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Report, edit, etc...Posted by feiteng on 2004-08-19 at 13:17:06
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Revalade, your one of the people i scoff at  . This planet ISNT TOO COLD OR TOO HOT. Its not JUST RIGHT. You see, if this planet was COLDER, we would have evolved to survive and flourish in it. If it was any hotter, we would adapt and evolve to survive and flourish. Its not a coincedence that the planet is just too hot, we just adapted to survive is temprature 

Not really, If it were 1million degrees we would burn up no matter how fast we adapt. We have a atmosphere, to regulate the tempreture. You can't say that if it were -700 degrees we can adapt. If it were that way why isn't there life on pluto. According to evolution it takes generations beyond generations to adapt, so if the temperature suddenly change drastically we would all die. An intresting thing to note, Charles Darwin also believed in creation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2004-08-19 at 15:10:12
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Revalade, your one of the people i scoff atĀ  . This planet ISNT TOO COLD OR TOO HOT. Its not JUST RIGHT. You see, if this planet was COLDER, we would have evolved to survive and flourish in it. If it was any hotter, we would adapt and evolve to survive and flourish. Its not a coincedence that the planet is just too hot, we just adapted to survive is tempratureĀ 

Not really, If it were 1million degrees we would burn up no matter how fast we adapt. We have a atmosphere, to regulate the tempreture. You can't say that if it were -700 degrees we can adapt. If it were that way why isn't there life on pluto. According to evolution it takes generations beyond generations to adapt, so if the temperature suddenly change drastically we would all die. An intresting thing to note, Charles Darwin also believed in creation.

of course feiteng, but would life ever have a chance to appear on pluto or mercury? He is taking into account which planet have life already appeared on it. Not those which is just impossible to have life to ever appear.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-08-19 at 16:24:31
QUOTE(feiteng @ Aug 19 2004, 12:17 PM)
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Revalade, your one of the people i scoff at  . This planet ISNT TOO COLD OR TOO HOT. Its not JUST RIGHT. You see, if this planet was COLDER, we would have evolved to survive and flourish in it. If it was any hotter, we would adapt and evolve to survive and flourish. Its not a coincedence that the planet is just too hot, we just adapted to survive is temprature 

Not really, If it were 1million degrees we would burn up no matter how fast we adapt. We have a atmosphere, to regulate the tempreture. You can't say that if it were -700 degrees we can adapt. If it were that way why isn't there life on pluto. According to evolution it takes generations beyond generations to adapt, so if the temperature suddenly change drastically we would all die. An intresting thing to note, Charles Darwin also believed in creation.

first, it is VERY possible for life to survive at 1million degrees IF the mutated strains occurs at exactly the correct time with the change in temperature. it's impossible of course that it will be 100 today and 1million tommorow (unless we fall in a star, in which case we would die) so the increase would be slow. ever wonder why you slowly raise the temperature when checking the water instead of turning it hot? because your hand will get used to it. same thing for cold.

also, stop with charles darwin, we know, you know. however, if one person said something (even if he is smart) he is NOT ALWAYS right. if eistein told you to jump off a cliff to get a million dollars would you? of course not. charles darwin ( really smart guy) may believe in creation, but I still think it's absurd. (<----- laff big word)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-08-20 at 01:31:09
I thought there was a thread exactly like this not too long ago...

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I agree with Mini Moose. Why do people worry about where they came from anyways? Now that I think about it, it makes no sense why anyone would care. Same with the universe. who cares how big it is? We will never explore all of it because it is infinity...


Because people are insecure, people feel lost without some sort of anchor no matter what it may be. We want to know where we cam from because they want to confirm or deny what really happened way back then. Then its simple human curiosity, I think the most exciting thing to ever know would be to know how "everything" all of this began where it all came from...

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Does it really matter? I don't think we're here to contemplate our origins, we're here to live. :/


If we dont know our orgins we can not move ahead.

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I guess it's human nature to desire security.


Exactly thats why humans are naturally sociall creatures.

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Intelligent Design makes more sense to me then the "Big Bang" theory which ironically violates many laws of science.


which laws does this violate, note most of these "broken laws" have already been explained. Besides the Big bang is probaly the most commonly accepted theory among scientist next to string theory.

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You all should consider yourselves lucky, we are on the ONE planet that has life, not too cold or hot, we live in AMERICA, not China where people are oppressed, and we all have computers where some people don't.


you nor does anyone else on this planet know that we are the only planet with life. According to the law of big numbers there has to be at least one other planet out there in the trillions upon trillions of them with life on it.

To the 1million degree thing, no matter how adaptive carbon based life here on earth could never survive. Its quite simple when an atom or cell gets energy (heat) it can only hold so much and the rest is expelled even if evolution was pushed to its peak in this case the cell could still only take in so much energy. After that the cell would explode under the tremendous amounts of energy.


Single cell life has been around since the first geologic activity (ie the first rocks). After that for maybe a billion more likely less years life exploded. We went from multicellular life to sponges in an incredibly short time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2004-08-20 at 10:48:05
If all the matter in the universe is pulled together it will eventually all gather in the same place. All of the matter in the universe in one spot would create extreme gravity and would crush all matter into a small area, and it would then explode outward fast enough to fill the whole universe with matter. (big bang theory)

It would transform most things back into their basic structures and send them spinning around eachother, new planets, stars and systems would be formed. It would be the creation of a new universe.
If this happens it would be a cycle that happens over extremely long periods of time. Eventually all of the matter in the current universe will pile together and the same thing will happen again. The only thing that could survive something like this is something that just cant be killed, like God. (If thats what you belive in)
He would probably have to re-make life each time it happens if everything dies. So i guess if he messes up theres always a next time for him.

