists. Quite a difference. If you'd like, I'll Ctrl+C Ctrl+V it onto BeeR's topic. but that seemed pointless, especially since it was mentioned here first

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-09-26 at 15:12:40
Yea, my post wasn't directed at OSMAP, but more at DEAD calling supporters of OSMAP "terorists" which is pretty offensive. But you are right with the maps being played, if you look at them closely, they fall under Desperado's list thingy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-09-26 at 15:32:49
You people and your OSMAP. Wierdos.

SEN can't change battlenet, too many people would continue to play nudity and other terrible maps. We can release new maps, but most of them would be way too complicated (i.e, involving hotkeys) for the average SCer. The only thing we can do is continue to have fun in our private groups. And join a game hoping that the host won't ban you because your name reminds him of someone he banned recently.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-09-26 at 15:54:02
QUOTE(Urmom(U) @ Sep 26 2006, 09:55 PM)

That was legacy's decision and I like his decision.
   
How so?
   
I've never seen LW ban anybody without a reason...
   
We didn't hack anybody?
   
There is SEN drama every day.
   
I wasn't on at the time so I don't know much about this.
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That you not know anything happening around doesn't make an argument. sleep.gif

"I haven't heard; I wasn't on"

It's not my problem that you're blind.


If only you people would listen to me sometimes. I was professing everything about T faction even before the domain event. Yoshi is not the same person anymore. He has radically change since he left us. Open your eyes already. They are against us and they will strike again.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-09-26 at 16:48:53
QUOTE(DEAD @ Sep 26 2006, 03:53 PM)
That you not know anything happening around doesn't make an argument. sleep.gif

"I haven't heard; I wasn't on"

It's not my problem that you're blind.

How am I blind? The "news post" was deleted before I could read it...

And can you please spell check or at least proof read what you typed?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2006-09-26 at 16:49:02
QUOTE(Centreri @ Sep 26 2006, 02:32 PM)
You people and your OSMAP. Wierdos.

SEN can't change battlenet, too many people would continue to play nudity and other terrible maps. We can release new maps, but most of them would be way too complicated (i.e, involving hotkeys) for the average SCer. The only thing we can do is continue to have fun in our private groups. And join a game hoping that the host won't ban you because your name reminds him of someone he banned recently.
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Please read my last post. =/

-Ex
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-09-26 at 16:57:17
Nah, too long and uninteresting. No writing skill. Please summarize it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gamma on 2006-09-26 at 17:45:31
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How am I blind? The "news post" was deleted before I could read it...

I posted a summary of what it was about in the topic which you asked what it was about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-09-26 at 18:25:52
I just went to View all members posts for Yoshi, IP, and Moose and pretty much read the topic, so now im updated biggrin.gif. (deleted topics don't remove posts from the "View all members posts")
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gamma on 2006-09-26 at 18:27:27
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(deleted topics don't remove posts from the "View all members posts")

That is interesting, I didn't know that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-09-26 at 18:38:08
lol that's sad
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-09-26 at 18:41:34
QUOTE(DEAD @ Sep 26 2006, 02:34 PM)
They(LW) produce and spread a tool that is against everything we stand for.
They don't like our opposition to their OSMAP.

That's kind of logical. Why would they build it for something so big and then go "Oh, you're opposing it! COOL!"?

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They(LW) start to terrorize opposition people on op sen channel by banning them.

They've got no power there now, so that's good.

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They terrorize us with hacks multiple times.

I'd prefer "script kiddie exploits" to "hacks". It can't be proven that it was connected to them, as well.

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They assault us by holding our domain hostage.

We have that too, so why worry?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gamma on 2006-09-26 at 18:42:54
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They terrorize us with hacks multiple times.


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I'd prefer "script kiddie exploits" to "hacks". It can't be proven that it was connected to them, as well.

He generalized Devilesk and his friend to be part of "them".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-09-26 at 18:46:53
It can't be proved it was Devilesk or one of his "friends" either. If anything, Devilesk is a perfect scapegoat.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)Excalibur on 2006-09-26 at 19:36:15
QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Sep 26 2006, 05:46 PM)
It can't be proved it was Devilesk or one of his "friends" either. If anything, Devilesk is a perfect scapegoat.
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Exactly. Moose are you sure theres no way to link them to it? Doesnt the Admin CP log the IP of the person when they make an action? I know my invision free got right around proxies to the straight IP.

-Ex
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-09-26 at 19:38:29
Devilesk isn't even a script kiddie tongue.gif Definatly not devilesk.. but I'm pretty sure devilesk had a good idea of who it was, I don't remember the name... I'll look through my AIM logs..
Probably some bad language, may or may not be filtered... I'm not sure if the whole convo is important, but the beginning is the most important..


devilesk (1:49:35 PM): sup death
OMG ITS SEANB (1:49:40 PM): .
OMG ITS SEANB (1:49:41 PM): h
OMG ITS SEANB (1:49:42 PM): i
devilesk (1:49:45 PM): rofl i just heard
devilesk (1:49:47 PM): about what happened to SEN
OMG ITS SEANB (1:49:52 PM): Cool.
devilesk (1:50:00 PM): you know
OMG ITS SEANB (1:50:02 PM): UR RLY GOOD HAXOR
OMG ITS SEANB (1:50:04 PM): UR HARCCORE MAN
devilesk (1:50:06 PM): ya
OMG ITS SEANB (1:50:14 PM): I was making fun of you..
devilesk (1:50:17 PM): rofl ya
OMG ITS SEANB (1:50:19 PM): LoL!
OMG ITS SEANB (1:50:31 PM): Godhatesme282 (1:50:22 PM): tell him to try to IM me
OMG ITS SEANB (1:50:36 PM): numb wants you to IM him
devilesk (1:50:40 PM): um
devilesk (1:50:41 PM): i can't?
OMG ITS SEANB (1:50:47 PM): I see
OMG ITS SEANB (1:50:54 PM): He doesn't know how to unblock people.
OMG ITS SEANB (1:51:00 PM): Anyway you know what's funny
devilesk (1:51:04 PM): what
OMG ITS SEANB (1:51:06 PM): How you can't hack for crap!!!!
OMG ITS SEANB (1:51:07 PM): LoL!
devilesk (1:51:12 PM): i know!
devilesk (1:51:15 PM): you know whats a dead giveaway
devilesk (1:51:17 PM): -Devilesk
OMG ITS SEANB (1:51:19 PM): I know
devilesk (1:51:21 PM): the thing at the end
OMG ITS SEANB (1:51:21 PM): It's devilesk
OMG ITS SEANB (1:51:22 PM): LoL