But I dont belive in god, its silly. I think life can be created by random chance. Heat and water can make random life generation more common, and thats how life got started on this world and not on any of the other planets in the Solar system, because of the lack of water on other planets.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-08-20 at 11:01:07
I think something really weird: The First Human kind was living on mars, until one day something happened, and only few of the human have survived enough to bring something on the planet, Virus or a bactaria(hum im not sure it's writed like that) That grown... well we are going to find out more about Mars in few year's...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2004-08-20 at 11:21:43
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I think something really weird: The First Human kind was living on mars, until one day something happened, and only few of the human have survived enough to bring something on the planet, Virus or a bactaria(hum im not sure it's writed like that) That grown... well we are going to find out more about Mars in few year's...


That dosent really cover the topic. Even if life were first on mars before earth how did it get there? "How did life start?" not where did life come from before it was on earth
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-08-20 at 17:20:43
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If this happens it would be a cycle that happens over extremely long periods of time. Eventually all of the matter in the current universe will pile together and the same thing will happen again. The only thing that could survive something like this is something that just cant be killed, like God. (If thats what you belive in)
He would probably have to re-make life each time it happens if everything dies. So i guess if he messes up theres always a next time for him.


Its highly doubful the universe will come back together (Big Crunch). Currently most cosmologists believe the universe is expanding because or dark matter.

Well Kenoli I think he is referring to the theory that mars was hit by some large object (very large) and the resulting crash sent microorganisms and the chunks of mars surface to earth. Though this is highly unlikely because any object that enters the atmosphere easily heats up well into a few thousand degrees. So anything alive or frozen on the rocks would be dead upon entering the earths atmosphere.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by mianmian on 2004-08-20 at 18:43:38
Well id have to say I believe in evolution cause im not very religious. not atheist or anything just i put science first
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2004-08-20 at 19:54:26
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Currently most cosmologists believe the universe is expanding because or dark matter.

Dark matter? i have no clue about that, ive never heard about it before.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by StarEditron 4000 on 2004-08-20 at 20:45:54
I'd have to say God because if the big bang did create the universe, then life, what are we supposed to do when we die? With religion, and the belief in God, we may have an afterlife. So i say God created life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-08-20 at 20:50:30
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I'd have to say God because if the big bang did create the universe, then life, what are we supposed to do when we die? With religion, and the belief in God, we may have an afterlife. So i say God created life.

...believing in religion doesn't "raise" your "chance" on gaining an "afterlife". you will have one or you won't.

now if you think logically as to what controls your body, you won't have one because you are dead, non functioning.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2004-08-20 at 20:58:31
When your dead your dead. All the systems of your body stop working and...well....your dead, end of story. (obviously i dont belive in the afterlife)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-08-21 at 01:58:10
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Dark matter? i have no clue about that, ive never heard about it before.


Dark matter is invisible matter that contains a lot of energy. It is also about 90% of the universe.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Revelade on 2004-08-21 at 07:52:36
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Revalade, your one of the people i scoff at  angry.gif . This planet ISNT TOO COLD OR TOO HOT. Its not JUST RIGHT. You see, if this planet was COLDER, we would have evolved to survive and flourish in it. If it was any hotter, we would adapt and evolve to survive and flourish. Its not a coincedence that the planet is just too hot, we just adapted to survive is temprature

Even if we did adapt we might not have the same brain size, hand size, who knows what would have changed.

It was just right in the sense that WATER formed. Look at Mars, do you see water? Do you see life? No its too cold. Look at Mercury, do you see water? Do you see life? No its too HOT. We wouldn't have the ability to adapt or EVEN EXIST if the temperature was not right for WATER to form...

And you're one of the people I point and laugh at.

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Your whole post lost it's credibility after you said the word "probably" after that you started making stuff up... This is serious discussion not storytime.

You're arguing with me over theories... I rest my case.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-08-21 at 11:37:24
I thought there was ice on mars.... ohmy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Helios on 2004-08-21 at 14:00:54
Revelade water (H20) is not a requirment for life to develop. Its just that because water did happen to formulate on earth that everything on planet earth needs it. There are a number of other chemical compounds life could have developed under.

Yes there is ice on mars but that doesnt mean that ice is water. That ice could just be frozen carbon dioxide.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Clokr_ on 2004-08-21 at 14:23:57
I dont believe you all!!! The life started when ET came and said "My house..." and puff! the life began.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shmeeps on 2004-08-21 at 15:38:51
I believe that God created us to help us, he made us to evolve into what we are today, evolve into better beings. He made us first with what we needed to survive, and lets us help ourselves get better.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2004-08-21 at 16:58:40
Life didn't begin until I was born happy.gif j/k. I think the universe was just always there and the main nebula collapsed onto itself and then particles started coming together. Then after a while bacteria formulated into plants and animals, and we evolved from monkeys.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-08-21 at 17:05:02
gah..when will people understand this? we didn't evolve from ANYTHING that exists today. if you say we evolved from gorillas, then you are stupid. we came from a pre human species called something that i have no idea what is called because i didn't do any research yet. thats all i have to say. smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2004-08-21 at 17:06:22
Cheeze by monkeys I meant like the ancestors of monkeys!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2004-08-21 at 17:14:26
We was created because someone wanted somerace to make beer for him!
Lol j/k
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NerdyTerdy on 2004-08-21 at 17:21:22
Beer that post was useless I think you just wanted minerals smile.gif.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2004-08-21 at 17:28:33
Nah, I just wanted to have a good laugh.
Anyways it's scientifically proven how we evolved.
Also it's scientifically proven that the universe started like 12billion years ago(not sure how many years).

The big question is: How did it all start? What was before the Big Bang?
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