devilesk (1:51:23 PM): i know
devilesk (1:51:27 PM): when do these freaktards learn
OMG ITS SEANB (1:51:27 PM): so wait
OMG ITS SEANB (1:51:29 PM): do your friends
OMG ITS SEANB (1:51:33 PM): did your friends do it
devilesk (1:51:36 PM): idk
devilesk (1:51:38 PM): i think it's
devilesk (1:51:39 PM): wetzer
devilesk (1:51:46 PM): he's some hacker who came into op SEN one day
devilesk (1:51:48 PM): hacking shocko
devilesk (1:51:50 PM): and he's all like
OMG ITS SEANB (1:51:56 PM): I see
devilesk (1:51:57 PM): shh tell these people devilesk did it
OMG ITS SEANB (1:52:04 PM): I see
OMG ITS SEANB (1:52:08 PM): Maybe I should post up
OMG ITS SEANB (1:52:11 PM): this
devilesk (1:52:12 PM): i had no clue
OMG ITS SEANB (1:52:12 PM): to SEN smile.gif
devilesk (1:52:15 PM): what was going on
devilesk (1:52:16 PM): :-)
devilesk (1:52:19 PM): and i dont care
devilesk (1:52:21 PM): and i think its hilarious
OMG ITS SEANB (1:52:28 PM): LoL!!!!!
OMG ITS SEANB (1:52:38 PM): go on sc and message the name "isnumb"
devilesk (1:52:42 PM): k
devilesk (1:52:46 PM): wait
devilesk (1:52:49 PM): dont say it's not me yet
devilesk (1:52:53 PM): let them think it's me
OMG ITS SEANB (1:52:54 PM): no
devilesk (1:52:54 PM): its fun
devilesk (1:52:56 PM): :-(
OMG ITS SEANB (1:52:57 PM): I don't care
OMG ITS SEANB (1:53:01 PM): LoL!
OMG ITS SEANB (1:53:01 PM): k
devilesk (1:53:05 PM): its fun
devilesk (1:53:07 PM): they always blame me
devilesk (1:53:11 PM): lame nerds
OMG ITS SEANB (1:53:12 PM): well..
OMG ITS SEANB (1:53:14 PM): it said
devilesk (1:53:15 PM): they are like
OMG ITS SEANB (1:53:16 PM): -Devilesk
devilesk (1:53:17 PM): IT MUST BE REVENGE
devilesk (1:53:21 PM): OMG HE HAS A GRUDGE
devilesk (1:53:23 PM): rofl rofl
OMG ITS SEANB (1:53:26 PM): k stop talking
devilesk (1:53:50 PM): either it's wetzer
devilesk (1:53:58 PM): or LW went oldschool on SEN
OMG ITS SEANB (1:54:25 PM): LoL
devilesk (1:54:35 PM): i don't think LW would go that far though
OMG ITS SEANB (1:54:44 PM): k
devilesk (1:55:17 PM): lol
devilesk (1:55:19 PM): some people are so dumb
devilesk (1:55:20 PM): "I'm so ticked off. He banned and stripped me of almost 7k mins. I hate Devilesk.. -.-. What did i ever do to him.."
OMG ITS SEANB (1:55:28 PM): I don't know who
OMG ITS SEANB (1:55:32 PM): that is
devilesk (1:55:36 PM): population
OMG ITS SEANB (1:55:38 PM): .
OMG ITS SEANB (1:55:39 PM): I know that
OMG ITS SEANB (1:55:43 PM): but who is that
devilesk (1:55:44 PM): yea
devilesk (1:55:46 PM): i know right?
devilesk (1:55:49 PM): rofl that makes it even funnier
OMG ITS SEANB (1:55:52 PM): no
OMG ITS SEANB (1:55:54 PM): it's a double account
OMG ITS SEANB (1:55:55 PM): LoL
devilesk (1:56:11 PM): i dont only have good friends
devilesk (1:56:14 PM): i have good strangers!
devilesk (1:56:15 PM): lololol!
OMG ITS SEANB (1:56:19 PM): Uhhh
OMG ITS SEANB (1:56:20 PM): huh?
devilesk (1:56:26 PM): cuz wetzer isn't my "friend"
devilesk (1:56:40 PM): i really don't know who he is
OMG ITS SEANB (1:56:48 PM): i see
devilesk (1:57:09 PM): rofl
devilesk (1:57:16 PM): You guys know that Devilesk is just one of those poor losers in real life that thinks he can be a big man on the internet, right?
OMG ITS SEANB (1:57:22 PM): Voyager?
OMG ITS SEANB (1:57:23 PM): LoL
devilesk (1:57:26 PM): felagund
OMG ITS SEANB (1:57:27 PM): oh
OMG ITS SEANB (1:57:30 PM): well...
OMG ITS SEANB (1:57:32 PM): It's pretty true
devilesk (1:57:32 PM): these people ARE morons
OMG ITS SEANB (1:57:33 PM): LoL
OMG ITS SEANB (1:57:36 PM): na
devilesk (1:57:37 PM): yes
OMG ITS SEANB (1:57:39 PM): felagund is smart
devilesk (1:57:45 PM): yea thats y
OMG ITS SEANB (1:57:46 PM): and I mean
devilesk (1:57:46 PM): he thinks its me
OMG ITS SEANB (1:57:50 PM): so?
OMG ITS SEANB (1:57:52 PM): it says "devilesk"
devilesk (1:57:53 PM): gg
devilesk (1:57:56 PM): oh wow
devilesk (1:57:58 PM): anyone can do that
OMG ITS SEANB (1:58:01 PM): well
devilesk (1:58:02 PM): there's no actual PROOF
devilesk (1:58:08 PM): he could have signed -George Bush
OMG ITS SEANB (1:58:09 PM): we are sort of inclined to
devilesk (1:58:12 PM): doesn't mean jack
OMG ITS SEANB (1:58:12 PM): believe such a thing
devilesk (1:58:13 PM): i know
OMG ITS SEANB (1:58:15 PM): no devilesk
devilesk (1:58:15 PM): but u see
devilesk (1:58:18 PM): they chose me
OMG ITS SEANB (1:58:19 PM): you doing this is logical
devilesk (1:58:20 PM): because im the perfect
OMG ITS SEANB (1:58:21 PM): reasonable
devilesk (1:58:21 PM): candidate
devilesk (1:58:28 PM): exactly thats y the hacker used my name
devilesk (1:58:31 PM): because it fits the best
OMG ITS SEANB (1:58:33 PM): LoL
OMG ITS SEANB (1:58:36 PM): NeWaiZ
devilesk (1:58:37 PM): people will automatically think
OMG ITS SEANB (1:58:38 PM): I posted it up
OMG ITS SEANB (1:58:38 PM): LoL
devilesk (1:58:40 PM): OH YEA HE WAS BANNED!
OMG ITS SEANB (1:58:42 PM): in the null 4rum
devilesk (2:00:31 PM): rofl thats awesome
OMG ITS SEANB (2:00:38 PM): what is
OMG ITS SEANB (2:00:39 PM): Me?
OMG ITS SEANB (2:00:40 PM): LoL
OMG ITS SEANB (2:00:43 PM): i didn't edit it out
devilesk (2:00:43 PM): you and
devilesk (2:00:44 PM): posting that convo
OMG ITS SEANB (2:00:47 PM): it's 100% live uncut
OMG ITS SEANB (2:00:48 PM): ez
devilesk (2:00:49 PM): yea
devilesk (2:00:52 PM): people will read that
devilesk (2:00:54 PM): it's a perfect
OMG ITS SEANB (2:00:56 PM): LoL
devilesk (2:01:00 PM): conversation
OMG ITS SEANB (2:01:18 PM): DaYuM
OMG ITS SEANB (2:01:25 PM): Furthermore, if yesterday's backup will be used, any posts made since then will disappear (including any future posts). Keep that in mind.
devilesk (2:01:31 PM): lol
OMG ITS SEANB (2:01:41 PM): dats gai
OMG ITS SEANB (2:01:44 PM): I had many many posts.
devilesk (2:03:33 PM): ya female dog what now
devilesk (2:03:40 PM): probably gai other forum posts
devilesk (2:03:44 PM): with ur null crap
OMG ITS SEANB (2:04:11 PM): HuH?
OMG ITS SEANB (2:04:28 PM): Are you saying I do not post in Staredit Freelancers?
OMG ITS SEANB (2:04:30 PM): And Terrain?
OMG ITS SEANB (2:04:32 PM): And Modding?
OMG ITS SEANB (2:04:35 PM): LoL!
devilesk (2:05:12 PM): im saying
devilesk (2:05:17 PM): who cares if a days worth of posts
devilesk (2:05:18 PM): are gone
devilesk (2:05:18 PM): :-)
OMG ITS SEANB (2:05:29 PM): I don't
OMG ITS SEANB (2:05:32 PM): it's a jokzzzz
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-09-26 at 20:31:41
Talk about timing with a recent PM beforehand, I wonder if Moose read it...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-09-27 at 06:58:49
DH, that doesn't prove anything.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-09-27 at 07:19:15
Well, his guess is better than my guess. I mean, I know it's not devilesk, but hey, I had no clue of any "wetzer" guy up until devilesk told me about him, maybe somebody else knows something about him?
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